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Aug 26, 2019 10:55:12   #
boberic Loc: Quiet Corner, Connecticut. Ex long Islander
 
This is a very old discussion ( argument). What is art? answer is "it Depends" A Van Gogh, todayis regarded as great art, yet during his life they were worthless. I am a Hirchfeld fan. I love his line drawings. I have one hanging on my B&W wall. They are worth a lot more than when I got it, but I don't carewhat it's worth. I have seen expensive paintings that I would't pay a nickle for Taste changes. A ceiling painter in Rome did pretty pictures. Mike Angelo died some time ago, his work is highly regarded. He can do my ceilings any time. But I would prefer latex rather than oil I understand he did a statue of a guy named Dave. But pictures of this one is not allowed in grade school, cause he is naked. If some one would put underwear on him it could be displayed.

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Aug 26, 2019 10:55:19   #
cheineck Loc: Hobe Sound, FL
 
rwoodvira wrote:
I was a fine art dealer for many years, primarily representing American artist estates. Fine art is a very broad category. My favorite period is impressionism, but I also appreciate some modern art - I'm not a big Picasso fan, except for his very early work, but I love the work of Matisse. Understand that a lot of very expensive works have been pushed by dealers. A very good book to give you an overall view of what the types of art there are is the Annotated Mona Lisa - I have the 1992 edition which you can pick up fairly cheap. I often told people that Modern Art is an acquired taste; I usually used the example of dill pickles. I hated them at first, now I love them.

I have a very good friend who hated any Modern Art - I once brought in a very colorful Abstract to my office and hung it upside down. I then wrote down what he would say: "The artist must of been having a very bad day - my grandchildren could paint something better than that, etc."I said did you really look at it, he said sure. I then said I guess you missed the artist's signature is upside down. He walked off in a huff.

With the advent of digital and programs such as Photoshop, photos are often now nothing about realty. We can modify nature, making it brighter or darker, as seen or distorted. Often these big prices paid for works are about one-man upmanship; one collector buying something that another collector wanted. My late partner used to get ticked at me when I told clients that they should look around and see what they like; collect what you like. You might lose the one sale, but you probably made a client for like.

If you get a chance take a look at the book, you might just find something you like. I often use what I've seen to affect what I photo. PS If you want to know my favorite painting it's here: https://www.philamuseum.org/collections/permanent/101764.html. If you want me to explain why, I really couldn't tell you. I try to visit once or twice a year. Apologies for the long note.
I was a fine art dealer for many years, primarily ... (show quote)


Great link and Sargent was terrific!

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Aug 26, 2019 11:20:11   #
Paul J. Svetlik Loc: Colorado
 
Cahale, it is not complicated.
Art is a form of communication. It is usually condensed. Sometimes it could be also only descriptive to bring your eye attention to the point you can enjoy.
It takes you from feeling to meaning.

If the person can not read, the best poem would be an array of worthless shapes.

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Aug 26, 2019 11:45:27   #
Wingpilot Loc: Wasilla. Ak
 
I have to agree that appreciation of art is in the eye of the beholder. I still chuckle at the story my dad told me one time about art. He had a friend who was an artist, and she was also an art teacher, teaching adults art. At one point she had a showing at a local art gallery, displaying some of her students’ paintings. The one that drew the most attention from the so-called art afficianados was a canvas that merely displayed random colors of paint over the surface of the canvas, lots of “oohs” and “ahs” from people, and comments as to the struggles of the artists. Turned out she had a sense of humor. The canvas was one she had put on an easel and the students merely used it to wipe off paint from their brushes! She thought it would be a great joke to play by displaying it, and a lot of of folks thought it was a great piece of modern art. I don’t recall if anyone bought it. So I guess you never know what might constitute art.

As for photography as art, one could suppose that, much like a painter or sculptor, one’s photos could also be a representation of his or her thoughts, angst, etc, just the medium is different, a camera versus a brush or chisel and hammer.

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Aug 26, 2019 11:48:05   #
boberic Loc: Quiet Corner, Connecticut. Ex long Islander
 
Just another thought. Who is the artist in this one

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Aug 26, 2019 11:57:58   #
boberic Loc: Quiet Corner, Connecticut. Ex long Islander
 
An unusual answer to the question is a photo art. So what is art here? The painter or the picture of the picture?



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Aug 26, 2019 12:36:17   #
NewGuy
 
Before you give up completely on impressionism and post-impressionist art, make sure you see some notable originals at a museum. There are three things in life that live up to all the hype: sex, being a grandparent and impressionist art.

With regard to modern art, I recommend "What are you looking at" by Will Gompertz.

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Aug 26, 2019 12:37:22   #
Keen
 
Art-like porn-is in the mind of the beholder. There are as many opinions as there are people.

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Aug 26, 2019 12:50:43   #
GreenReaper
 
Very well said, I could not add another word.

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Aug 26, 2019 13:31:33   #
Vince68 Loc: Wappingers Falls, NY
 
Hal81 wrote:
Art in the eye of the beer holder, opps I mean the beholder.


Good one Hal... enough beers and anything will look like fine art. LOL

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Aug 26, 2019 13:43:48   #
jerryc41 Loc: Catskill Mts of NY
 
Wallen wrote:
Much like the diamond scam of de-beers. Diamond being made of carbon is a very common substance and can be manufactured to much purer form by laboratories. But they managed thru advertisement to make them very valuable to the masses. Try selling it back to them and see the huge drop in value.


Yes, the diamond industry is very tightly controlled.

https://www.diamondspot.com/?p=400&lang=en

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Aug 26, 2019 13:51:10   #
G Brown Loc: Sunny Bognor Regis West Sussex UK
 
It depends upon the society in which you stand and how much money you have to show you have.
Art has always been a rich person's way of telling everyone that they are cultured.
Photography (from the right source) was a less financial strain, but had to be 'peer reviewed'.
Today 'anything' gets 'liked'.....the more 'likes' the more 'important' to advertisers. - Who have lots of money to spend!

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Aug 26, 2019 14:01:03   #
Picture Taker Loc: Michigan Thumb
 
When you paint (sketch etc.) you make "one" an original. A Photo is one and so is the next one and so on. We don't have "The one and only ORIGINAL" I hope I put it so you can understand me."

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Aug 26, 2019 14:13:23   #
shelty Loc: Medford, OR
 
Really, My comparison between the two mediums is; In painting, you can make up what you visualize and put it on canvas. In photography, you have to take what there is out there, or try to make something out of two or more images. Each one have their advantages.

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Aug 26, 2019 15:22:47   #
ingver
 
You really can't compare paintings with photographs. In our area of Florida (Northwest Florida) almost all art competitions are mixed media (paintings -- all types, sculpture -- all types). I d hate to be a judge.
Although I've won many prizes, I quit competing because if I was the judge, I would have to give a prize to the best oil painting, best watercolor, best pastel, best black and white photo, best color photo, oh yes, and the best sculpture. And, that doesn't take into consideration the category (portrait, street, sports, landscapes etc)

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