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The Bomb That Ended The War In The Pacific Arena. Nagasaki, August 9, 1945
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Aug 7, 2019 14:19:58   #
Anhanga Brasil Loc: Cabo Frio - Brazil
 
OZMON wrote:
America should be ashamed of dropping those bombs, it was a crime against humanity. the Japanese were willing to surrender if the Americans would let them keep their emperor.


I must say that any war outside the borders of any Country
IS a crime against Humanity. Want to fight ? Well, keep it
within your own boundaries.

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Aug 7, 2019 14:40:48   #
Hal81 Loc: Bucks County, Pa.
 
I wonder how many people know that the first atomic bomb was put together under the grandstand seats of the Chicago football field?? They really didn't know what might happen.

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Aug 7, 2019 14:50:30   #
47greyfox Loc: on the edge of the Colorado front range
 
Bill 45 wrote:
That is out and out bull shit. Pressure was build very fast from all side for Truman to end the war with Japan. American solders in Germany were in open mutiny about been ship to Japan. American people wanted their solders back home now. So Truman had to end that war fast. Would using The A-Bomb end the war? Truman had no idea if it would work. Remember when talking or writing about using the A-Bomb in WWII. Your information has to be before 8:00 AM Japan Time August 6, 1945. NOT AFTER.
Was Truman wrong, no way. That war had to be ended.
That is out and out bull shit. Pressure was build ... (show quote)


Saying that my information is BS is in fact BS on your part. Have you ever been to Hiroshima to the memorial and museum? In the museum, there is a chronological giant mural display of the events leading up to and including the dropping of the two bombs. The information about potential Soviet influence is presented along with the eagerness to end the war. Maybe, you'd be wise to investigate your WW2 Pacific history before being so quick to call BS?

http://www.atomicheritage.org/history/debate-over-japanese-surrender

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Aug 7, 2019 14:51:01   #
Retired CPO Loc: Travel full time in an RV
 
Anhanga Brasil wrote:
I must say that any war outside the borders of any Country
IS a crime against Humanity. Want to fight ? Well, keep it
within your own boundaries.


Tell the Germans and the Japanese that.

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Aug 7, 2019 17:40:14   #
Amtrain
 
rmalarz wrote:
OZMON, war in itself is a very hostile and inhumane means of solving differences. The Japanese were quite inhumane in their approach to conducting hostilities, Nanking and The Bataan Death March come to mind. These are only a couple of the best-known examples.

As pointed out, we were also dealing with the possibility of Russia invading Japan. For whatever reason, we did not want that to happen. Personally, I don't think we really looked at them as allies during the war. We were just fighting a common enemy.

The idea of a land invasion of Japan would have been extremely costly on both sides. Thus, it was a difficult, but necessary decision that Pres. Truman made and apparently a correct one, in that it ended things quite quickly.

Do I like the concept of civilians being bombed like that? Not really. But, what other courses of action could we have taken?
--Bob
OZMON, war in itself is a very hostile and inhuman... (show quote)


The US. dropped flyers for days before the bombing telling the citizens that the planes were coming and to get out. We dropped these notices not only over the two cities that inevitably became the targets but over several others that were potential targets. This is a little known fact. It was not as if Japan was not warned.

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Aug 7, 2019 21:29:29   #
pendennis
 
47greyfox wrote:
There was another reason that significantly motivated Truman’s decision to drop the bombs. The allies were concerned about Russia’s aggressive dominance of Eastern European countries as the war there ended. There was a genuine concern that Russia saw a post war influence opportunity in Japan as well. Therefore, the allies felt it imperative to end the war with Japan before Russia established a presence. Speculation and intelligence that Russia planned soon to declare war on Japan at any time was seen by many as a prime motivator to move quickly. That declaration came on August 8th.
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A gentleman I worked with back in the 1980's, spoke fluent Russian. He was in the Army and was on the first plane landing in Japan after their August surrender. He was personally ordered by General MacArthur to inform the Soviets they were to get back on their transports and go from whence they came. They were not allowed back into Japan until some time later. This gentleman loved getting to tell Soviet staff and general officers how things were going to be done. He was a native of Poland, and fled from there in the 1930's to come to the U.S. I think he got a real kick out of pi$$ing off the Soviets.

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Aug 7, 2019 22:04:44   #
Retired CPO Loc: Travel full time in an RV
 
Amtrain wrote:
The US. dropped flyers for days before the bombing telling the citizens that the planes were coming and to get out. We dropped these notices not only over the two cities that inevitably became the targets but over several others that were potential targets. This is a little known fact. It was not as if Japan was not warned.


That's true, and did they evacuate the American and other nationality prisoners of war from the drop zones? No, they did not. Fact.

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Aug 7, 2019 22:24:03   #
boberic Loc: Quiet Corner, Connecticut. Ex long Islander
 
mas24 wrote:
The Bataan Death March was just one of the many atrocities that the Japanese Army inflicted on the civilians of the Philippines. They stole all their food and money. Threw them out of their homes, and occupied them. And raped the women, incessantly. I heard this from Phillipinos, who are now deceased. Who immigrated to California, after the war was over.


It's actually very worse than that..Treatment of American POW's by japan was quantum leaps beyond cruel. POW's were burned to death with gasoline Prisoners were beheaded and then EATEN. Yes EATEN. They were treated as slaves and were worked to death. By comparison American POW's captured by the Germans lived in luxury. This history is not told to the Japanese children, they are totally unaware of the japanese cruelty in WW2.

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Aug 8, 2019 00:26:01   #
Nikoneer
 
OZMON wrote:
America should be ashamed of dropping those bombs, it was a crime against humanity. the Japanese were willing to surrender if the Americans would let them keep their emperor.


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Aug 8, 2019 07:57:13   #
SonyBug
 
rmalarz wrote:
OZMON, war in itself is a very hostile and inhumane means of solving differences. The Japanese were quite inhumane in their approach to conducting hostilities, Nanking and The Bataan Death March come to mind. These are only a couple of the best-known examples.

As pointed out, we were also dealing with the possibility of Russia invading Japan. For whatever reason, we did not want that to happen. Personally, I don't think we really looked at them as allies during the war. We were just fighting a common enemy.

The idea of a land invasion of Japan would have been extremely costly on both sides. Thus, it was a difficult, but necessary decision that Pres. Truman made and apparently a correct one, in that it ended things quite quickly.

Do I like the concept of civilians being bombed like that? Not really. But, what other courses of action could we have taken?
--Bob
OZMON, war in itself is a very hostile and inhuman... (show quote)


Went to China last year and I assure you that they still feel Nanking emotionally.

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Aug 8, 2019 09:34:43   #
rpavich Loc: West Virginia
 
Retired CPO wrote:
That's non-sense. We are proud of it and would do it again if need be...I hope. What the Japanese did in WWII was a crime against humanity. I suppose the bombing of Dresden in Germany while pulling the Brits' fat out of the fire was also a crime against humanity? You're welcome by the way.


True.

Total boloney.

Another person trying to second guess history.

Maybe he'll find a safe space and weep.

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Aug 8, 2019 09:39:12   #
rpavich Loc: West Virginia
 
Anhanga Brasil wrote:
I must say that any war outside the borders of any Country
IS a crime against Humanity. Want to fight ? Well, keep it
within your own boundaries.


B.S.

Hogwash.

This is the dumbest like of reasoning that I can think of.

"Don't protect your house by going outside to stop the looters and murderers before they break your door down...just let them invade your street, kill all of the neighbors, burn their houses to the ground in peace and just sit patiently and wait for the crunch of your front door being smashed in. To go out in the street to protect your family is a crime against humanity...."

Hopefully that illustration was simple enough for you to understand.

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Aug 8, 2019 09:51:07   #
duane klipping Loc: Bristow iowa
 
Retired CPO wrote:
My Dad was in the Pacific war. As a frogman, he would have probably been one of the first in the invasion, one of the first killed and I wouldn't be here writing this... I was stationed in Japan in the Navy 30 years later. I saw both drop sites, they were very sobering, and I have no regrets about either one of them. I was also stationed in the Philippines. If you want to see, as closely as possible 30 years later, the Japanese in action in the war in the Pacific, go to the Philippines. I travelled the Bataan Death March Trail. It was very sobering, and I have no regrets about either bomb.
My Dad was in the Pacific war. As a frogman, he wo... (show quote)


Wow. I could respond to this in many ways but will remain civil. Sad you can't see this correctly. As a nation we had the power to take so much but as a people we had the humanity to not do so. The difference between the United States and Japan and Germany is pretty clear. We were never the aggressor and were provoked into the war by the bombing of Pearl Harbor. No regrets here either and you should be ashamed of your comment as your county could be under different rule today where you could never speak out as you are here. You earned a block from me as I never wish to read a post from you again.

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Aug 8, 2019 09:52:35   #
duane klipping Loc: Bristow iowa
 
Nikoneer wrote:
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Aug 8, 2019 10:26:37   #
Paladin48 Loc: Orlando
 
rpavich wrote:
B.S.

Hogwash.

This is the dumbest like of reasoning that I can think of.

"Don't protect your house by going outside to stop the looters and murderers before they break your door down...just let them invade your street, kill all of the neighbors, burn their houses to the ground in peace and just sit patiently and wait for the crunch of your front door being smashed in. To go out in the street to protect your family is a crime against humanity...."

Hopefully that illustration was simple enough for you to understand.
B.S. br br Hogwash. br br This is the dumbest li... (show quote)



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