Courtesy in the UHH forum (Page 2): Typing what you feel can be easily misconstrewed of not worded deliberately and carefully and even then it can be iffy. vz...

vonzip Loc: cape cod

Typing what you feel can be easily misconstrewed of not worded deliberately and carefully and even then it can be iffy. vz

speters Loc: Grangeville/Idaho

Vienna74 wrote:

I posted a minor pet peeve a few days ago and really appreciated the comments. They were fun to read and think about as contributions to the thread. I now have a suggestion intended to improve participation in this forum.

We have UHH users who come from all levels of photographic experience, interests and skills. Some have spent thousands of dollars on gear and post amazing photos. Others have spent the same amount and do not yet know how to use the gear, but they want to learn. More than anything I am impressed with the obvious skill of many here.

A few posts elicit rather snarky responses. These may take the form of a rebuke for asking something or harsh criticism of a photo and are direct responses to the original post. I cringe when I read them and hope even the worst curmudgeon among us would not say those things to a person's face. (So what if the question has been asked before? Everyone was new here once.)

Criticism, gently offered, is usually welcome and appreciated. However, highly critical and pointed responses have the effect of discouraging people from posting. We all lose out as a result. I am not interested in everything that gets posted (especially the snapshots of cats---there is a Pampered Pets Corner section for those!), but I just skip over them and watch for the truly great photos many of you share. I learn from them or am inspired to try something because of what I see. (By the way, the better the subject line in a post, the easier it is to hone in on what interests me.)

I have seen amazing photos here! That is why I visit here almost daily. I am an old film guy and it has taken years for me to think of photography in digital terms. It affects how I expose photos and approach post processing. Many of those learning experiences had their genesis here, thanks to all of you. The best photos here make me want to improve what I do. Others remind me of where I once was.

We share a love for photography and will all benefit from a less harsh and judgmental forum. Give encouragement. Be positive. Compliment. If you feel the need to be snide or rude. . . (I was going to say go yell at the cat, but that would offend someone, so I will not) . . . just don't say anything. Move on. Find a post you love and say so. Make this a safe place for people to share, not a place of punishment.

I posted a minor pet peeve a few days ago and real... (show quote)

I understand were you're coming from and most of what you say has merit, but when people asking for critique, that is what they should get! That's the way we all learn. To say, if you do not have to say something positive, say nothing is just plain wrong. To lie to someone saying, oh this is wonderful, you did a great job, when its in fact the opposite, is not helping anyone. That's the worst thing you can do to someone that is really seeking an honest answer and have all "negative" aspects laid out for him/her, so he/she can try to correct them next time around. I say there is no need to put anybody down, but and honest answer that say the things the way they are, is the best answer!

rjaywallace Loc: Wisconsin

I have greatly reduced the number of my critical responses.

Vienna74 Loc: Bountiful, Utah now Panama

speters wrote:

I understand were you're coming from and most of w... (show quote)

I probably was not clear enough, because I agree with you. However, I began a paragraph with this sentence: "Criticism, gently offered, is usually welcome and appreciated." What matters is the delivery, which can either encourage growth or discourage it.

Vienna74 Loc: Bountiful, Utah now Panama

griffzky wrote:

I couldn't agree more. This is my second time arou... (show quote)

Thank you for your comments. You said it very well.

bellgamin Loc: Ewa Beach, Hawaii

On a lighter note:
A critic is someone who hides in the hills while the battle rages in the valley below. After the battle is over, the critic descends to the valley and shoots the wounded.

Of course, this bit of frivolity doesn't apply so well to critiques of photographs, but it's the only schtick I have at the moment.

But seriously -- I disagree with the idea of using the "ignore button" for those folks who seem troll-like. People can change, & need the opportunity to do so. I have often found that even the most venomous of critiques can sometimes have a sentence or 2 of good counsel written in a more-or-less normal tone. If one ignores the venomous sentences & quotes only the temperate sentences, with a remark such as, "Good point" or "I get it -- thanks", the "soft answer" can make a point without actually saying it.

Overused but often true:
1-A soft answer turns away wrath.
2-Don't feed the trolls
3-Praise good behavior & ignore the other. Result (sometimes): positive motivation.

TriX Loc: Raleigh, NC

Vienna74 wrote:

Yes, and that would spare me of having to read such boorish comments, but it offers no protection to the new member. Thank you for reminding me about that feature, though!

Unfortunately, adding a person to your ignore list only prevents you from receiving PMs from them. It used to prevent people on your ignore list from posting on your threads, but I believe that changed some months ago, so now the function is essentially useless. If that’s incorrect, please update me. (And please don’t yell at the cat in frustration 😼).

bleirer

TriX wrote:

Unfortunately, adding a person to your ignore list only prevents you from receiving PMs from them. It used to prevent people on your ignore list from posting on your threads, but I believe that changed some months ago, so now the function is essentially useless. If that’s incorrect, please update me. (And please don’t yell at the cat in frustration 😼).

I thought it his that person's posts from my view. Maybe someone from admin can clarify. Anyway it makes me feel better thinking it works.

TriX Loc: Raleigh, NC

bleirer wrote:

I thought it his that person's posts from my view. Maybe someone from admin can clarify. Anyway it makes me feel better thinking it works.

I think you are correct - here’s the definition form th FAQs:

Ignore list is a way to control users you don't like.
Users in your ignore list won't be able to send you private messages.
You will not see topics by ignored users in the digest, Newest Topics, Active Topics.
To add a user to your ignore list, go to their profile and click "Add To Ignore List" link.
You can manage your Ignore List under My Profile.
Your ignore list is private. Other users can't see who among others is on your ignore list. But each user who is on your ignore list will know they are on it.

bleirer

TriX wrote:

I think you are correct - here’s the definition fo... (show quote)

I just checked. I only have 4 people on my list, but it's nice to know the option is there. Other choices are to click 'report a problem' though Ive never done that, or simply unfollow the topic, which I have done.

Bill_de Loc: US

Vienna74 wrote:

I posted a minor pet peeve a few days ago and really appreciated the comments. They were fun to read and think about as contributions to the thread. I now have a suggestion intended to improve participation in this forum.

We have UHH users who come from all levels of photographic experience, interests and skills. Some have spent thousands of dollars on gear and post amazing photos. Others have spent the same amount and do not yet know how to use the gear, but they want to learn. More than anything I am impressed with the obvious skill of many here.

A few posts elicit rather snarky responses. These may take the form of a rebuke for asking something or harsh criticism of a photo and are direct responses to the original post. I cringe when I read them and hope even the worst curmudgeon among us would not say those things to a person's face. (So what if the question has been asked before? Everyone was new here once.)

Criticism, gently offered, is usually welcome and appreciated. However, highly critical and pointed responses have the effect of discouraging people from posting. We all lose out as a result. I am not interested in everything that gets posted (especially the snapshots of cats---there is a Pampered Pets Corner section for those!), but I just skip over them and watch for the truly great photos many of you share. I learn from them or am inspired to try something because of what I see. (By the way, the better the subject line in a post, the easier it is to hone in on what interests me.)

I have seen amazing photos here! That is why I visit here almost daily. I am an old film guy and it has taken years for me to think of photography in digital terms. It affects how I expose photos and approach post processing. Many of those learning experiences had their genesis here, thanks to all of you. The best photos here make me want to improve what I do. Others remind me of where I once was.

We share a love for photography and will all benefit from a less harsh and judgmental forum. Give encouragement. Be positive. Compliment. If you feel the need to be snide or rude. . . (I was going to say go yell at the cat, but that would offend someone, so I will not) . . . just don't say anything. Move on. Find a post you love and say so. Make this a safe place for people to share, not a place of punishment.

I posted a minor pet peeve a few days ago and real... (show quote)

I agree with the content. I don't understand why this type of post (we see them all the time) is always posted in the Photography Discussion Section. The topic is about how to interact with people using text, not photos.

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duane klipping Loc: Bristow iowa

I don't mind the questions about how to shoot and such. The ones I dislike are the tell me what to shoot on my trip to (insert place here). Really? This tells me you are lazy and want everyone to tell you where to go and what to shoot. Is that all the effort you want to put out in Photography? Can't get very creative that way.

Then you have the what equipment should I bring on said trip. Really again you need to ask then just bring you phone. I ask for no one's help on such matters and make my own decisions unlike some here who can't.

Then you have the raw/jpeg debates and what camera should I get is a good one. Make your own decisions on equipment do your own research. The internet has a vast number of sites dedicated to that type of thing.

Bill_de Loc: US

duane klipping wrote:

Then you have the raw/jpeg debates and what camera should I get is a good one. Make your own decisions on equipment do your own research. The internet has a vast number of sites dedicated to that type of thing.

From Wiki:

Research is "creative and systematic work undertaken to increase the stock of knowledge, including knowledge of humans, culture and society, and the use of this stock of knowledge to devise new applications." ...

Aren't you assuming that asking folks here is the only research being done?

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dennis2146 Loc: Eastern Idaho

bleirer wrote:

I just checked. I only have 4 people on my list, but it's nice to know the option is there. Other choices are to click 'report a problem' though Ive never done that, or simply unfollow the topic, which I have done.

I am proud to have nobody on my list. Sure there are people who have said rude things about me and even my family. But I choose to ignore them. If I change my mind I can offer words to them.

Dennis

Haydon

Vienna74 wrote:

I posted a minor pet peeve a few days ago and really appreciated the comments. They were fun to read and think about as contributions to the thread. I now have a suggestion intended to improve participation in this forum.

We have UHH users who come from all levels of photographic experience, interests and skills. Some have spent thousands of dollars on gear and post amazing photos. Others have spent the same amount and do not yet know how to use the gear, but they want to learn. More than anything I am impressed with the obvious skill of many here.

A few posts elicit rather snarky responses. These may take the form of a rebuke for asking something or harsh criticism of a photo and are direct responses to the original post. I cringe when I read them and hope even the worst curmudgeon among us would not say those things to a person's face. (So what if the question has been asked before? Everyone was new here once.)

Criticism, gently offered, is usually welcome and appreciated. However, highly critical and pointed responses have the effect of discouraging people from posting. We all lose out as a result. I am not interested in everything that gets posted (especially the snapshots of cats---there is a Pampered Pets Corner section for those!), but I just skip over them and watch for the truly great photos many of you share. I learn from them or am inspired to try something because of what I see. (By the way, the better the subject line in a post, the easier it is to hone in on what interests me.)

I have seen amazing photos here! That is why I visit here almost daily. I am an old film guy and it has taken years for me to think of photography in digital terms. It affects how I expose photos and approach post processing. Many of those learning experiences had their genesis here, thanks to all of you. The best photos here make me want to improve what I do. Others remind me of where I once was.

We share a love for photography and will all benefit from a less harsh and judgmental forum. Give encouragement. Be positive. Compliment. If you feel the need to be snide or rude. . . (I was going to say go yell at the cat, but that would offend someone, so I will not) . . . just don't say anything. Move on. Find a post you love and say so. Make this a safe place for people to share, not a place of punishment.

I posted a minor pet peeve a few days ago and real... (show quote)

A noble suggestion but you can't change the world. One needs to just move on and avoid reading if you find it offensive. We need to be thick skinned. I've fallen into that trap a few times with one member in particular. In this day and age, some people are just looking to be offended by anything.