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Aug 29, 2019 06:47:23   #
Notorious T.O.D. Loc: Harrisburg, North Carolina
 
I would be careful with a f/1.2 or f/1.4 lens because the DOF can be extremely narrow. Especially if shooting more than one person. Some playing with a DOF calculator app can give you an idea of DOF at different apertures, focal lengths and distances to subject.

I would lean towards some fill flash if needed and possible.

TriX wrote:
Hard to go wrong with the classic 24-70 f2.8L (one of the “holy trinity” of lenses), but if you find you need more speed, there’s the EF 35 f2, the 50 F1.4 or f1.8 and the 85 f1.8, all of which are reasonably priced and will give you another stop or more in speed (you can buy all three for the price of the 24-70). If you’re feeling more well heeled, there’s an f1.2 or f1.4 “L” version of each. I’ve used the 85 f1.8 for indoor weddings and small groups many times, and at <$350, it’s fast, sharp and a bargain. I took my 5D3 and a 24-105 f4L to my son’s wedding (which was professionally shot) which was a fairly well lighted indoor venue, but no flash allowed and it took me about 2 minutes to run out to the car and swap it for the 85, which allowed me to shoot at the SS and ISO I wanted in available light.
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Aug 29, 2019 07:04:55   #
Gene51 Loc: Yonkers, NY, now in LSD (LowerSlowerDelaware)
 
Resqu2 wrote:
Last weekend I saw a 5k mud/obstacle race and took my camera just to be doing something, I was at the finish line catching runners cross when the director of the event came up and gave me her card and ask for the photos, seemed real upset with her Photographer, said he was suppose to be covering that area but he was off playing with his drone.

That night I sent her the pics and she seemed to really like them and ask if I was available to cover a Gala there doing. Now for the question, it’s a late evening, indoor event and the location has dim lighting for these events. I only have a 24-105 f/4 lens and a 70-200 f/2.8. I think the 70-200 will be to long and I don’t think my 24-105 would be good with the lighting with it being an f/4. I’m considering renting or just going ahead and purchasing a 24-70 f/2.8. Flash and setting up lights isn’t an option here. Do y’all agree or do y’all think my 24-105 would handle it?

I usually do all my work outdoors and with natural light but I don’t want my equipment to limit me. I’m shooting with a Canon 5D mark iv. I have done indoor, lowlight work with my 70-200 and was happy with the results but never worked with the 24-105 in these conditions.
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More than likely you'll need to push your ISO and add additional light befor you need to buy a faster lens. Using an F2.8 or F2 lens wide open will admit more light, but your depth of field will be thin. For events it's usually better to go to F5.6 or smaller, even if that means you need to shoot at ISO 6400 or higher.

Beware of flash domes and card diffusers if your distance from light to subject is more than a few feet. A dome at 10 ft or more is not all that different than an unmodified speedlight - and in a big space without the benefit of bounce surfaces, will provide harsh shadows. The same goes for bounce cards - even the Rogue Flashbenders are not going to provide flattering light if the distance is too great.

This guy has some great advice on how to provide natural-looking light with speedlights for event photography.

https://neilvn.com/tangents/high-iso-bounce-flash-photography/

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Aug 29, 2019 07:06:16   #
billnikon Loc: Pennsylvania/Ohio/Florida/Maui/Oregon/Vermont
 
Resqu2 wrote:
Last weekend I saw a 5k mud/obstacle race and took my camera just to be doing something, I was at the finish line catching runners cross when the director of the event came up and gave me her card and ask for the photos, seemed real upset with her Photographer, said he was suppose to be covering that area but he was off playing with his drone.

That night I sent her the pics and she seemed to really like them and ask if I was available to cover a Gala there doing. Now for the question, it’s a late evening, indoor event and the location has dim lighting for these events. I only have a 24-105 f/4 lens and a 70-200 f/2.8. I think the 70-200 will be to long and I don’t think my 24-105 would be good with the lighting with it being an f/4. I’m considering renting or just going ahead and purchasing a 24-70 f/2.8. Flash and setting up lights isn’t an option here. Do y’all agree or do y’all think my 24-105 would handle it?

I usually do all my work outdoors and with natural light but I don’t want my equipment to limit me. I’m shooting with a Canon 5D mark iv. I have done indoor, lowlight work with my 70-200 and was happy with the results but never worked with the 24-105 in these conditions.
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1. If they say you can't use flash, don't do it period.
2. If flash is OK, use you 24-105, use a flash that has a head that can be turned.
3. Use manual exposure on your camera, set the shutter speed at 1/125 sec. or slower, slower is nice, I usually shoot at 1/30 sec. or 1/60 sec.
4. Set your flash for TTL. Tilt head up and behind you at a 45 degree angle. Cover the flash with a black piece of paper making a funnel, use a girls elastic hair band to hold the funnel on your flash. The funnel will eliminate the distracting flash.
5. Arrive early so you can adjust your ISO and F stop to assure you of pleasing flash results. Do not be afraid of shooting at an ISO of 12,000 to 16,000.
6. Try it, you'll like it.

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Aug 29, 2019 07:38:03   #
jerryc41 Loc: Catskill Mts of NY
 
Architect1776 wrote:
It appears reading the thread that it is dimly lit.
Even f2.8 is pretty slow
I would recommend a flash.


A good flash, used properly, can give excellent results. Just make sure you'll be allowed to use one. If you're not accustomed to using a flash, start learning!

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Aug 29, 2019 07:44:04   #
Resqu2 Loc: SW Va
 
Thank all you guys for some really great advice. Love this place! I went back the the guys FB page and looked at a bunch of pictures that he posted from the runway show and I’m thinking the light isn’t near as bad as I though when I saw one pic he posted. Think I was more shocked at how bad the pic was from a fashion runway show. I will talk more about flash and lighting with the Director.

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Aug 29, 2019 08:03:59   #
Low Budget Dave
 
Every new assignment is an excuse to buy new gear.

Not only is the 24-70 f/2.8 an excellent lens for the occasion, but the Canon version is (in my opinion) visibly better than some of the alternatives.

Even if you have to do volunteer work as an excuse to buy the lens, you should still buy it.

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Aug 29, 2019 08:05:28   #
CHG_CANON Loc: the Windy City
 
Low Budget Dave wrote:
Every new assignment is an excuse to buy new gear.

Not only is the 24-70 f/2.8 an excellent lens for the occasion, but the Canon version is (in my opinion) visibly better than some of the alternatives.

Even if you have to do volunteer work as an excuse to buy the lens, you should still buy it.


Low Budget ... what you been drinking this morning?

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Aug 29, 2019 08:09:21   #
Resqu2 Loc: SW Va
 
Low Budget Dave wrote:
Every new assignment is an excuse to buy new gear.

Not only is the 24-70 f/2.8 an excellent lens for the occasion, but the Canon version is (in my opinion) visibly better than some of the alternatives.

Even if you have to do volunteer work as an excuse to buy the lens, you should still buy it.


I have really been wanting this lens since I got the 70-200 f/2.8. I have my 24-105 for sale on various sites and if it sells I will pick up the 24-70. $1700 is just a pile of money if I don’t sell the other one.

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Aug 29, 2019 08:31:30   #
khorinek
 
Resqu2 wrote:
Last weekend I saw a 5k mud/obstacle race and took my camera just to be doing something, I was at the finish line catching runners cross when the director of the event came up and gave me her card and ask for the photos, seemed real upset with her Photographer, said he was suppose to be covering that area but he was off playing with his drone.

That night I sent her the pics and she seemed to really like them and ask if I was available to cover a Gala there doing. Now for the question, it’s a late evening, indoor event and the location has dim lighting for these events. I only have a 24-105 f/4 lens and a 70-200 f/2.8. I think the 70-200 will be to long and I don’t think my 24-105 would be good with the lighting with it being an f/4. I’m considering renting or just going ahead and purchasing a 24-70 f/2.8. Flash and setting up lights isn’t an option here. Do y’all agree or do y’all think my 24-105 would handle it?

I usually do all my work outdoors and with natural light but I don’t want my equipment to limit me. I’m shooting with a Canon 5D mark iv. I have done indoor, lowlight work with my 70-200 and was happy with the results but never worked with the 24-105 in these conditions.
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Your 24-105 f/4 is fine. I use my RF 24-105 and or 24-70 f/4 over my 24-70 f/2.8 all the time. I shoot these events 3 or 4 times a week as they are my "specialty". Here are my settings for these types of events, shutter speed, 1/100 to 1/125, aperture, f/4 (wide open) Auto ISO, usually 6400 to 12,800 (your 5D Mark IV can handle 12,800). Shoot slow to minimize ISO. Try to shoot small numbers of people in a group (2 to 4) to minimize DOF issues with f/4. Use flash if possible with the flash compensation, in the camera, turned down 1/3 to 2/3 stop to prevent blowing out the facial highlights, I have used a color gel (1/4 orange) on the flash as well but this takes some practice/experience. If you can use flash, use 1/100, f/4, ISO 1600 to 3200. With flash you don't need high shutter speeds as the flash stops motion over shutter. You can shoot as slow as 1/80 with flash if you want to show some background but be careful with slow shutter speeds motion blur can be a problem. Good luck!

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Aug 29, 2019 08:41:02   #
berchman Loc: South Central PA
 
CHG_CANON wrote:
Assume the light will be similar to your friend's work. Check his settings and suggestions. He might be able to lend a lens or flash too.


You've mentioned flash twice, but the OP clearly stated that flash was not an option.

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Aug 29, 2019 08:42:19   #
Resqu2 Loc: SW Va
 
khorinek wrote:
Your 24-105 f/4 is fine. I use my RF 24-105 and or 24-70 f/4 over my 24-70 f/2.8 all the time. I shoot these events 3 or 4 times a week as they are my "specialty". Here are my settings for these types of events, shutter speed, 1/100 to 1/125, aperture, f/4 (wide open) Auto ISO, usually 6400 to 12,800 (your 5D Mark IV can handle 12,800). Shoot slow to minimize ISO. Try to shoot small numbers of people in a group (2 to 4) to minimize DOF issues with f/4. Use flash if possible with the flash compensation, in the camera, turned down 1/3 to 2/3 stop to prevent blowing out the facial highlights, I have used a color gel (1/4 orange) on the flash as well but this takes some practice/experience. If you can use flash, use 1/100, f/4, ISO 1600 to 3200. With flash you don't need high shutter speeds as the flash stops motion over shutter. You can shoot as slow as 1/80 with flash if you want to show some background but be careful with slow shutter speeds motion blur can be a problem. Good luck!
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Thank you for all the great info. I hope to find out this week if flash is ok or not.

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Aug 29, 2019 09:52:47   #
dandev Loc: Enumclaw, WA
 
I just shot a rodeo at night with my 5D3. Many of the shot were taken at 20,000 ISO. Yes they have noise - but they are OK - considering the venue. They would not be good for a studio portrait look - but for this it's OK. And there are some good noise filtering programs out there. I did not do much noise filtering on this as I had a lot of photos to process in a short amount of time.

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Aug 29, 2019 09:59:29   #
dandev Loc: Enumclaw, WA
 
Here is the photo


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Aug 29, 2019 10:04:08   #
Resqu2 Loc: SW Va
 
dandev wrote:
Here is the photo


Looks great to me!

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Aug 29, 2019 10:07:33   #
dandev Loc: Enumclaw, WA
 
Flash was not an option here.

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