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Sep 7, 2019 12:20:15   #
Longshadow Loc: Audubon, PA, United States
 
LFingar wrote:
However simplified the explanation I received from Sandisk was all that really matters is that out of all the manufacturers Canon does things a bit differently. Canon recommends a Low Format in camera to restore full write speed. It works, but, unless a Canon user is shooting video or long, high speed bursts they are unlikely to notice any difference. The details aren't important, only the results. The OP pointed out the results and I pointed out that it is a standard Canon procedure. If the rest of you want to impress each other with your knowledge of SD cards, so be it. The only thing that matters to me, and probably most Canon owners, is that the procedure exists and that it works.
However simplified the explanation I received from... (show quote)


I guess we computer/component geeks just appreciate lots of manufacturer's info for the operational details.

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Sep 7, 2019 12:31:24   #
TriX Loc: Raleigh, NC
 
Longshadow wrote:

I guess we computer/component geeks just appreciate lots of manufacturer's info for the operational details.


👍👍 in our defense, I will just add that I don’t think anyone is trying to impress anyone else - we just want to understand how it actually works. No need for anyone to read past the first couple of posts if they’re just interested in the results, BUT I will add that without techno geeks, there wouldn’t be any DSLRs or computers to render the images or host this thread.

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Sep 7, 2019 12:35:55   #
Longshadow Loc: Audubon, PA, United States
 
TriX wrote:
👍👍 in our defense, I will just add that I don’t think anyone is trying to impress anyone else - we just want to understand how it actually works. No need for anyone to read past the first couple of posts if they’re just interested in the results, BUT I will add that without techno geeks, there wouldn’t be any DSLRs or computers to render the images or host this thread.


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Sep 7, 2019 12:49:47   #
Dngallagher Loc: Wilmington De.
 
dleebrick wrote:
My 128GB San Disk Pro was finally about full of mostly RAW images, so I made sure that I had transferred everything I wanted and reformatted the card in my CANON 80D, using the standard formatting option. I then shot several hundred images in the 80D. It seemed to me that the write speed to the card had degraded somewhat. It occurred to me that maybe I should have done a Low Level format, which deletes all information and data on the card, vs just the normal formatting which simply resets the file system.
So to test this hypothesis, I formatted the card again in the 80D, selected high shutter rate and set the camera to Manual. Holding the shutter down, I got 25 exposures before the buffer filled and the write speed slowed to a crawl. Then, I reformatted the card using the low level formatting option, everything else being the same, and held the shutter down until writing slowed to a crawl. This time I got 32 exposures before the buffer filled and the write speed slowed to a crawl.
So, this little experiment tells me that if you want to get the most out of a top tier high write speed SD card, you should do low level formatting rather than the quick and dirty standard in-camera formatting.
Has anyone else seen this effect?
My 128GB San Disk Pro was finally about full of mo... (show quote)


FWIW - I always low level format my SD card in my 80D after transferring my raw images to computer.

Have not had an issue.

I also do not use cards larger than 32 GB. I used a 64 GB card in my Nikon D7100 awhile back and the card failed (PNY) Luckily I had already transferred all the images already and lost nothing but the card.

My thought now is use 32 GB or 16 GB cards - if they fail it minimizes what is lost.

I also transfer images soon after the shoot, not waiting for the card to be full.

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Sep 7, 2019 13:12:25   #
Jack 13088 Loc: Central NY
 
In our defense you would think 42 years with a defense contractor we would have had enough of that stuff. But it turns out that after a dozen years of retirement we still like understanding the truth behind these simple functions. Only now we don’t have access to say the reliability guys to set us straight.

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Sep 7, 2019 13:13:55   #
rebride
 
Might want to check this out -

https://www.sdcard.org/downloads/formatter/

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Sep 7, 2019 13:57:58   #
Longshadow Loc: Audubon, PA, United States
 
Jack 13088 wrote:
In our defense you would think 42 years with a defense contractor we would have had enough of that stuff. But it turns out that after a dozen years of retirement we still like understanding the truth behind these simple functions. Only now we don’t have access to say the reliability guys to set us straight.


Yup, very much so.
(Even the Motorola rep I dealt with a lot is retired....)

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Sep 7, 2019 13:58:22   #
johngault007 Loc: Florida Panhandle
 
Longshadow wrote:
Found a data sheet link for a smaller card if anyone is interested in looking at it. Will take a bit to peruse as it is about 113 pages.
Dang, can't get the link in here.
Will post pdf???


Awesome post!!! I just woke up from a long night around the beaches trying to get some photos to find this. I am still trying to read it with my coffee, but all the follow-on posts are great.


But, as stated above, I am one of those that do not shoot video or burst shots with my T7i, so I am in the camp of never formatting and probably won't see that degradation of speed. But if I do move into either of those, I'll keep this in mind for sure!

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Sep 7, 2019 15:00:07   #
nadelewitz Loc: Ithaca NY
 
Scruples wrote:
I have never seen this effect. For a simple reason. I don't format my memory cards when full. I had a bad experience years ago and that has jaded me. I had a 4GB Card and filled it completely. I tried to transfer the files. I though I did and then format the card to be used again. They were expensive back then. I didn't do a complete transfer and lost all of my photos.
From then on, I have never formatted a card and when filled, I transfer the photos to my external hard drive. Then I label the card and store it away for future review of the original.
As for a decay in write speed this is a defect that the manufacturer should be made aware of. The presence of a file should not interfere with another file being written unto it. There may be a damaged pin which becomes more noticeable with each format or the memory card may need to be defragmented. If you format your memory cards do it carefully and according to the camera manufacturer's directions and card manufacturer's instructions. Play it safe and don't format your memory cards at all.
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"Don't format memory cards at all, ever" is just plain ridiculous.

If you didn't get everything copied/moved from a memory card before you formatted it, that's not the card's fault. It's yours. Why don't you check what got onto the external hard drive first?

If you want to save your photos on memory cards forever, fine. But don't make it out like that's the only way to be sure you don't lose anything! Memory cards can get lost, damaged or corrupted just like any other storage media. Multiple backups is always the safeguard.

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Sep 7, 2019 15:06:34   #
LFingar Loc: Claverack, NY
 
Longshadow wrote:

I guess we computer/component geeks just appreciate lots of manufacturer's info for the operational details.


I understand your point. I used to be a computer/component geek. Building computers and exploring every aspect of them was a lot of fun. Now days I consider computers and related technology merely a necessary part of life. I have no interest in the technology so my point of view is, of course, different then yours. Even a camera is nothing more then a computer with a big eye in the middle of its forehead. I would have no interest in them if it wasn't for what that big eye can do.

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Sep 7, 2019 15:06:52   #
dleebrick Loc: Indian Land, South Carolina
 
Dngallagher wrote:
FWIW - I always low level format my SD card in my 80D after transferring my raw images to computer.

Have not had an issue.

I also do not use cards larger than 32 GB. I used a 64 GB card in my Nikon D7100 awhile back and the card failed (PNY) Luckily I had already transferred all the images already and lost nothing but the card.

My thought now is use 32 GB or 16 GB cards - if they fail it minimizes what is lost.

I also transfer images soon after the shoot, not waiting for the card to be full.
FWIW - I always low level format my SD card in my ... (show quote)

I agree. 32GB is risky enough. This 128GB was given to me as a gift, and I appreciate the thought.

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Sep 7, 2019 15:29:59   #
Ed Chu Loc: Las Vegas NV
 
dleebrick wrote:
I agree. 32GB is risky enough. This 128GB was given to me as a gift, and I appreciate the thought.


which is why I have cameras with dual card slots

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Sep 7, 2019 15:41:10   #
BudsOwl Loc: Upstate NY and New England
 
No reason to overthink this. I just do a low level format on every card after I have uploaded the photos to my computer and verified that they are all there.
Bud

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Sep 7, 2019 15:59:55   #
Longshadow Loc: Audubon, PA, United States
 
LFingar wrote:
I understand your point. I used to be a computer/component geek. Building computers and exploring every aspect of them was a lot of fun. Now days I consider computers and related technology merely a necessary part of life. I have no interest in the technology so my point of view is, of course, different then yours. Even a camera is nothing more then a computer with a big eye in the middle of its forehead. I would have no interest in them if it wasn't for what that big eye can do.

I can appreciate that.
I'm more of an end user now than I used to be.
Only working in HTML, PHP, CSS, and a little Java Script.
I do miss developing dBase applications though, it was fun.
I can't get completely rid of it, it's too much in my blood.

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Sep 7, 2019 16:57:10   #
Jimmy T Loc: Virginia
 
LFingar wrote:
However simplified the explanation I received from Sandisk was all that really matters is that out of all the manufacturers Canon does things a bit differently. Canon recommends a Low Format in camera to restore full write speed. It works, but, unless a Canon user is shooting video or long, high speed bursts they are unlikely to notice any difference. The details aren't important, only the results. The OP pointed out the results and I pointed out that it is a standard Canon procedure. If the rest of you want to impress each other with your knowledge of SD cards, so be it. The only thing that matters to me, and probably most Canon owners, is that the procedure exists and that it works.
However simplified the explanation I received from... (show quote)


I couldn't have said it better!
Smile,
Jimmy T Sends

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