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Jul 31, 2019 08:34:06   #
rond-photography Loc: Connecticut
 
rmalarz wrote:
What cameras were mirrorless in the past?
--Bob


Any point and shoot, view cameras, range finders, TLR's. :)

I think it will be a while before the DSLR is abandoned. Too many people using it and they can still sell them. The manufacturers just need to reduce the selection. How many flavors that taste nearly the same can you sell at one time?

I shoot mirrorless, but I didn't choose it because of that feature. It was simply the best choice for me at the time after I considered all the features, options and pricing. In the end, when choosing a system, the question that needs to be answered is "Will this system do what I need for the price I am willing to pay?". After that, just go make photographs and don't look back at what equipment is out there.

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Jul 31, 2019 08:42:32   #
rmorrison1116 Loc: Near Valley Forge, Pennsylvania
 
khorinek wrote:
Yes, I believe SLR's will be obsolete in 10 years. As soon as the camera Manufactures figure out how to design a mirrorless camera that takes 14 fps the 1DX II will be replaced by mirrorless and that will be the end of SLR's. For Canon, the 1DX II is the only body left to not have a mirrorless twin. The 6D II is being replaced by the EOS RP, the 5D Mark IV is being replaced by the EOS R and the crop bodies are being replaced by the M50 and M100 models. Since getting my EOS RP's, my 5D Mark III and IV have gone unused. It's just a matter of time.
Yes, I believe SLR's will be obsolete in 10 years.... (show quote)


I think you may be a little behind on your reading. There are several MILC'S that shoot faster than 14 fps. This alone doesn't make a 1DX II obsolete. I'd much rather have a 1DX II in the field than an EOS R simply because the 1DX II is a much better built camera. Same goes for the 5D mk IV.
The biggest thing I like about my M50 is the Viltrox EF to EOS M adapter with the 0.71X magnification factor. It turns the APS-C camera into a virtual full frame. Best of both worlds.
You are correct about it's just a matter of time. But as I've stated before, as long as there is a profitable market for DSLR cameras, manufacturers will continue to make them.

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Jul 31, 2019 08:54:15   #
rmorrison1116 Loc: Near Valley Forge, Pennsylvania
 
rond-photography wrote:
Any point and shoot, view cameras, range finders, TLR's. :)

I think it will be a while before the DSLR is abandoned. Too many people using it and they can still sell them. The manufacturers just need to reduce the selection. How many flavors that taste nearly the same can you sell at one time?

I shoot mirrorless, but I didn't choose it because of that feature. It was simply the best choice for me at the time after I considered all the features, options and pricing. In the end, when choosing a system, the question that needs to be answered is "Will this system do what I need for the price I am willing to pay?". After that, just go make photographs and don't look back at what equipment is out there.
Any point and shoot, view cameras, range finders, ... (show quote)


That's how I feel any why I didn't but an EOS R. After doing the research I concluded that yes, there are definite advantages to the EOS R, but is it really worth it to me to shell out another 2 grand to replace a perfectly good camera I paid over $3400 for and the newer camera won't really give me better quality images. Plus with the Canon title sponsorship of the 2020 Olympics, who knows what amazing technology they will be bringing to market.

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Jul 31, 2019 09:01:06   #
khorinek
 
rmorrison1116 wrote:
I think you may be a little behind on your reading. There are several MILC'S that shoot faster than 14 fps. This alone doesn't make a 1DX II obsolete. I'd much rather have a 1DX II in the field than an EOS R simply because the 1DX II is a much better built camera. Same goes for the 5D mk IV.
The biggest thing I like about my M50 is the Viltrox EF to EOS M adapter with the 0.71X magnification factor. It turns the APS-C camera into a virtual full frame. Best of both worlds.
You are correct about it's just a matter of time. But as I've stated before, as long as there is a profitable market for DSLR cameras, manufacturers will continue to make them.
I think you may be a little behind on your reading... (show quote)


Agreed, I guess what I meant was, as soon as they figure out a Mirrorless replacement for the 1DX II, it too will be replaced by mirrorless. The difference between DSLR's and Mirrorless is the mirror on DSLR's which IMO is a "weak point" of the entire system. Any moving part is subject to wearing out or breaking. Eliminating moving parts will create a camera that will/should last longer and be more reliable. Technology is rapidly progressing. The other stuff that comes with new cameras, such as EVF, Digic 8 Processors, etc, will come along regardless, as technology improves.

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Jul 31, 2019 09:02:34   #
gvarner Loc: Central Oregon Coast
 
Computational imaging is the future. The hardware devices will all use some level of computational imaging to render the photo.

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Jul 31, 2019 09:13:38   #
Bill_de Loc: US
 
gvarner wrote:
Computational imaging is the future. The hardware devices will all use some level of computational imaging to render the photo.


Don't they do that now?

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Jul 31, 2019 09:21:04   #
dsmeltz Loc: Philadelphia
 
gvarner wrote:
Computational imaging is the future. The hardware devices will all use some level of computational imaging to render the photo.


Computational imaging has limitations. Especially those based on taking multiple images (which is nearly all of them). At this point resulting images have very good results for stationary objects. However, the portions containing moving objects, even very slight movement like the leaves on trees on a clam day, calm water surfaces or the wisps of hair are pretty weak.

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Jul 31, 2019 09:29:44   #
ADKphotography
 
Those new fangled automobiles ...they will never replace my horse ! Things my grand father said !

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Jul 31, 2019 09:37:01   #
TriX Loc: Raleigh, NC
 
khorinek wrote:
...is the mirror on DSLR's which IMO is a "weak point" of the entire system. Any moving part is subject to wearing out or breaking. Eliminating moving parts will create a camera that will/should last longer and be more reliable..


You would think so, but the DSLR’s mirror system has become so well developed that it is not much of a reliability factor in actual use. When I sold my Canon 5D3, it had >240,000 actuations and still functioned perfectly.

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Jul 31, 2019 09:38:19   #
gvarner Loc: Central Oregon Coast
 
Bill_de wrote:
Don't they do that now?

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Yes they do, cellphones the most, mirrorless next, DSLR's last. The future is when they all have the same amount of computational imaging. Or perhaps when mechanical actions like shutters and apertures and zooming have been replaced by various sensors and apps.

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Jul 31, 2019 09:47:37   #
rmorrison1116 Loc: Near Valley Forge, Pennsylvania
 
gvarner wrote:
Computational imaging is the future. The hardware devices will all use some level of computational imaging to render the photo.


I'm not sure what you mean by computational but, pretty much all modern digital cameras contain one or more micro processors, little tiny computers on a chip if you will, and many AF lenses also have on board micro processors as do many speed lights. So, wouldn't that mean there's a lot of computational stuff going on now?! You have heard of CGI I presume!

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Jul 31, 2019 09:49:50   #
rmorrison1116 Loc: Near Valley Forge, Pennsylvania
 
gvarner wrote:
Yes they do, cellphones the most, mirrorless next, DSLR's last. The future is when they all have the same amount of computational imaging. Or perhaps when mechanical actions like shutters and apertures and zooming have been replaced by various sensors and apps.


Cell phone cameras are mirrorless cameras.

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Jul 31, 2019 09:51:42   #
billnikon Loc: Pennsylvania/Ohio/Florida/Maui/Oregon/Vermont
 
dsmeltz wrote:
"the functional difference between DSLR'S and MILC'S is NOT how they record the image, it is how they view the image before it is recorded" and that difference can allow better focus operation and more precise control when selecting settings, which can result in the camera making a better image.



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Jul 31, 2019 10:01:01   #
rmorrison1116 Loc: Near Valley Forge, Pennsylvania
 
ADKphotography wrote:
Those new fangled automobiles ...they will never replace my horse ! Things my grand father said !


How old are you? My grand father was born in the late 19th century, grew up on a dairy farm and as a young man, drove a delivery truck delivering products from the dairy farm.

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Jul 31, 2019 10:05:18   #
camerapapi Loc: Miami, Fl.
 
These are my personal observations. In the first place I agree that a majority of cameras in the past were mirrorless if anyone remember rangefinder cameras. I believe that in the near future the majority of the cameras made will be mirrorless. The technologies in mirrorless cameras are superior to those in dSLR bodies.

If anyone has never traveled with a mirrorless camera I am going to say that you do not know what convenience is. Small bodies, lighter, usually smaller lenses. There is a big difference carrying a dSLR all day and a mirrorless. To me the mirrorless wins.
I can only speak on my behalf and with my Olympus cameras using Panasonic and Olympus lenses I have been very satisfied with the quality images I get. I just enlarged a file from Sedona to 12x18 inches, my usual enlargements and all of the details are there with outstanding and beautiful colors and my cameras only have 17 Mp.

I believe mirrorless cameras are very capable and I am not saying sell your dSLR and embrace mirrorless technology. I have my dSLR bodies and I used them all the time but my mirrorless bodies also see good use.

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