Very thoughful if your a believer others can just ignore
Jul 25, 2019 16:38:08 #
Jul 25, 2019 16:56:27 #
Sorry, but I can never forgive the illegal that killed my grandson. Guess that makes me a horrible person, so be it.
Jul 25, 2019 17:18:31 #
Bill Munny wrote:
Sorry, but I can never forgive the illegal that killed my grandson. Guess that makes me a horrible person, so be it.
Many would feel as you do. I don't think it necessarily makes you a bad person. Hopefully time will heal and one day maybe you can forgive.
Jul 25, 2019 17:30:49 #
Jul 25, 2019 17:58:59 #
revhen wrote:
Theology on photography forum? Appropriate?
What part of General Chit-Chat (non-photography talk) did you not understand?
On this sub-forum more or less anything goes and if it gets out of hand it gets moved to "The Attic".
Jul 25, 2019 21:31:08 #
whlsdn
Loc: Colorado
Huey Driver wrote:
Very thoughful if your a believer others can just ignore
I find it interesting, thoughtful.
Jul 25, 2019 21:41:39 #
whlsdn
Loc: Colorado
Bill Munny wrote:
Sorry, but I can never forgive the illegal that killed my grandson. Guess that makes me a horrible person, so be it.
Although we may all be called upon to be that forgiving, Bill, I suspect very few of us succeed and many never care to try. If you're horrible, you're part of a huge crowd, I'm sure. My regrets for the events and your family's inevitable suffering. The kind of experience we all fear. My next door neighbor's son was stabbed to death in our local park, and I have observed the lifelong impacts of such awfulness.
I think the illustration relates more to forgiveness available to you or me, though. For instance, forgiveness for your inability to forgive a fiendish action.
Jul 26, 2019 00:33:38 #
whlsdn wrote:
Although we may all be called upon to be that forg... (show quote)
I hope that is the case and I can accept that.
Jul 26, 2019 09:10:40 #
Bill Munny wrote:
I hope that is the case and I can accept that.
It isn't.
It DOES mean what it says; that we are to forgive others just as we have been forgiven.
If we realize fully how dark our own hearts are and the fact that we deserve to be punished in Hell 1000 times over for our crimes against an infinitely Holy God, then we'd realize that the murderer doesn't differ from us at all. We are only stopped from being murderers by God's restraining hand.
Add to that our desire should be to see humans be saved then we should pray for that person, not nurse hatred for them.
The mark of a Christian is our ability to forgive.
Jul 26, 2019 09:14:00 #
whlsdn wrote:
Although we may all be called upon to be that forgiving, Bill, I suspect very few of us succeed and many never care to try.
We are commanded not called upon.
We should succeed and if we never care to try then we are sinning against God and should repent.
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If you're horrible, you're part of a huge crowd, I'm sure.
Comparing oneself to other horrible sinners isn't very wise at all.
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My regrets for the events and your family's inevitable suffering. The kind of experience we all fear. My next door neighbor's son was stabbed to death in our local park, and I have observed the lifelong impacts of such awfulness.
I have too. We live in a sinful, fallen world and if it weren't for God's restraining us, we'd all make Hitler look like an eagle scout.
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I think the illustration relates more to forgiveness available to you or me, though. For instance, forgiveness for your inability to forgive a fiendish action.
Not even close.
The text means what it says; that we are commanded to forgive others who do us harm.
Period.
Jul 26, 2019 13:14:21 #
Christians and other faiths are told to forgive people.
Once I heard someone ask a panel of clergy "What if I say I forgive them but don't really mean it?"
One of the answers was:
"Keep saying it and acting as if you have forgiven them even when you don't mean it and one day when you are saying it you will realize God has guided you to the point where it is the truth and you have forgiven them."
It has long been known that doing things like that works. The military does it with recruits. Make them dress like soldiers, act like soldiers, talk like soldiers, talk to them like they are soldiers and one day they find they think like and are soldiers all on their own.
Once I heard someone ask a panel of clergy "What if I say I forgive them but don't really mean it?"
One of the answers was:
"Keep saying it and acting as if you have forgiven them even when you don't mean it and one day when you are saying it you will realize God has guided you to the point where it is the truth and you have forgiven them."
It has long been known that doing things like that works. The military does it with recruits. Make them dress like soldiers, act like soldiers, talk like soldiers, talk to them like they are soldiers and one day they find they think like and are soldiers all on their own.
Jul 26, 2019 14:04:35 #
rpavich wrote:
Not even close.
The text means what it says; that we are commanded to forgive others who do us harm.
Period.
The text means what it says; that we are commanded to forgive others who do us harm.
Period.
Now hell fire and brimstone have been released. I haven't heard this amount of old world dragon fire since I was a kid and the preacher was out of state so one of the old Lay (sp?) Ministers got to give the sermon. I thought the whole church was going to burn down and all of us (sinner all) were going to hang from the gates of hell.
So, I will burn in hell forever, but that dog that killed my son is burning in jail every day and I get that pleasure of knowing he is caged up like the animal he is and will forever be.
I have fought in two wars, so I am not perfect but there are a few very nasty people who will never again see the sun rise courtesy of my gun (see, it is the gun's fault). I do not feel sorry for them or me. I have no remorse. Just like the mooslums who cut the christians' heads off. I rode a pale horse. I have a "Don't tread on me" flag. I am a patriot. So I am the ultimate sinner. You had better pray for me, seems that is what you think I need.
I'll bet this will get some really nasty responses.
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Jul 27, 2019 00:12:06 #
I like it, H.D.!!
This thread has gone far afield of the simple post that H.D. meant it to be, that the Cross of Christ provides salvation for us. All that is required of us it that we repent and believe.
This thread has gone far afield of the simple post that H.D. meant it to be, that the Cross of Christ provides salvation for us. All that is required of us it that we repent and believe.
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