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Jul 24, 2019 15:58:38   #
rehess Loc: South Bend, Indiana, USA
 
imagemeister wrote:
It is true that the high pixel density will show any movement blur quicker or will be more discernable.
My experiments before I went digital showed that I was getting the equivalent of at most 6mp with film. With film I was "stopping" a train with 1/250, but I found that I had to go up to 1/500 to get the same effect with my first digital {8mp} camera.

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Jul 24, 2019 17:19:23   #
tommyII Loc: Northern Illinois
 
SueScott wrote:
I've been wanting to upgrade from my current D7500 to a full frame, mainly for improved low light performance as well as image quality and have been saving since January for a D760 but since that model seems more and more to be a figment of someone's imagination my husband has been encouraging me to consider the D850. I know it is an excellent camera but I have some questions that some of you folks might help answer since you have real life experience with it as opposed to the enthusiasm of the sales staff at my local camera shop.

Concerning the 45mp resolution: is it true that the huge amount of mps contribute to camera shake? I shoot handheld almost exclusively and am reliably steady down to a shutter speed of 1/20 and sometimes a bit lower. I can't see dragging a tripod around everywhere I go and needing one for steady performance would be a deal breaker here.

Concerning large image file size: I work on a HP laptop with 8 gb of memory - would these large sizes cause problems? I haven't stepped up to working in RAW yet but again, is there a problem converting back to jpeg?

Weight is probably just a personal decision - it's a pound heavier than my D7500 which itself is a bit of a beast - I'm unsure whether that extra weight will cause a problem with every day usage.

As to my shooting style - I do a bit of everything but particularly travel photography, candid portraits, some landscape, and some street when I get the chance. Also, I'm not at all interested in going mirrorless at this time - maybe in a few years when Nikon works out the bugs in this first generation product and there are more lenses available.

So … I'd be very grateful for any advice you can give - thanks in advance!
I've been wanting to upgrade from my current D7500... (show quote)


I've had my D850 for about 6 months and I'm very happy with it. I switch back and forth between my D500 and the D850. It is true that it is a tad heavy, but it produce incredible pictures. I shoot 98% hand held, and have never had a problem with blurred images.

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Jul 24, 2019 17:51:12   #
therwol Loc: USA
 
SueScott wrote:
I really appreciate all the replies, opinions, and advice - thank you!! I think the best option is to rent the D850 for a week before making a decision. A $3000 purchase isn't something to go into blindly. Until then I'm happily shooting with my D7500 and took over 80 shots on this morning's walk! Thanks again!


Rent a few good quality full frame lenses as well. The weight and size of some of them coupled with the camera's weight and size could sway you one way or another. My retirement gift to myself was the D810, approximately the same size and weight. The image quality is outstanding, but I started not taking it on vacations to Europe because of the weight and bulk of everything. (My choice. I know it doesn't bother some people.)

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Jul 24, 2019 20:49:22   #
FTn
 
SueScott wrote:
I've been wanting to upgrade from my current D7500 to a full frame, mainly for improved low light performance as well as image quality and have been saving since January for a D760 but since that model seems more and more to be a figment of someone's imagination my husband has been encouraging me to consider the D850. I know it is an excellent camera but I have some questions that some of you folks might help answer since you have real life experience with it as opposed to the enthusiasm of the sales staff at my local camera shop.

Concerning the 45mp resolution: is it true that the huge amount of mps contribute to camera shake? I shoot handheld almost exclusively and am reliably steady down to a shutter speed of 1/20 and sometimes a bit lower. I can't see dragging a tripod around everywhere I go and needing one for steady performance would be a deal breaker here.

Concerning large image file size: I work on a HP laptop with 8 gb of memory - would these large sizes cause problems? I haven't stepped up to working in RAW yet but again, is there a problem converting back to jpeg?

Weight is probably just a personal decision - it's a pound heavier than my D7500 which itself is a bit of a beast - I'm unsure whether that extra weight will cause a problem with every day usage.

As to my shooting style - I do a bit of everything but particularly travel photography, candid portraits, some landscape, and some street when I get the chance. Also, I'm not at all interested in going mirrorless at this time - maybe in a few years when Nikon works out the bugs in this first generation product and there are more lenses available.

So … I'd be very grateful for any advice you can give - thanks in advance!
I've been wanting to upgrade from my current D7500... (show quote)


Hi Sue -

I shoot with a D850 and a bunch of Nikon gold lenses. I have been a commercial photographer for 40 years and have worked with many different systems and many different formats including 4x5 and 8x10. The D850 is one extraordinary camera body. The images that I have captured with it in the last year I am quite pleased with. They rival the images that have I captured with a Sinar P 8x10 years ago on Ektachrome. Those 8x10 images were images that you could literally walk into.

There are a lot of people who have responded to your post that have never had the opertunity to capture an image with a D850. It's something about this site. They have to express an opinion even though they don't have the experience to do so.

If you have the opportunity to buy a D850 do it. I don't think you will regret it.

- FTn

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Jul 24, 2019 21:08:23   #
vandy
 
SueScott wrote:
I've been wanting to upgrade from my current D7500 to a full frame, mainly for improved low light performance as well as image quality and have been saving since January for a D760 but since that model seems more and more to be a figment of someone's imagination my husband has been encouraging me to consider the D850. I know it is an excellent camera but I have some questions that some of you folks might help answer since you have real life experience with it as opposed to the enthusiasm of the sales staff at my local camera shop.

Concerning the 45mp resolution: is it true that the huge amount of mps contribute to camera shake? I shoot handheld almost exclusively and am reliably steady down to a shutter speed of 1/20 and sometimes a bit lower. I can't see dragging a tripod around everywhere I go and needing one for steady performance would be a deal breaker here.

Concerning large image file size: I work on a HP laptop with 8 gb of memory - would these large sizes cause problems? I haven't stepped up to working in RAW yet but again, is there a problem converting back to jpeg?

Weight is probably just a personal decision - it's a pound heavier than my D7500 which itself is a bit of a beast - I'm unsure whether that extra weight will cause a problem with every day usage.

As to my shooting style - I do a bit of everything but particularly travel photography, candid portraits, some landscape, and some street when I get the chance. Also, I'm not at all interested in going mirrorless at this time - maybe in a few years when Nikon works out the bugs in this first generation product and there are more lenses available.

So … I'd be very grateful for any advice you can give - thanks in advance!
I've been wanting to upgrade from my current D7500... (show quote)


I have a D750, a Z7 and a D850, and by far my favorite is the D850. It just feels right in my hands and I have not noticed a difference in blur or camera shake from either of the 3. Of course the lightest one of the 3 is the Z7 which I also love but for different reasons, it is so quiet and easy to use but it is just not the D850 if that makes sense.

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Jul 24, 2019 21:11:54   #
RahulKhosla
 
What did you do by way of practice over the six months that you described to get you down to a lower shutter speed without camera shake?

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Jul 24, 2019 21:26:48   #
mrzip90230 Loc: Culver City, Ca. USA
 
I agree that the D850 is heavy but I carry it all over the world. It is the best out there by far! Get your wallet out and buy good glass while you are at it. I'm 72 yrs. old and have a bad back so if I can handle it so can you!!!

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Jul 24, 2019 23:25:18   #
stan0301 Loc: Colorado
 
I have an 850–and it mostly sits on the shelf. I like the D500 loads better—I think if you try them both you would too—I regularly make 20x30’s, and sometimes larger— what they rarely mention is photo paper can only absorb about 220 DPI no matter what you throw at it—you can crop a bit more with the 850–but I rarely have found that to be a problem. On the other hand I have never heard anyone say “I wish I didn’t have an 850”
Stan

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Jul 25, 2019 00:13:11   #
ronpier Loc: Poland Ohio
 
Race Raccoon wrote:
From the way you describe your photography style/uses, I don't see the D7500 having any downfalls & I would keep it myself. Since you mention camera weight as a factor & if you're determined to upgrade, I would look closely @ the D500. This camera will be about the same size as your D7500 but will be a bit heavier due to its more rugged metal body. Also, the camera controls will be essentially very much the same as your D7500 & your current lenses will be fully compatible.

I think APS-C cameras are getting a bad rap & the emphasis on full-frame, fueled by Nikon corporate which would prefer selling more expensive full-frame camera bodies & lenses, is way overblown.
From the way you describe your photography style/u... (show quote)


FWIW It’s nice to hear a few good responses regarding APS-C cameras to compare and consider.

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Jul 25, 2019 02:16:58   #
silver Loc: Santa Monica Ca.
 
SueScott wrote:
I've been wanting to upgrade from my current D7500 to a full frame, mainly for improved low light performance as well as image quality and have been saving since January for a D760 but since that model seems more and more to be a figment of someone's imagination my husband has been encouraging me to consider the D850. I know it is an excellent camera but I have some questions that some of you folks might help answer since you have real life experience with it as opposed to the enthusiasm of the sales staff at my local camera shop.

Concerning the 45mp resolution: is it true that the huge amount of mps contribute to camera shake? I shoot handheld almost exclusively and am reliably steady down to a shutter speed of 1/20 and sometimes a bit lower. I can't see dragging a tripod around everywhere I go and needing one for steady performance would be a deal breaker here.

Concerning large image file size: I work on a HP laptop with 8 gb of memory - would these large sizes cause problems? I haven't stepped up to working in RAW yet but again, is there a problem converting back to jpeg?

Weight is probably just a personal decision - it's a pound heavier than my D7500 which itself is a bit of a beast - I'm unsure whether that extra weight will cause a problem with every day usage.

As to my shooting style - I do a bit of everything but particularly travel photography, candid portraits, some landscape, and some street when I get the chance. Also, I'm not at all interested in going mirrorless at this time - maybe in a few years when Nikon works out the bugs in this first generation product and there are more lenses available.

So … I'd be very grateful for any advice you can give - thanks in advance!
I've been wanting to upgrade from my current D7500... (show quote)


I have the 850, a great camera. Depending on which lens you are using the lens and camera can be a bit heavy. Camera shake is no problem if you are steady. As far as the large files you must have enough storage in order to store your images. I have 2 external 6 TB hard drives and when they fill up I will get another hard drive. I have 2 external hard drives because one acts a back up in case of one drive failing. The image quality is extraordinary. The 850 is definitely the best full frame camera available. You will need lenses that compliment the capabilities of the camera.

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Jul 25, 2019 05:59:22   #
duane klipping Loc: Bristow iowa
 
I shoot with a D800 and raw files run about 35mb. I shoot her and load 3 images at a time. It takes about 5 minutes to proccess those images on 12gig ram system. You will notice a difference in processing time for sure. In jpeg only probably not too much though.

I shot a lot handheld but have since been using a tripod more for a number of reasons. Most importantly it forces me to slow down and compose my shot more. I also want the sharpest images I can get.

I went from the 7100 to the 800 for the larger resolution and low light performance. I am sure you will love the 850.

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Jul 25, 2019 06:48:21   #
justhercamera Loc: NW Michigan
 
I thought I would comment on the weight of the camera from a female perspective. I went from the D7100 to the D850. I don't think the camera weight was noticeable to me to be honest. It was the change in glass that weighed more. I changed up the strap I used and otherwise, I simply adapted. You said you had been changing up glass already, so it shouldn't be a big deal. If I am going out and really want to keep it as light as possible, I remove the grip and use the 24-120 f/4 lens and that is much closer to what I was used to on the D7100.
I cannot imagine shooting the D850 in jpeg. I switched to RAW when I had the D90, many moons ago. The data in those files and the editing that can be done is HUGE. With the D850, the details are even more amazing. I strongly encourage you to start experimenting with the RAW, in any camera you are using and see the difference.

Sue

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Jul 25, 2019 08:05:31   #
ELNikkor
 
Find out what it can do that your D7500 can not, and ask yourself if you really will use those features. I'm sure you are strong enough to handle the extra weight. Also, consider the cost of upgrading your other systems having to do with memory and processing speed, maybe lenses as well, to fully appreciate what that amazing camera can do.

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Jul 25, 2019 10:59:32   #
Reconvic Loc: clermont Fl
 
My wife and I both have the D850. We also have the D3200, D7100, D500. We are wildlife (mostly bird photographers) and are using 600mm lenses and are 90% of the time cropping. For your type of photography I can't imagine you cropping so those 45 mp RAW files...OO LA OUI! The RAW files are bulky and cumbersome when downloading and you definitely need a large memory External Hard Drive to save them. My wife is delicate and she always shoots hand held with those huge lenses with no problems. When I upgraded from the D7100 to the D850 I was amazed at the increase in sharpness and many other awesome features of the D850. It truly is a Legendary camera that will remain unrivaled for years to come.

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Jul 25, 2019 12:39:04   #
Dossile
 
The D850 is a lot of camera both in weight and capabilities. I enjoy a full frame camera. The list of positives for the camera include the sensor, for both detail and dynamic range. The focus speed and frames/sec, the light sensor, battery life, viewfinder, LCD screen, Low light capabilities, accessibility of the controls, ergonomics, dual cards, focus stacking, availability of high quality lenses, and many, many more features are all positives. It is a remarkable camera.

There are negatives. The weight for lens and camera make carrying equipment for a long hike or a long day an issue for many. The size of the RAW photos requires a lot of memory storage. I have two 8 TB external hard drives now. Fortunately they are now relatively cheap.

Your main question is about camera shake and clarity given the sensor. I generally shoot at ISO 64-400 outdoors and 400-1600 indoors. With my lenses, even at these speeds, hand holding has not been a major issue. I make sure that I create a stable base, though, before each shot. My two main lenses are the 24-70 E2.8 and the 70-200 E2.8, both with great image stabilization. I use a Nikon 20 1.8 on a tripod for landscapes, along with both my other main lenses. I also use a 200-500 f5.6 for wildlife and some landscape shots. The 200-500 isn’t quite as sharp as the other 3 lenses, but I have to go to 200% to see that lack of crispness. In Kenya, handholding the 200-500 in an awkward position because I was in the front seat, I took pictures of a lioness hunting at 40 yards and could see the tissue like wings of the flies resting on her torso.

When moving to FF from Dx, I saved and gradually improved my lenses. My capture rate is now generally dependent on composition, not focus and softness. Good luck.

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