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Sep 8, 2012 20:12:30   #
BigD Loc: The LEFT Coast
 
lorenww wrote:
All I hear is that he left his gear in the car. That should not be the problem.
There are cheap steel burglar alarm enclosures, Modify your car and bolt them down, no pry bar will get them open or remove them from your vehicle.
http://www.webclassifieds.us/734763/Wall-Mount-Alarm-Locking-Box,-Security-Box.html
Bolt one or two in the trunk, problem solved.
Im sure there are other alternatives but this is my solution.
Just pile beach towels and an ice chest on top and it's very discrete. (Pampers may be better).
My two coppers.
All I hear is that he left his gear in the car. Th... (show quote)


Might work, these guys went through the SUV so anything hidden would have been found. They even took his little toiletry bag so he couldn't brush his teeth until he bought a new one. Were gonna make a box that kinda follows the inside dimensions of the Range Rovers cargo area. It won't be too easy to get into what we are planning unless you have a Plasma Cutter or some C4. We want something that is just tall enough for the camera bags but not too tall so a custom box is in order. Stay tuned, when I build it I will post pic's.

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Sep 8, 2012 20:26:45   #
Carioca
 
BigD wrote:
Wow seriously your getting so far off topic its really amazing. He parked it like many people do. He carries expensive things for his job like many people do. It got broken into and stuff was taken like happens all the time. Several other cars were also broken into according to the Police so its amazing that they were all followed to the same place. Apparently Lex Luther was waiting for my friend and several others who don't even know each other along with his henchmen in an old ice creme truck, damn man. I am forced to park wherever all the time and with way more than that sometimes in my car. A box that would require a plasma cutter to get into would probably raise some suspicion from people as they worked on it with the car alarm blaring don't you think? Now do us all a favor and please stop your not convincing me of anything and your point is moot. This thread is about some sort of secure box for camera equipment not whatever you want it to be about. Start your own if you wish but leave mine to what it was intended for.
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Well, let's just think about that for a second. Did the alarm blaring get ANYONE'S attention this time? It's a bit more noticeable than a plasma cutter, don't you think? So if it didn't get the thief caught this time, why do you think it's going to be different next time?

And what happens if they steal the car with the box inside?

You don't need a box to solve this problem. Just a little common sense.

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Sep 8, 2012 20:38:40   #
BigD Loc: The LEFT Coast
 
Carioca wrote:
BigD wrote:
Wow seriously your getting so far off topic its really amazing. He parked it like many people do. He carries expensive things for his job like many people do. It got broken into and stuff was taken like happens all the time. Several other cars were also broken into according to the Police so its amazing that they were all followed to the same place. Apparently Lex Luther was waiting for my friend and several others who don't even know each other along with his henchmen in an old ice creme truck, damn man. I am forced to park wherever all the time and with way more than that sometimes in my car. A box that would require a plasma cutter to get into would probably raise some suspicion from people as they worked on it with the car alarm blaring don't you think? Now do us all a favor and please stop your not convincing me of anything and your point is moot. This thread is about some sort of secure box for camera equipment not whatever you want it to be about. Start your own if you wish but leave mine to what it was intended for.
Wow seriously your getting so far off topic its re... (show quote)


Well, let's just think about that for a second. Did the alarm blaring get ANYONE'S attention this time? It's a bit more noticeable than a plasma cutter, don't you think? So if it didn't get the thief caught this time, why do you think it's going to be different next time?

And what happens if they steal the car with the box inside?

You don't need a box to solve this problem. Just a little common sense.
quote=BigD Wow seriously your getting so far off ... (show quote)


Seriously you can't take a hint huh? WOW common sense yeah buddy?

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Sep 9, 2012 05:26:02   #
2much2carry Loc: Monterey CA
 
You might consider getting one or more bio-hazards material boxes marked with "viruses" -- open only in controlled environment or some such. Add a bio-hazard material warning sign on the outside of the trunk or bumper. Another option is to put the gear under the rear seat of the car, given space, for the optics/camera. Thirdly, leave a "honeypot" camera bag in the trunk containing defective camera junk. Let them be attracted to it to steal.

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Sep 9, 2012 05:34:39   #
workhorse Loc: Nashville, TN
 
Construction business retired here. 20K + tools in truck all the time. Over the years I used two things, A van with no side windows and good alarm system and a Chevy Colorado with a cabhigh topper with no windows; topper had doors on sides for easy access. You have to learn to drive using side mirrors though but with locks and alarms never missed anything. Have lost 15K in one night before the locks and alarms, etc.

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Sep 9, 2012 06:05:39   #
MagicFad Loc: Clermont, FL
 
BigD wrote:
Carioca wrote:
BigD wrote:
Wow seriously your getting so far off topic its really amazing. He parked it like many people do. He carries expensive things for his job like many people do. It got broken into and stuff was taken like happens all the time. Several other cars were also broken into according to the Police so its amazing that they were all followed to the same place. Apparently Lex Luther was waiting for my friend and several others who don't even know each other along with his henchmen in an old ice creme truck, damn man. I am forced to park wherever all the time and with way more than that sometimes in my car. A box that would require a plasma cutter to get into would probably raise some suspicion from people as they worked on it with the car alarm blaring don't you think? Now do us all a favor and please stop your not convincing me of anything and your point is moot. This thread is about some sort of secure box for camera equipment not whatever you want it to be about. Start your own if you wish but leave mine to what it was intended for.
Wow seriously your getting so far off topic its re... (show quote)


Well, let's just think about that for a second. Did the alarm blaring get ANYONE'S attention this time? It's a bit more noticeable than a plasma cutter, don't you think? So if it didn't get the thief caught this time, why do you think it's going to be different next time?

And what happens if they steal the car with the box inside?

You don't need a box to solve this problem. Just a little common sense.
quote=BigD Wow seriously your getting so far off ... (show quote)


Seriously you can't take a hint huh? WOW common sense yeah buddy?
quote=Carioca quote=BigD Wow seriously your gett... (show quote)


Just don't respond to Carioca and he'll quit. You keep giving him fuel to argue with. I learned a long time ago that it takes two to argue and once you start arguing you lose.
Ignore him.

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Sep 9, 2012 06:11:03   #
saichiez Loc: Beautiful Central Oregon
 
If we could fix a few really big things, like the economy and the drug culture, we could get a larger handle on this. Not gonna happen.
So, we can only look for individual solutions.

What may your friend have done wrong? Lot's of discussion here about personal choice.

Physical security of the vehicle... Strongbox...perhaps.

I contend, wrong car/vehicle. Range Rover screams money. To knowledgeable people it also screams stupidity in choice. Notoriously unreliable vehicle that also screams "Conspicuous Consumption". Ever heard that term? It stands for a "slap in the face" poke at lesser class people. Personally I know a person who is a fair to middling mechanic. But he makes a ton of money because he restricts his clientele to people who drive high end vehicles, primarily to flaunt income status or wealth. He makes his biggest income by specializing in Range Rovers. Very high priced, very costly to maintain, and not even a really good vehicle for the wild. Simply a ride to flaunt one's supposed "success".

So, I'm saying your friend WAS in fact targeted... by his choice of vehicle. Furthermore, everybody any more drives SUV's and other vehicles where nothing can be hidden, and a broken window facilitates entry to the entire interior of the vehicle. A sedan with a real trunk is FAR more secure in this respect, and if one has to show off, there are still high end vehicles to be a "Conspicuous Consumer" that also have trunks that lock, and could still have the trunk committed to a lockbox.

To me, the problem in this tale of woe is a security problem. Aside from all else, your friend increased his risk by being WAY TOO visible.

We probably won't see a decrease in this kind of activity until some very out of control social issues are dealt with in our society. So as individuals at risk, it behooves us to handle our own problems. If a risk assessment were done here, I'd put the Range Rover at the top of the list. It's far too insecure physically, and screams out for attention as in "Look at Me. I've arrived at the place of "conspicuous consumption" and have all kinds of money to throw around for maintenance as well".

Change the ride. A place to start.

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Sep 9, 2012 06:21:11   #
chrishove123 Loc: South Wales
 
Bit of a stupid thing to do wasn't it to leave K20s worth of gear in the car. In Britain they even treat you like idiots in car parks with signs telling you not to leave valuables in the car as there are thieves about.

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Sep 9, 2012 07:16:35   #
camerabuff58 Loc: Ontario, Canada,
 
How about in the trunk..out of sight,out of mind.
BigD wrote:
A fellow pro shooter friend of mine was at the Giants Vs. Dodgers game last night in San Francisco (Dodgers lost darn it). While he was in covering the game someone broke into his car and stole some of his gear. He lost a couple of 7D bodies, three "L" series lenses and a bunch of other accessories like some Ipads, Laptop, etc. Luckily his higher end stuff was with him or it would all be gone. All told he figured he lost about $20K worth of gear. He has insurance but still it sucks to have to go and order all new equipment and wait for it to arrive and all that. What got me thinking was that the stuff "still in the car" was more than what most people own all together. It makes you look at your equipment and think about how lucky you are to have such nice gear and also what would happen if you lost it all especially if you make your living with it. I have a dozen shoots in the next month and if I lost all my equipment I would go broke before I could replace it. Honestly I could call buddies and borrow my way through it but the thought of loosing it all sure gets you to thinking. Now we are both considering building an armored box that bolts down in the back of the vehicle that would be hard to get into. I have seen some out there but a custom version that all the camera bags fit into seems very James Bond to us. Any ideas out there fellas? Anyone already built something to stash your gear into? Remember were talking about Pro Shooters who carry a ton of big buck stuff so this box is gonna be pretty big. :wink:
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Sep 9, 2012 07:16:53   #
bobmcculloch Loc: NYC, NY
 
BigD wrote:
Fifty-Fifty wrote:
(((((I have seen some out there but a custom version that all the camera bags fit into seems very James Bond to us. Any ideas out there fellas? Anyone already built something to stash your gear into? Remember were talking about Pro Shooters who carry a ton of big buck stuff so this box is gonna be pretty big)))).......

Heres a idea depending on the size of his vehicle go down to your local walmart or farm store or even check online for a truck toolbox they come in diamond plate aluminum some have hasps others have built in locks,,,you should be able to find one reasonably close to the size you need..hint allways buy the biggest box you have room for ..in my case I use them for tools and never have enough room..same would go for camera equipment ..then you and your friend can get some foam rubber to glue to the bottom and sides, make dividers and whatnot...srry to your friend about loseing his valuables.
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I was thinking the same thing but they are all kinda tall and narrow (front to back). We were envisioning something that was kinda flat like maybe 12 inches tall, a few feet deep, and as wide as the vehicle would allow. Bolt it down and cover it with carpet to match the vehicles and line it like you say. Could be pretty cool and you could still put cargo on top of it.
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You might check hunting and fishing stores, I remember seeing something like that for guns in sport u's, a few years age, perhaps Cabelas catalogue, not so much armor as camoflage, shallow and covered with a carpet similar to the one in the vehicle, Bob.

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Sep 9, 2012 07:21:00   #
mickeys Loc: Fort Wayne, IN
 
before you leave the house and the car is in the garage put the gear that your not using into the trunk not in open view. if you have to go some where else to use the other gear find a "safe" place to change gear. never change gear in front of anybody.

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Sep 9, 2012 07:21:53   #
crimesc324 Loc: West Palm Beach, Florida
 
check out some of the forensic supply companies like Sirchie, they may have premade boxes. Also Galls police supply has steel boxes that fit in S
UV's and trunks of cars that hold equipment and even weapons securely.

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Sep 9, 2012 08:09:46   #
oldmalky Loc: West Midlands,England.
 
Other than having an armoured vehicle all vehicles are a target for breakins,I think a good idea would be to get armoured glass or bullet proof glass installed as that would be a good first line of defence as well as a large steel box bolted/welded in the boot.

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Sep 9, 2012 08:13:54   #
steve_stoneblossom Loc: Rhode Island, USA
 
What's your budget?

I have a pro shooter friend, who also does video work for networks and frequently works in DC and NYC, who outfitted his whole SUV with a steel bar cage. Might not be practical for you, but maybe your friend with the Range Rover if he frequently carries so much.

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Sep 9, 2012 08:17:03   #
Chuy Loc: OUT OF TOWN
 
I would leave all unused gear at home so they can rob it there. At least there they could get something to eat and drink. Show some consideration.

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