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Aug 17, 2019 21:34:28   #
robertjerl Loc: Corona, California
 
rwoodvira wrote:
I don't believe the founders envisioned automatic weapons - I just don't see the need in modern society for assault weapons. An additional problem is a disparity in state laws in the purchase of weapons. I once had a job that I felt I needed a carry permit. I live in New Jersey, forget about it.
If I moved across the Delaware River to Chester or Delaware County in Pennsylvania - no problem.


They didn't have national media, radio, TV, movies, internet etc either. So the first amendment should only apply to face to face talking, written letters or local newspapers printed on hand operated presses? Right, uh, no I guess not.

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Aug 17, 2019 21:36:31   #
robertjerl Loc: Corona, California
 
controversy wrote:
It seems self-evident: folks are talking about banning certain types of rifles and I am interested in understanding what differences indicate that a particular rifle is more dangerous than another and should be banned. Certainly, there must be an intelligent, rational, and measurable reason for suggesting one rifle be banned and not another. My curiosity centers on learning about those differences and how to recognize them.

Are you an arms expert or just a commentator?

Here in CA one of the keys to an "assault weapon" is a bayonet lug - lots of drive by bayonet attacks and bayonet charges by the gangs. Uh, no, guess not.

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Aug 17, 2019 22:25:52   #
controversy Loc: Wuhan, China
 
robertjerl wrote:
They are the same Ruger Mini-14 rifle with different stock and accessories. One looks "bad" because of the wanna be military look. But they are the same rifle, probably the same caliber ammunition, off hand I seem to remember it has been made in, I think, 5 calibers, - .222, .223, 5.56 Nato, 300BLK, 7.62x39 (AK-47 and SKS caliber). All are semi-auto only though the military and PDs can order special ones from the factory with a different receiver that has a selector switch (semi-auto or full auto)
I own two of them, one in .223 and one Mini-30(same rifle different caliber) in 7.62x39. Neither has ever been used in a crime etc. Though the one in .223 used to belong to a police department who had a custom gunsmith rework it as a light sniper/marksman rifle.
A friend who owned a gun shop got it in trade when the PD ordered some real fully automatic weapons to replace it for their SWAT team.
They are the same Ruger Mini-14 rifle with differe... (show quote)


You nailed it - they are both exactly the same gun mechanism and function exactly the same way but with different "clothes" on. Putting leaves in your hair doesn't make you a tree any more than changing the stock on grandpa's deer rifle makes it an assault weapon.

It is really interesting to witness folks judging a gun on the basis of how it looks and not how it functions. If skin color was the difference it'd be called prejudicial racism.

This line has been attributed to Einstein: The difference between stupidity and genius is that genius has its limits.

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Aug 17, 2019 22:28:29   #
Carolinamax
 
The danger of either would depend on the person holding it: experience, intentions. Your local firing range and the NRA would be a great start if you really wanted to learn more.

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Aug 17, 2019 23:10:07   #
robertjerl Loc: Corona, California
 
Give someone a real assault rifle, M-16, AK I don't care. Standard infantry model not some tricked out marksman version.
Give me a good target rifle in 30-06, 308 or similar and a half way decent "snipers" position.
Start us 600 yards/meters apart with instructions for him to take me out and all else being equal the guy with the assault rifle will be lucky to get within 300 meters/yards of me and I won't even need to move from my position. If things go real well for me I will only expend one round of ammo.

Of course I am speaking of the 21 year old version of me that shipped out to Vietnam in 1966.
But even today I might be able to pull it off if I go to the range a few times before the face off.

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Aug 18, 2019 01:28:08   #
rick_n_wv Loc: Charleston WV
 
When seconds matter the police are only minutes away.
If they can bring in tons of drugs at a time, what makes people think they can't bring in tons of guns.

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Aug 18, 2019 01:30:15   #
rick_n_wv Loc: Charleston WV
 
robertjerl wrote:

Give me a good target rifle in 30-06, 308 or similar and a half way decent "snipers" position.
Start us 600 yards/meters apart with instructions for him to take me out and all else being equal the guy with the assault rifle will be lucky to get within 300 meters/yards of me and I won't even need to move from my position. If things go real well for me I will only expend one round of ammo.


Ever hear of the Hickory Egg Shoot?

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Aug 18, 2019 02:50:03   #
robertjerl Loc: Corona, California
 
rick_n_wv wrote:
Ever hear of the Hickory Egg Shoot?


Just looked it up. Basically target rifles in the hands of some extremely good shots. I mean, a varmint rifle is a target rifle for use in the field instead of a range. Yes I know it has been won with .223s. But not a standard issue assault rifle.

I don't know if they are still around but a long time ago I read of a group called The 1000 Yard Club (?), they shot bench rest rifles. But the article I read said some of the members decided to do their deer hunting with their bench rest guns. Sit up a shooting table on one mountain and only take a deer at 1000 yards or so on another mountain. Then the hard part started, getting to the deer to recover it and not waste the animal's meat.

In Afghanistan the problem that the 5.56 could hit enemy troops at long range but lacked penetration to get through heavy winter clothing or have enough energy left to be fatal all the time led to the modernizing of the M-14 stock and accessories and issued as a "marksman" weapon. I have read some bad mouth it because it isn't a full on sniper rifle but it wasn't meant to be. Not even in designated marksman rifle version. Sniper rifles are for snipers but there are not enough of those for every platoon to have one. Give a tricked out target model M-14 to the two or three best shots in your platoon and they can reach out when the M-16s or esp M-4s can't reliably score or kill enemy troops and you have a very useful thing. Yes those same guys might do even better with a full on sniper rifle but those don't grow on trees and can't go full auto from a bi-pod when needed. I had an M-14 with bi-pod (I "found") and selector. I never got to use it in combat (I was a HQ REMF after all) but in the one range visit while in Nam I could control it in full auto, esp if I did 3-4 shot bursts from prone or a foxhole by using one arm through the sling and leaning my weight into it to hold it down and steady on the bi-pod. I had a lot of field soldiers try to buy or trade for my M-14. Esp guys whose units fought in the highlands and often had to shoot hill/mountain to hill/mountain. One LRRP guy offered me $500 (a lot in the 60s army) and a Swedish Carl Gustav SMG and a pile of mags and 9 mm ammo. He said I could just report it a combat loss. I pointed out I was on guard in a bunker on the perimeter of a large camp and that was as close to regular combat as I would probably get - even during an attack on the compound. Unlikely they would believe me and I was allergic to the stockade and didn't want to go home early to Leavenworth as a guest. He gave up, but his parent unit put in for some M-14s and got approved. Since my unit's armory had lots of extras we supplied them to fill the request. During Tet when a lot of units needed reinforcements/replacements in a hurry and many of the incoming newbies didn't have a weapon we equipped a few hundred of them with M-14s also. We never heard any complaints.

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Aug 18, 2019 06:09:10   #
joehel2 Loc: Cherry Hill, NJ
 
If they are loaded and pointed at a person, they are equally dangerous to that person.

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Aug 18, 2019 06:31:15   #
Huey Driver Loc: Texas
 
controversy wrote:
Wondering if anyone knows if one of these two rifles is more dangerous than the other and why? Should one of them be banned?


Neither is dangerous. Only someone pulling the trigger might be. Look for your self. Both laying there not hurting anyone. Get it through your heads antigunners, guns aren't the problem.

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Aug 18, 2019 08:20:30   #
mrfisher77 Loc: Mayfield Heights, Ohio
 
controversy wrote:
Wondering if anyone knows if one of these two rifles is more dangerous than the other and why? Should one of them be banned?


Haven't posted in a while...I'll bite.

Neither of them need banned. The pink one *can* more dangerous.

Toys should not look like guns and guns should not look like toys. We don't need to paint or color a weapon for marketing purposes (exception for turkey hunting and a camo print weapon). A gun is a weapon and tool that should be respected. When we make them look cartoonish, we lose the respect for what it is capable of.

Having said that, all basic gun rules apply as well as local laws. Get training, join the NRA.

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Aug 18, 2019 08:55:55   #
Longshadow Loc: Audubon, PA, United States
 
controversy wrote:
You nailed it - they are both exactly the same gun mechanism and function exactly the same way but with different "clothes" on. Putting leaves in your hair doesn't make you a tree any more than changing the stock on grandpa's deer rifle makes it an assault weapon.

It is really interesting to witness folks judging a gun on the basis of how it looks and not how it functions. If skin color was the difference it'd be called prejudicial racism.

This line has been attributed to Einstein: The difference between stupidity and genius is that genius has its limits.
You nailed it - they are both exactly the same gun... (show quote)


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Aug 18, 2019 09:25:54   #
yhtomit Loc: Port Land. Oregon
 
repleo wrote:
They should both be banned.


Why?

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Aug 18, 2019 09:30:09   #
Longshadow Loc: Audubon, PA, United States
 
yhtomit wrote:
Why?


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Aug 18, 2019 09:31:06   #
yhtomit Loc: Port Land. Oregon
 
Bill 45 wrote:
BAN BOTH OF THEM. Case closed.


Why?

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