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Aug 26, 2019 08:46:34   #
Rose42
 
jcboy3 wrote:
And that is what seems to bug the anti-abortionists more than anything else; the convenience factor. They can't stomach the fact that some women just don't want to BE pregnant or to HAVE a child.

What I have trouble with is the hypocrisy; that the anti-abortionists are so motivated to stop abortions, but they are not so motivated to stop murder by individuals, deaths by accident, and death by military action (just think of the millions of innocent people killed by the US in wars since the end of WWII).
And that is what seems to bug the anti-abortionist... (show quote)


And you care about those deaths? Not if you don't care about life at its most innocent. The pro death crowd has its own hypocrisy. They too are involved in the military actions and the deaths of innocents.

Alcohol is responsible for far more deaths and injuries than guns. Its abused by children - as are drugs - and costs us far more.

You care about lives? Ban alcohol and do a better job of eliminating opiates.

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They should be wanting to rid this country of guns, make cars as safe as possible, eliminate drunk driving as much as possible (as in you CAN'T drive if drunk because a breathalizer keeps you from doing so, or you have to turn in your keys if you go to a bar), and put an end to US engaging in foreign wars.


Ridding the country of guns is not the answer. The alt left won't address fundamental issues so their answer is ban. Deny people their right to defend themselves and instead rely on government which won't work.

Many of us are all for ending our engagement in foreign wars. On both sides, the political leaders don't necessarily reflect what their constituents believe. They have their own agendas.

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Not to mention health care. Oh yes, lets make sure you have your baby, but lets make sure you don't have decent health care to keep it healthy and alive. If life is so precious, then there should be no limit to the resources spent by this country to keep its citizens safe and healthy.

These things are not the goal of the "pro-lifers", and so life must not be the primary purpose of their movement.


The left gets hysterical over guns as you demonstrate here.

You don't know many pro-lifers. A lot of us want better healthcare and access for all but government keeps failing in that regard - democrats too.

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Aug 26, 2019 08:56:40   #
LWW Loc: Banana Republic of America
 
thom w wrote:
Why are you breathing air that could be used by more deserving.


Ahhhh ... let your butthurt flow.

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Aug 26, 2019 09:07:36   #
yhtomit Loc: Port Land. Oregon
 
Texcaster wrote:
According to their own survey responses, anti-abortion voters are hostile to gender equality in practically every aspect

According to self-identified “pro-life” advocates, the fundamental divide between those who want to outlaw abortion and those who want to keep it legal comes down to one question: when does life begin? Anti-abortion advocacy pushes the view that life begins at conception; the name of their movement carefully centers the conceit that opposition to abortion rights is simply about wanting to save human lives.

A new poll shows that’s a lie. The “pro-life” movement is fundamentally about misogyny.

A Supermajority/PerryUndem survey released this week divides respondents by their position on abortion, and then tracks their answers to 10 questions on gender equality more generally. On every question, anti-abortion voters were significantly more hostile to gender equity than pro-choice voters.

Do men make better political leaders than women? More than half of anti-abortion voters agreed. Do you want there to be equal numbers of men and women in positions of power in America? Fewer than half of abortion opponents said yes – compared with 80% of pro-choicers, who said they want women to share in power equally.

Anti-abortion voters don’t like the #MeToo movement. They don’t think the lack of women in positions of power impacts women’s equality. They don’t think access to birth control impacts women’s equality. They don’t think the way women are treated in society is an important issue in the 2020 election.

In other words, they don’t believe sexism is a problem, and they’re hostile to women’s rights. Pro-lifers are sexists in denial – yes, the women too.

more here

https://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2019/aug/22/a-new-poll-shows-what-really-interests-pro-lifers-controlling-women
According to their own survey responses, anti-abor... (show quote)


Wu whoooooo! Kill babies everybody!!!kill kill kill kill kill...

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Aug 26, 2019 09:14:22   #
Elaine2025 Loc: Seattle, Wa
 
Frank T wrote:
Poor little girl. I know you're going to get your panties in a wad over this but, 58% of American support be the right of a woman to control her own body. They are Pro-Choice.
So you see, the majority of people think you're wrong.
Hey wait! I've got an idea. If you don't like abortions, don't have one.


Little Frankie, you lie again, shame on you. Democrats support abortion murder, no matter how far along a pregnant woman is? 68 or 75 percent of Americans oppose that. Here little guy, let me get the information for you to prove you are wrong. So, once again you did not tell the truth. Tell me, why do democrats have to lie so much? I guess because facts do no support their leftist ideology.

https://www.apnews.com/dec1f82c4c630cb97ab7cefc58cf0866

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Aug 26, 2019 09:15:28   #
Elaine2025 Loc: Seattle, Wa
 
thom w wrote:
Why are you breathing air that could be used by more deserving.


Why are you little Tommie, that air could be breathed by new born babies.

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Aug 26, 2019 10:05:45   #
jcboy3
 
Rose42 wrote:
And you care about those deaths? Not if you don't care about life at its most innocent. The pro death crowd has its own hypocrisy. They too are involved in the military actions and the deaths of innocents.

Alcohol is responsible for far more deaths and injuries than guns. Its abused by children - as are drugs - and costs us far more.

You care about lives? Ban alcohol and do a better job of eliminating opiates.

Ridding the country of guns is not the answer. The alt left won't address fundamental issues so their answer is ban. Deny people their right to defend themselves and instead rely on government which won't work.

Many of us are all for ending our engagement in foreign wars. On both sides, the political leaders don't necessarily reflect what their constituents believe. They have their own agendas.

The left gets hysterical over guns as you demonstrate here.

You don't know many pro-lifers. A lot of us want better healthcare and access for all but government keeps failing in that regard - democrats too.
And you care about those deaths? Not if you don't ... (show quote)


Sorry, but you are drawing an incorrect conclusion. I do care about the death of people. I do not care about the death of fetuses. It really is that simple. You think there is a conflict, but only because you think that a fetus is a person.

In addition, while I am concerned about the affects of drugs and alcohol on people, I think people should be able to use drugs and alcohol as long as they don't harm other people. I also think people should be able to commit suicide, but also they should be able to get mental health treatment. You should't have to try to commit suicide to get your problems recognized and treated. Opiates have always been a problem, but better access to alternatives might help.

Ridding the country of guns might certainly be the answer; restricting access and restricting which guns are available most certainly will be an answer. It is the case in most countries.

This country's affinity for war is bipartisan. It is driven by greed, paranoia, racism, jingoism. You name it, slaughtering innocent people is a characteristic of American foreign policy.

I hardly think I was hysterical about guns; one brief statement about guns in my post cannot qualify as hysteria.

As for healthcare, Republicans have been doggedly consistent about repealing the ACA. They have claimed a desire to replace it, but have no concrete proposals to do so. They have not addressed other health care issues, most specifically the cost of prescriptions and the limitation on Medicare negotiating drug prices.

Republicans are not proposing changes to the ACA to fix it's problems; in fact they are doing what they can to exacerbate those problems in the hope of crippling the ACA and eventually repealing it. This is not an action taken with the intent to improve health care in America.

I look forward to Republicans marching in the streets demanding better health care, lower drug costs, stricter environmental protection (for clean air, water, food...), safer streets and neighborhoods, and an end to wars of aggression. I doubt it will happen, because instead of focusing on issues pertaining to people, they are focused on the issue of making more people by restricting abortion.

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Aug 26, 2019 10:54:12   #
yhtomit Loc: Port Land. Oregon
 
jcboy3 wrote:
Sorry, but you are drawing an incorrect conclusion. I do care about the death of people. I do not care about the death of fetuses. It really is that simple. You think there is a conflict, but only because you think that a fetus is a person.

In addition, while I am concerned about the affects of drugs and alcohol on people, I think people should be able to use drugs and alcohol as long as they don't harm other people. I also think people should be able to commit suicide, but also they should be able to get mental health treatment. You should't have to try to commit suicide to get your problems recognized and treated. Opiates have always been a problem, but better access to alternatives might help.

Ridding the country of guns might certainly be the answer; restricting access and restricting which guns are available most certainly will be an answer. It is the case in most countries.

This country's affinity for war is bipartisan. It is driven by greed, paranoia, racism, jingoism. You name it, slaughtering innocent people is a characteristic of American foreign policy.

I hardly think I was hysterical about guns; one brief statement about guns in my post cannot qualify as hysteria.

As for healthcare, Republicans have been doggedly consistent about repealing the ACA. They have claimed a desire to replace it, but have no concrete proposals to do so. They have not addressed other health care issues, most specifically the cost of prescriptions and the limitation on Medicare negotiating drug prices.

Republicans are not proposing changes to the ACA to fix it's problems; in fact they are doing what they can to exacerbate those problems in the hope of crippling the ACA and eventually repealing it. This is not an action taken with the intent to improve health care in America.

I look forward to Republicans marching in the streets demanding better health care, lower drug costs, stricter environmental protection (for clean air, water, food...), safer streets and neighborhoods, and an end to wars of aggression. I doubt it will happen, because instead of focusing on issues pertaining to people, they are focused on the issue of making more people by restricting abortion.
Sorry, but you are drawing an incorrect conclusion... (show quote)


What species is this fetus?
Homelessness and mental healthcare needs to be addressed by all countries.
You don't understand our 2nd amendment. Guns are good for preventing tyranny. Learn.
"slaughtering innocent people is a characteristic" of war. Abolish bad guys.
Republicans want clean, air, water...
Making more people? Whats your source aside from your feelings?
Free market healthcare, that's what republicans want.

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Aug 26, 2019 10:55:24   #
Elaine2025 Loc: Seattle, Wa
 
jcboy3 wrote:
Sorry, but you are drawing an incorrect conclusion. I do care about the death of people. I do not care about the death of fetuses. It really is that simple. You think there is a conflict, but only because you think that a fetus is a person.

In addition, while I am concerned about the affects of drugs and alcohol on people, I think people should be able to use drugs and alcohol as long as they don't harm other people. I also think people should be able to commit suicide, but also they should be able to get mental health treatment. You should't have to try to commit suicide to get your problems recognized and treated. Opiates have always been a problem, but better access to alternatives might help.

Ridding the country of guns might certainly be the answer; restricting access and restricting which guns are available most certainly will be an answer. It is the case in most countries.

This country's affinity for war is bipartisan. It is driven by greed, paranoia, racism, jingoism. You name it, slaughtering innocent people is a characteristic of American foreign policy.

I hardly think I was hysterical about guns; one brief statement about guns in my post cannot qualify as hysteria.

As for healthcare, Republicans have been doggedly consistent about repealing the ACA. They have claimed a desire to replace it, but have no concrete proposals to do so. They have not addressed other health care issues, most specifically the cost of prescriptions and the limitation on Medicare negotiating drug prices.

Republicans are not proposing changes to the ACA to fix it's problems; in fact they are doing what they can to exacerbate those problems in the hope of crippling the ACA and eventually repealing it. This is not an action taken with the intent to improve health care in America.

I look forward to Republicans marching in the streets demanding better health care, lower drug costs, stricter environmental protection (for clean air, water, food...), safer streets and neighborhoods, and an end to wars of aggression. I doubt it will happen, because instead of focusing on issues pertaining to people, they are focused on the issue of making more people by restricting abortion.
Sorry, but you are drawing an incorrect conclusion... (show quote)



You do not care about the death of fetuses, which are babies. Tell us all again why someone should listen to you little boy.

OMG,you think people should be able to use drugs and alcohol at will, and they should be able to commit suicide. The USA is not a country for you, it will never become that level of crazy. If dems think like you, they will destroy themselves and we can all watch. Little boy, search for a place that fits your mental deficiencies.

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Aug 26, 2019 11:08:25   #
soba1 Loc: Somewhere In So Ca
 
Rose42 wrote:
That doesn’t begin to touch the depravity of the pro death crowd championing 2000 killings every day mostly for convenience.


Murder is murder.........................

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Aug 26, 2019 11:24:53   #
Angmo
 
jcboy3 wrote:
Sorry, but you are drawing an incorrect conclusion. I do care about the death of people. I do not care about the death of fetuses. It really is that simple. You think there is a conflict, but only because you think that a fetus is a person.

In addition, while I am concerned about the affects of drugs and alcohol on people, I think people should be able to use drugs and alcohol as long as they don't harm other people. I also think people should be able to commit suicide, but also they should be able to get mental health treatment. You should't have to try to commit suicide to get your problems recognized and treated. Opiates have always been a problem, but better access to alternatives might help.

Ridding the country of guns might certainly be the answer; restricting access and restricting which guns are available most certainly will be an answer. It is the case in most countries.

This country's affinity for war is bipartisan. It is driven by greed, paranoia, racism, jingoism. You name it, slaughtering innocent people is a characteristic of American foreign policy.

I hardly think I was hysterical about guns; one brief statement about guns in my post cannot qualify as hysteria.

As for healthcare, Republicans have been doggedly consistent about repealing the ACA. They have claimed a desire to replace it, but have no concrete proposals to do so. They have not addressed other health care issues, most specifically the cost of prescriptions and the limitation on Medicare negotiating drug prices.

Republicans are not proposing changes to the ACA to fix it's problems; in fact they are doing what they can to exacerbate those problems in the hope of crippling the ACA and eventually repealing it. This is not an action taken with the intent to improve health care in America.

I look forward to Republicans marching in the streets demanding better health care, lower drug costs, stricter environmental protection (for clean air, water, food...), safer streets and neighborhoods, and an end to wars of aggression. I doubt it will happen, because instead of focusing on issues pertaining to people, they are focused on the issue of making more people by restricting abortion.
Sorry, but you are drawing an incorrect conclusion... (show quote)


500, government does not belong in healthcare. The market was healthier without Obakapig care.

I see this daily. It sucks.

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Aug 26, 2019 11:26:03   #
jcboy3
 
yhtomit wrote:
What species is this fetus?
Homelessness and mental healthcare needs to be addressed by all countries.
You don't understand our 2nd amendment. Guns are good for preventing tyranny. Learn.
"slaughtering innocent people is a characteristic" of war. Abolish bad guys.
Republicans want clean, air, water...
Making more people? Whats your source aside from your feelings?
Free market healthcare, that's what republicans want.


You might read "A Libertarian’s Case Against Free Markets in Health Care"

https://thehealthcareblog.com/blog/2018/08/02/a-libertarians-case-against-free-markets-in-healthcare/

Free Market Health Care is not health care for all.

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Aug 26, 2019 11:39:21   #
yhtomit Loc: Port Land. Oregon
 
jcboy3 wrote:
You might read "A Libertarian’s Case Against Free Markets in Health Care"

https://thehealthcareblog.com/blog/2018/08/02/a-libertarians-case-against-free-markets-in-healthcare/

Free Market Health Care is not health care for all.


Anything else stifles innovation.

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Aug 26, 2019 11:57:28   #
wilpharm Loc: Oklahoma
 
Frank T wrote:
Not shocked at all.
The wingers in this site are scared to death of powerful women.


since when did you classify yourself as a winger??..but...not surprised..you act like a little girl..

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Aug 26, 2019 12:33:11   #
Frank T Loc: New York, NY
 
wilpharm wrote:
since when did you classify yourself as a winger??..but...not surprised..you act like a little girl..


How's that fruit picking job going for you?

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Aug 26, 2019 12:38:13   #
jcboy3
 
Elaine2025 wrote:
You do not care about the death of fetuses, which are babies. Tell us all again why someone should listen to you little boy.

OMG,you think people should be able to use drugs and alcohol at will, and they should be able to commit suicide. The USA is not a country for you, it will never become that level of crazy. If dems think like you, they will destroy themselves and we can all watch. Little boy, search for a place that fits your mental deficiencies.


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