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Jul 25, 2019 08:20:18   #
mikeroetex Loc: Lafayette, LA
 
Ddakin56 wrote:
Ok so I am new to this forum so please be kind, lol. I currently have a nikon D3200. This camera has been a good one and I have had no problems but I am thinking I need to upgrade.

I have grandchildren in several sports and I thoroughly enjoy taking wildlife shots. But at the same time I take a lot of family photos as well.

I am an enthusiast and far from a professional so I am looking for recommendations.

I have been researching the D500 and D750, but I am open to all suggestions.

Thank you in advance
Ok so I am new to this forum so please be kind, lo... (show quote)

Don't listen to the naysayers and get a D500. I have both and shoot much of what you do, primarily grandkids. The frames per second, buffer capacity and focus modes alone leave you current camera in th dust.
I use the D750 sometimes for family portraits, but mostly night sky photography.
P.S. all your DX lenses will work on the D500 and any FX you may add.

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Jul 25, 2019 08:43:46   #
Low Budget Dave
 
The camera you have is a good camera. Before I looked into newer cameras, I would first look at other lenses. If you are shooting with just the "kit lens", then that will usually the limiting factor in many (if not most) of your photos.

Start with a 50mm prime (or a 35 mm prime) and practice with that. There are good fast primes available for the D3200 that are much cheaper than a new camera. Once you get the feel for exactly what type of lens you want to use most often, that will direct your choice of next camera.

For example, if you really want to shoot in low light with low noise, then either of the cameras you mentioned will let you shoot in lower light with lower noise. But they will not make as much of a difference as you will get from shooting at F1.8 instead of F3.4.

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Jul 25, 2019 09:27:07   #
jerryc41 Loc: Catskill Mts of NY
 
Ddakin56 wrote:
Ok so I am new to this forum so please be kind, lol. I currently have a nikon D3200. This camera has been a good one and I have had no problems but I am thinking I need to upgrade.

I have grandchildren in several sports and I thoroughly enjoy taking wildlife shots. But at the same time I take a lot of family photos as well.

I am an enthusiast and far from a professional so I am looking for recommendations.

I have been researching the D500 and D750, but I am open to all suggestions.

Thank you in advance
Ok so I am new to this forum so please be kind, lo... (show quote)


The D500 has been discontinued, if that matters to you.

The D750 is a great camera. Be good to yourself and buy one. Get the excellent video from CreativeLive to learn how to use it.
https://www.creativelive.com/courses/fast-start-nikon-d750-john-greengo

Also -
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KmYJuCZiJWE
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dpzvfvroCgA
http://photoinduced.com/13037/nikon-d750-a-lot-to-love-in-a-smaller-package/
https://www.creativelive.com/catalog/photography?via=photography_search&q=d750
https://photographylife.com/recommended-nikon-d750-settings

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Jul 25, 2019 09:29:55   #
MT Shooter Loc: Montana
 
jerryc41 wrote:


The D500 is a current production model and far from discontinued.
The D750 went out of production in April 2019 and will likely see a replacement model announced at Photokina in September.

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Jul 25, 2019 10:38:10   #
Blair Shaw Jr Loc: Dunnellon,Florida
 
zug55 wrote:
You do not state what kind of DX lenses you have and if you want to keep them. If you have good DX lenses the D500 is the best choice. The D750 is a full-frame camera.

If you do not have lenses you want to use in the future I would search more widely. Specifically, I would look at mirrorless systems that pretty much outperform DSLRs these days. If you want to stay with a cropped sensor system I would look at the Sony A6400 or A6500. For full frame the Sony A7 series are industry leaders.

You might start with the question why you want to upgrade and what you want to achieve (and what your budget is), and then do some research to find out what works for you.
You do not state what kind of DX lenses you have a... (show quote)


AMEN BROTHER

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Jul 25, 2019 10:43:15   #
dsmeltz Loc: Philadelphia
 
Ddakin56 wrote:
Ok so I am new to this forum so please be kind, lol. I currently have a nikon D3200. This camera has been a good one and I have had no problems but I am thinking I need to upgrade.

I have grandchildren in several sports and I thoroughly enjoy taking wildlife shots. But at the same time I take a lot of family photos as well.

I am an enthusiast and far from a professional so I am looking for recommendations.

I have been researching the D500 and D750, but I am open to all suggestions.

Thank you in advance
Ok so I am new to this forum so please be kind, lo... (show quote)


Why are you "thinking I need to upgrade"? What are you not getting from your current set up? Some short comings are solved by upgrading the camera, some by a lens and most by developing skill.

Determine what your problem is before you seek a solution.

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Jul 25, 2019 10:53:57   #
BuckeyeBilly Loc: St. Petersburg, FL
 
Ddakin56 wrote:
Ok so I am new to this forum so please be kind, lol. I currently have a nikon D3200. This camera has been a good one and I have had no problems but I am thinking I need to upgrade.

I have grandchildren in several sports and I thoroughly enjoy taking wildlife shots. But at the same time I take a lot of family photos as well.

I am an enthusiast and far from a professional so I am looking for recommendations.

I have been researching the D500 and D750, but I am open to all suggestions.

Thank you in advance
Ok so I am new to this forum so please be kind, lo... (show quote)


First, you really need to respond to some of the questions being asked of you; for example, how much money can you spend as well as what lenses you currently have. Second, I think you would be better off putting your money in better, faster lenses. The D3200 is a very fine camera so just upgrade your lenses. Believe me, you'll notice the difference right away.

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Jul 25, 2019 11:07:43   #
burkphoto Loc: High Point, NC
 
Ddakin56 wrote:
Ok so I am new to this forum so please be kind, lol. I currently have a nikon D3200. This camera has been a good one and I have had no problems but I am thinking I need to upgrade.

I have grandchildren in several sports and I thoroughly enjoy taking wildlife shots. But at the same time I take a lot of family photos as well.

I am an enthusiast and far from a professional so I am looking for recommendations.

I have been researching the D500 and D750, but I am open to all suggestions.

Thank you in advance
Ok so I am new to this forum so please be kind, lo... (show quote)


For sports and wildlife and fast changing action, there is nothing more responsive in a Nikon DX body than the D500. I would not use a D750 for that, if I could choose anything. The 750 is better for slower moving subjects. And it needs full frame lenses for best results.

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Jul 25, 2019 11:21:06   #
amfoto1 Loc: San Jose, Calif. USA
 
Ddakin56 wrote:
Ok so I am new to this forum so please be kind, lol. I currently have a nikon D3200. This camera has been a good one and I have had no problems but I am thinking I need to upgrade.

I have grandchildren in several sports and I thoroughly enjoy taking wildlife shots. But at the same time I take a lot of family photos as well.

I am an enthusiast and far from a professional so I am looking for recommendations.

I have been researching the D500 and D750, but I am open to all suggestions.

Thank you in advance
Ok so I am new to this forum so please be kind, lo... (show quote)


First, unless you plan to make really large prints or do a lot of available light, low light shooting, I'd recommend you stick with a DX camera. To "step up" to an FX camera, like the D750, and get the best out of the camera you will also need to replace any and all DX lenses. FX lenses will necessarily be bigger, heavier and more expensive too. This will be especially noticeable for wildlife photography. If you use a 300mm lens on your D3200 for wildlife now... with D750 you'll need a 450mm or longer telephoto to be able to frame subjects the same way. If you use a 400mm lens now on your D3200, you'll need a 600mm on the D750. Any shorter focal length DX lenses you use now also would need to be replaced with full frame-capable FX lenses. So if you decide to buy into "full frame" FX, be sure to allow plenty of budget to buy lenses too. And plan to have a much bigger and heavier kit of gear to haul around.

For the above reasons, I'd recommend you stick with a DX camera. That leaves the D500 and other as possibilities.

The D500 is a very nice camera, but even on sale right now for $1500 it's one of the most expensive cameras of it's type. It's highly capable, but is geared more toward pro shooters and quite likely "more camera than you need". More pro oriented cameras tend to be more complex and have less automation to assist less experienced users.

Less expensive and a notch below the D500, but still very significant steps up from D3200, are the D7200 and D7500.

For general use, the D7200 is an excellent choice that has recently been offered at very significant discounts... that's both good and bad. It's sold out many places now... and might not ever be restocked. If you cant find new, but do find one used or refurbished, I'd recommend you grab it! It's selling for around $700.... less than half the price of the D500.

Compare D7200 with your D3200: https://cameradecision.com/compare/Nikon-D3200-vs-Nikon-D7200

D7200 is an upgrade over D3200 in almost every possible way, even though it's only a little over 2 years newer. Most notably, for sports the AF system is much higher performance. It's also got faster frame rate and a higher specification shutter. The D7200 would be a great general purpose camera and better at sports/action/wildlife than your current camera. It's also got the top rated image sensor of any recent Nikon DX camera... with the widest dynamic range, excellent low light capabilities and 24MP resolution.

If your priority were sports/action photography, the D7500 is sort of a "D500 Lite" and is selling for about $900 right now.

Compare with your D3200: https://cameradecision.com/compare/Nikon-D3200-vs-Nikon-D7500

At first glance the D7500's AF system appears to be the same as the D7200's, but is actually a newer version with a few improvements. The D7500 also has faster frame rate than the D7200. And it's also got an articulated LCD Touch Screen, which the D7200 lacks. But the D7200 has dual memory card slots, which the D7500 lacks... And the D7500 uses a lower resolution 21MP sensor that doesn't have quite the dynamic range or low light capability as the D7200.

The D7500 is sort of a replacement for the D7200.... but it's not quite. If it were me, I'd pick the D7500 if sports/action were my emphasis. Sure, the D7200 can shoot sports too... As can your D3200. But the D7500 would be better at it. For more general use, the D7200 is very capable, with higher resolution and slightly better images qualities. D7200 would be a significant step up from your D3200 for sports/action... just not quite as much as the D7500 (or, even further, the D500).

Compare D7200 ($700) versus D7500 ($900) in more detail: https://cameradecision.com/compare/Nikon-D7200-vs-Nikon-D7500

Compare D7200 to D500 ($1500): https://cameradecision.com/compare/Nikon-D500-vs-Nikon-D7200

Compare D7500 to D500: https://cameradecision.com/compare/Nikon-D500-vs-Nikon-D7500

Unless you really, really need the speed of the D7500.... or, for that matter, the D500.... to me the D7200 is the best value! Rather than spending $1500 on a D500 (or $1500 for a D750, plus any lenses that makes necessary)... $700 for a D7200 would be a big upgrade that leaves you with $800 or more in your pocket to spend going places to take shots or on other gear you may need. (Lens upgrades or additions often have much greater effect on one's photography, than a camera upgrade does. Got a good tripod? Got a good flash?)

EDIT:

jerryc41 wrote:
The D500 has been discontinued, if that matters to you....


Huh? Where did you see that? I know the D7200 is a discontinued model (supposedly, but IMO not really superseded by D7500). I have heard the FX D750 is also now discontinued, though I don't know if this is "official" yet. AFAIK, both D500 and D7500 are still in production.

Not that it matters very much, unless you need to have repairs done some years from now. There is no guarantee, but a camera still in production today is likely to still be serviced and repairable for longer than a camera that's been discontinued. A lot depends upon the stock of replacement parts, though. Thanks to adequate supply versus demand, I've seen some lenses and cameras remain repairable for a decade or more after being discontinued. But I've also seen some instances where spare parts ran out quickly and a lens or camera was no longer considered serviceable by the rhe manufacturer just a couple years after it was discontinued. Even then, it might be possible to have repair work done on the item at an independent shop.

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Jul 25, 2019 11:25:25   #
Ched49 Loc: Pittsburgh, Pa.
 
The 7 year old D3200 has as much or more pixels than any professional Nikon DSLR with the exeption of the D8xx series. The only difference is, the mid and pro range models may make it easier to take pictures. But if money was on object, I'd go for the D500.

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Jul 25, 2019 11:36:04   #
mikeroetex Loc: Lafayette, LA
 
MT Shooter wrote:
The D500 is a current production model and far from discontinued.
The D750 went out of production in April 2019 and will likely see a replacement model announced at Photokina in September.

Thank you!
Too many people on this board quote nikonrumors.com, as fact. There is a reason the site is called "rumors!"

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Jul 25, 2019 12:36:45   #
dick ranez
 
You'll get a better return on your money by buying a telephoto lens for your sports and wildlife photos. All the Nikon crop bodies have basically same sensor, and the more expensive ones only give you ruggedness, speed on multiple exposures and more expense. If you "have" to upgrade your body, get the best one you can afford.

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Jul 25, 2019 12:49:19   #
burkphoto Loc: High Point, NC
 
dick ranez wrote:
You'll get a better return on your money by buying a telephoto lens for your sports and wildlife photos. All the Nikon crop bodies have basically same sensor, and the more expensive ones only give you ruggedness, speed on multiple exposures and more expense. If you "have" to upgrade your body, get the best one you can afford.


Don't forget the crucial "click to clunk" time — the time it takes to get from a shutter button press to an open shutter. It is significantly faster on newer and higher end models. That's irrelevant for landscapes, but important for sports, birds in flight, playing children... other fast-moving events.

The D500 was designed from the start to be a sports, wildlife, and photojournalist photographer's camera.

The viewfinders of Nikon's lesser grade models are pentamirror, not pentaprism designs. Pentamirror viewfinders are significantly darker than pentaprisms. If you have any issues with low light vision, the D500 will help minimize them.

There are other significant differences, but these might matter to someone like the OP.

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Jul 25, 2019 13:04:19   #
toxdoc42
 
Gene51 wrote:
I was at the point you're at in 2009, when, after using a D70S, then a D200 and a D300 - I got a D700 full frame camera. Simply put, the D700 was a lot better for all of the shooting you do, particularly wildlife and birds. Low light capability, considerably less noise, better autofocus performance - all contributed to a higher degree of satisfaction with my shooting, and nicer "stuff" hanging on my walls and higher sales in the galleries that hung my work as well.

The D3200 is a nice camera and capable of excellent images. But full frame will give you more options and better image quality. The downside is higher weight, greater bulk and and higher cost. It's pretty easy to spot a print made from a crop sensor camera vs a full frame camera. However, I will likely suggest a used D800 or a D810 over a D750. I don't subscribe to the concept that a crop sensor camera is preferable to a full frame camera for sports and wildlife. I wouldn't trade my D800 or D810 for a D500 ever. And if you look at my images on flickr it will all make sense.

https://www.flickr.com/photos/gene_lugo/albums

A fun camera to have is the Sony RX10M4 - which has one of the fastest responding autofocus systems I have ever used, besting a D4 and a D5, and it has a Zeiss lens that provides a field of view equivalent to a 24mm - 600mm at max fstop of F2.4 to F4.

My experience with this Sony and a borrowed A6500 - for wildlife and fast-moving subjects - make Sony a strong recommendation as well. Until recently lens offerings were a bit sparse, but now both the quality and selection has improved significantly.

If you want a change, then go for it! Lots of good choices out there - but these are my favorites.
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I have never heard/seen anyone make your statement that you can spot a photo made with a crop sensor camera before. Where did that come from? It doesn't make sense scientifically.

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Jul 25, 2019 13:08:22   #
toxdoc42
 
amfoto1 wrote:
Huh? Where did you see that? I know the D7200 is a discontinued model (supposedly, but IMO not really superseded by D7500). I have heard the FX D750 is also now discontinued, though I don't know if this is "official" yet. AFAIK, both D500 and D7500 are still in production.

Not that it matters very much, unless you need to have repairs done some years from now. There is no guarantee, but a camera still in production today is likely to still be serviced and repairable for longer than a camera that's been discontinued. A lot depends upon the stock of replacement parts, though. Thanks to adequate supply versus demand, I've seen some lenses and cameras remain repairable for a decade or more after being discontinued. But I've also seen some instances where spare parts ran out quickly and a lens or camera was no longer considered serviceable by the rhe manufacturer just a couple years after it was discontinued. Even then, it might be possible to have repair work done on the item at an independent shop.
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I believe in the USA, there is a federal law requiring manufacturer support for a certain number of years after a model is discontinued. Nikon cameras come with, I believe, a 5 year warrantee, and if you use some credit cards, they allegedly add on another year. My hunch is that a camera which is not abused, should last much longer than that. When I traded my F2 in, it was still a very functional camera after over 45 years of use.

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