CWGordon

I doubt much of what you say is true. Fake news. Even if some is true compare it to the way you people treat the press, etc. No contest. You guys are far more mean as a group than the few isolated Democrats are. You guys killed a girl at Charlottesville. I guess you forgot all about that. More civility from Dems, by far. But, you cannot expect that to last with the bellicose and antagonistic things you and your cult leader say and tweet.

robertjerl Loc: Corona, California

Every single one of those things happened, I have seen the video and read the accounts of eye witnesses.
As said, you must be living in a bubble.
Yes, there are Adam Henrys on both sides but lately it seems that the left is leading in AH population density.

The most outrageous case of a large group is Antifa.
"Anti Fascists"!?!
They act just like the stereotypical/original Fascists - Adolph Hitler's Nazi Party "Brown Shirts" aka "Storm Troopers". Those guys were so bad that after Hitler gained power he arranged for most of them to "disappear".
And before you say they were right wing. Nazi was just the party's nickname. Their formal name was "National Socialist German Workers' Party". Yes, they started as one of many forms of pro worker socialists. Their main beef with Stalin and his "Communist Party" was over who would lead and run the world wide socialist movement.
And the Soviets themselves stated they were socialists and the "Communist" name was their goal - to one day achieve "true communism". But many of them admitted that along the way they had become "state socialists" (a form of Totalitarianism)where the state/gvt held the power, not the people as a whole as envisioned by Marx, Engels and the other intellectuals of the early movement. Under Stalin most of those intellectuals who were still alive and not with the program went into the gulag or were assassinated. Even if he had to send hit men to other nations where they had fled.

andesbill

In the 1930’s, Germany was being torn apart by the Communists (Stalinists vs Trotskyites) and the Nazis. The extremes of both sides each claimed to be the voice of the people. There the noise quickly escalated to violence, with the Nazis winning out.
What will happen here if Trump loses in 2020, especially if it’s close.
The fact is, I don’t know what will happen. If anyone says they do, they’re lying, even if only to themselves. That is scary.

robertjerl Loc: Corona, California

If Trump loses, which I doubt will happen the result will most likely be absolutely nothing from his supporters except words and hot air. No revolution, no Antifa style riots etc. They will get busy planning for and picking a candidate for a come back in 2024. With as much of a Congressional gain as they can get in 2022.
The left predicted he would lose in 2016, and wouldn't accept the result. Well he won and Hillary & Company have been screaming "We was robbed!" ever since with their supporters in the gvt bureaucracy actually trying to pull off a political coup by finding "crimes" etc for impeachment or a forced resignation. Well their white knight Mueller tried his damnedest to do it and had to conclude "there was no there, there" to quote one of the messages between the FBI Love Birds.
President Trump won because of the Electoral College which functioned exactly as designed to prevent a few large population centers from controlling every election at the expense of the interests of the other smaller population and more rural states.

fantom Loc: Colorado

fantom Loc: Colorado

excellent comments

ken_stern Loc: Yorba Linda, Ca

Thanks
They were given in an honest attempt toward a discussion regarding G.W. & Civility & Decent Behavior
Along the almost total lack of it coming from the White House
However the fellow who started it all has & I should know this by now has an ongoing political agenda
So poor old G.W. along with the founding fathers get misused while "he" (the starter of this post) holds off for 4 or 5 pages & then serves-up his
"Thin porridge" of terrible "acts" folks that have real problems & issues with his guy have done to his side of the political agenda
All I can say for myself is ---- never again --
I'm sticking to posting photos & commenting on other folks photos
REMEMBER THE RUSSIANS SUPPORTED HIS LAST ELECTION & WILL SUPPORT HIS NEXT
Go early & vote often

JoAnneK01 Loc: Lahaina, Hawaii

It would be great if our leaders would follow such advice. Mahalo for sharing.

CWGordon

Antifa is a reaction to the promise and actual violence of the White Nationalists. If only there had been a real resistance early on to the great Nazi party, maybe we would never have had the rise of Hitler. I had a professor once who asked the question: “If FDR had been born in Germany and Hitler had been born here, would there really have been any difference in world history. I wonder if today he might not shift the anaalogy to include your cult leader instead of FDR.
It is unfortunate that an Antifa becomes a reality. I am against violence. You seem to support your Nazis. However, remember that for every action there is an equal reaction. I can only imagine what your people would have done in Charlottesville had there been noone there to check their aggressive behavior. Unfortunate, but as I have said before, there may be bad people on both sides, but there certainly can be no good Nazis, no good people on that side.
Your nastiness expressed by your cult leader has gotten outrageous. How you can not see the real allure is an appeal to your racism. Socialism is just an excuse. I suppose you are going to tell me next you will refuse your Social Security check when it comes?
Your positions are so full of holes, mistruths, hate, and falsehoods as to be laughable. Unfortunately, the damage being done to our country here and abroad is not laughable.

StanMac Loc: Tennessee

All I can say to you, sir, is you haven’t been paying attention for the last decade.

Stan

CWGordon

I wish I had been. You are right, I was not paying as close attention as I should have been. I was lazy and comfortable, not motivated to be involved, read, learn, watch. I did believe Trump would win. While disappointed when he did I committed to giving him a chance. His policies and statements awakened me. I now watch 4 or more hours of news on an almost daily basis. I watch both conservative and more liberal TV. I read as many newspapers as I can during the week and on weekends. I think my awakening came too late. I have done a poor job as a citizen. I did vote in every election. I voted for both Bush’s, and Reagan. I voted for many Republicans over the years in State and local elections. However, I eventually realized that despite those votes I was a Democrat, not the Republican I thought I was. I could have lived with a McCain or Romney as president, but am glad I didn’t have to do so. So here we are and I see our Country being destroyed. I see no infrastructure proposals, no healthcare alternatives, an anti-environmental approach, a tax cut for the rich and the corporations that needed it not at all, disastrous trade wars, no foreign policy agenda, the swampiest swamp ever, a corrupted Dept of Justice, the firing of scientists who won’t say climate change is a hoax, the terrorization of immigrants, the confinement of children as young as a few months old, no ideas on how to govern, no idea on how to unite a country, just take away medical insurance, allow insurance companies outrageous profits and price increases, insult our allies, kiss the asses of the most barbarous dictators in the world, corruption on every level, attack any leader who might have an opinion different than the regime in power, etc. I won’t go on, you are not open to any of this. Just find an excuse to defend the leader and attack the opposition. Support racism and bigotry seem to be at the forefront of the campaign.
No, sir, I was not paying enough attention for the last decade. I am sorry about that. You sir, have not been paying attention since the election of 2016. A far more sinister failure. I am sure you never watch any alternatives to your Fox news which really is little more than a government propoganda station. There are a couple of news people there that although conservative tend to try to be objective and truthful in their coverage. You probably don’t listen to them much. You’d rather be in your echo chamber never questioning the veracity of what you are told. Try to listen to other viewpoints once in awhile. You might be surprised at what you might learn.

robertjerl Loc: Corona, California

God help us, a True Believer.

You don't even admit someone else could be right and you wrong - not even a faint possibility. It isn't a discussion, it is you stating your views you get from the "anti" media as fact (most are really opinions) and saying everyone else is wrong about everything. If not downright evil. Not just someone who believes differently than you - Evil.

Social security and the like are not really socialism, they are social welfare programs (in the old days they were called charity and "the dole"). Before you bring it up, the Scandinavian countries are capitalist economies with more social welfare programs then we have. And higher taxes to pay for all that "free" stuff. They are not Socialist though many of their political parties use the word in their name.

I guess maybe I should consider being finished with this thread. I will wait and see.

Nikoneer

Wow.......hook, line, sinker AND fisherman too!!!!!!!

Nikoneer

You nailed it my man.

Notice where the bulk of the name-calling is coming from -- for within that is displayed loss of thought and fear of the returning pendulum. This is a shameful time and I for one refuse to denigrate fellow Americans regardless of their victimization and just want to ready myself for all the needed repairs we face during the next administration.

CWGordon

It would appear every single one of the accusations hurled my way ought to be aimed at the person hurling them. I rather objectively mentioned policy disagreements. Rarely, if ever will a right-winger actually specify a policy they like or dislike. I believe this is because this administration reall has no policies. Yes, they do certain things to oppress or coerce people. The closest thing to a policy is to jail every man, woman, and child that comes here. If approval polls show that among Republicans he recently had a 5 point increase; then over 9 out of ten are supporting a racist government. The obvious question becomes what does that say about the party and its’ members. In my OPINION this is fairly obvious!
As for opinion - I watch both liberal and conservative shows, gotta try to understand what Americans on the other side think and why, and find that other than vicious attacks and fake news the conservative media has only opinion to offer. You must not ever watch liberaltv because if you did you would see they say very little without showing proof, photos, old video clips, news items, printed testimony that corroborates what they say. The research departments are good and thorough and do a phenominal job of backing up and exposing things. Recently, they showed clips of good buddies, yucking it up at a party with younger women. This in itself proves little other than there was a period where your cult leader and the world famous child-molester, Mr. Friedman were good buddies. This flies in the face of the denials they were buddies and that he was “...not a fan...”. In fact, an old interview shows your leader saying they had been good buddies for over 15 years! How many years after that they remained buddies is not mentioned. That is up to you and your opinion to determine. I believe my friends who are supporters of this administration and many of you who also support it are good people. It makes it more easily believed by you that you are right and could not possibly be wrong, an accusation you have made of me. It is my OPINION that people like you and me could have and even now could sit and have good discourse on many varying topics. Photography is an example of this. We could be friends, but that might only because I am white. I am of the OPINION that you would never be interested in talking about sports or art or anything else if I was not white. I would opine any conversation held under those circumstances would be shallow and short. If you have any minority friends at all they would be a rationale for saying “who, me, I’m no racist, some of my best friends are black.” It is sad and perhaps I am wrong, maybe there is something of a positive bent in what this administration and its’ followers believe. The problem is virtually everything I hear said by our administration and many of its’ followers is repugnant to my personal beliefs and OPINIONS as an American. So many statements turn out to not be true. I see how we treat other human beings and am embarassed and humiliated. You and those who think differently seem to be angry and somehow threatened by the changes that we cannot stop. I wish there was room to talk. I tried for a long time, but heard so much nastiness and rudeness that I just felt I needed to start standing up for what I believe is right, have the courage of my convictions and not stand silent when those around me are saying things that upset me and in my opinion are unAmerican.
Those are a brief idea of my OPINIONS.