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Jul 9, 2019 08:17:28   #
gvarner Loc: Central Oregon Coast
 
I sharpen in RAW. Using the Alt key and the sliders you can hone in on the effects. For example, Alt+ Masking slider shows an outline of what exactly will be sharpened in order to fine tune your edits.

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Jul 9, 2019 08:28:52   #
John Howard Loc: SW Florida and Blue Ridge Mountains of NC.
 
Strodav wrote:
The most important factors IMHO are to shoot raw and get it sharp in the camera. jpg images are sharpened in the camera. If you don't like it, it's too late. If the raw file is sharp in the camera to begin with then sharpening in LR is all you need to improve your image, but it is important to use the alt+mask, alt+detail, and alt+radius as well as the sharpening slider to get it right. Noise reduction and sharpening fight each other, so they should be done together. If I screwed up and the image is a touch soft, but I want to try and save it, I use Topaz Sharpen AI, which usually works. Again, don't accept the defaults try a few different settings for "remove blur", "suppress noise", and "add grain". If I'm editing in PS there are like 6 different sharpening methods, pick your poison. I do like to roll my own though by using a high pass filter to see the "edges" I want to sharpen then add it back into the original image.
The most important factors IMHO are to shoot raw a... (show quote)


I have read that you should address noise first otherwise you sharpen the noose making it more difficult to remove. Is this correct?

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Jul 9, 2019 08:45:30   #
clemente21
 
bleirer wrote:
I'm pretty familiar with sharpening and the theory and methods, and have read a lot of the background websites, but I was wondering what your go-to method is and particularly why, especially for output sharpening. I have my own thoughts on the subject and usually use smart sharpen in Photoshop for several reasons, but others seem to swear by unsharp mask while others go for high pass. Is your choice of methods situational? What situations? Do you have science to inform your choice or is it just personal preference/hard won experience?
I'm pretty familiar with sharpening and the theory... (show quote)



This is a good reference for the questions you have. Perhaps more information about sharpening that you ever use.
https://www.amazon.com/World-Sharpening-Photoshop-Camera-Lightroom-ebook/dp/B002NQSMWW/ref=sr_1_1?keywords=image+sharpening&qid=1562676031&s=gateway&sr=8-1#customerReviews

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Jul 9, 2019 09:22:56   #
bleirer
 
clemente21 wrote:


Thanks. After reading that book how do you personally approach sharpening, what methods, and why one method vs. Another?

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Jul 9, 2019 09:40:51   #
amfoto1 Loc: San Jose, Calif. USA
 
I use either unsharp mask or high pass sharpening in Photoshop... occasionally both in an image. I rarely use smart sharpen.

I may do some very minimal, light sharpening early in my workflow... (for example, my Lightroom has default sharpening during RAW conversion). However, I always do my final sharpening after the image has had any noise reduction applied and after it's been re-sized for it's intended use. If sharpening is done too early in the workflow, it can lead to problems. If an image hasn't had noise reduction applied, any noise that's in it will be amplified by sharpening. An image that's reduced in size for it's intended use will naturally look sharper... something that's smaller and/or lower resolution such as internet display in a typical size an 100 ppi, will not need - or tolerate - anywhere near as much sharpening as and image that's being prepped to make a 16x24" print at 300 ppi. Much sharpening appears to be done by enhancing micro contrast... so any more major contrast adjustments to an image should be done before applying sharpening, too.

I'll sometimes do selective sharpening, as others have mentioned.... I usually do that with high pass, but sometimes with unsharp mask too. In either case, I do this with layers and masks.

On very rare occasion I might use Photoshop's sharpening tool to touch up a very small area.

Part of the same process, I'll sometimes also selectively add blur effects to the out of focus areas (usually gaussian blur, though I might experiment with other types of blur). This may be needed to keep sharpening from causing the OOF area from looking "grainy", but also can serve to make the sharpened portions of an image appear even sharper. Again, limiting it to select areas of the image is done using layers & masks in Photoshop (usually at the same time sharpening is being done).

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Jul 9, 2019 10:09:47   #
nickims2 Loc: Mississippi currently
 
Topaz Sharpen AI is the best!

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Jul 9, 2019 10:19:11   #
via the lens Loc: Northern California, near Yosemite NP
 
Gene51 wrote:
Look at the work and writings of Jeff Schewe - Photoshop Visionary . . .


A possible book to order if someone is interested in pursuing this...Real World Image Sharpening with Adobe Photoshop, Camera Raw, and Lightroom. It's an older book but offers good insight into sharpening. It's by Bruce Fraser and Jeff Schewe and they were both instrumental and involved in the creation of PS and LR, although I don't know a lot about that. I believe it was in the sharpening processes if I recall correctly. A good read.

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Jul 9, 2019 10:26:21   #
Fotoartist Loc: Detroit, Michigan
 
I've noticed that any sharpening looks too sharp on HD TVs, while it is fine for prints.

I have to make two versions of a file depending on its end use.

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Jul 9, 2019 10:31:00   #
RRS Loc: Not sure
 
khorinek wrote:
I use High Pass Sharpening in Corel Paintshop Pro and/or Lightroom. My settings are, radius - 7, strength - 70, blend mode - hard light. Blend mode depends on the photo, if the photos were taken inside and are of faces and/or groups of people I will use a soft light.


As to radius, is that .7 or 7?

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Jul 9, 2019 10:36:54   #
Thomas902 Loc: Washington DC
 
Only sharpen at the end of the work flow...
And then at 100% view...

Every image size needs to be sharpen individually...
And selectively....

How you do this is where the art comes into the equation...
Only with time/practice and careful analysis are you going to improve rather than degrade...

Sharpening is all about edge contrast... the sooner you get your head around this and stop thinking about the "tools" to use the sooner you'll begin to optimize your imagery...

As others have stated, never shoot in 8 bit jpg... always in RAW...
Unless you want to invest major time tweaking your camera's picture control settings... I actually know a very successful wedding shooter who never shoots RAW but he is amazing at fine tuning Picture Control settings on his Nikon... Yes you can fine tune .jpg sharpening... but it is a universal setting...

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Jul 9, 2019 10:37:33   #
RRS Loc: Not sure
 
John Howard wrote:
I have read that you should address noise first otherwise you sharpen the noose making it more difficult to remove. Is this correct?


Yes, once you sharpen the noise it's more difficult to reduce it. Sometimes all you can do is to reduce the noise depending on the shot and not eliminate noise completely or you will have a soft image.

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Jul 9, 2019 11:10:01   #
saxman71 Loc: Wenatchee
 
I asked the same question here a couple months ago and the answers, not surprisingly, are pretty similar. I personally have been using the high pass filter to sharpen what I think are my better images. To do this, I make a copy of the background layer and turn it into a smart object. I then apply the filter (usually a radius of between 2 and 3.5) and look at the difference between the "overlay" and "soft" blend modes to find a sharpening amount I like. Once this is accomplished you can use a black brush to remove sharpening from background areas that you really don't want sharpened. You can take the same approach with the blur tools. As others have noted, any noise reduction done should be applied before sharpening.

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Jul 9, 2019 11:51:53   #
Strodav Loc: Houston, Tx
 
mizzee wrote:
I use LR and a combination of contrast, clarity, texture and sharpening.


Good point. The human visual system perceives contrast as sharpness. The models show maximum sensitivity in the 8 to 10 cycles / degree on the retina, which of course depends on the image and viewing distance. To make a complicated subject simple, increasing contrast makes an image "look" sharper.

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Jul 9, 2019 12:53:12   #
davidb1879
 
Re:Bleirer (sharpening). If I want an image to be sharp (many excellent images are not sharp) I use a tripod. If the subject is moving I use a very fast shutter speed. If possible I also use the lens' sweet spot to set aperture). If the image is still unsharp I use post processing as per the advice of hoggers (above).

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Jul 9, 2019 12:59:12   #
elent
 
I've been using topaz gigapixel ai more for it's ability to give me great sharpening! I just set the enlargement to 2x and let it do its thing. It does have a tendency towards luminescence in some cases, but that's easily corrected.

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