whatdat wrote:
Said it before; we hear how this country was built on immigrants. LEGAL immigrants. These people sneaking across the border are illegal immigrants, something that people that think is ok: some people just ignore that distinction. BTW, I grew up by the border and worked with some of those from south of the border. BUT, they were here legally through proper visas.
With respect, I spent decades living and working in Southern AZ and in TX, most recently 14 years in San Antonio. I am also related to people who've spent their adult lives working in agriculture and related work all over TX. The migrants who worked there (and were more than welcomed, every one) were not by any stretch all legally there, even as recently as a couple of years ago--and no one cared except WRT to the government. Why? Because those people showed up when the season needed them, they worked harder for less than any American citizen would have, they stayed quiet to avoid attention by the authorities, and they went away at the end of the season. In San Antonio, those people would be up before dawn and at work building houses, doing yard work, and at every manner of physical labor, year round, in all weather, and they'd be working when I left for work and there when I go home. Same in Tucson, and I understand southern CA is just the same.
As for the distinction between legal and illegal, coming here hasn't required a visa or even permission until relatively recently. As late as the early 1900's, it was possible to gain entry just by showing up at the borders. Many Americans who are good, clean anti-immigrant, border-wall espousing citizens are themselves descended from people who just showed up. In fact, it wasn't until the mid-1800s when the influx of Irish, mostly, began to upset the people in the East, and about the same time when the influx of Asians began to annoy the people in the west that the people already here started demanding some kind of gov't. controls, but even then, permission to come wasn't required, only that immigrants pass through screening centers, which happened in some places, but never covered the long expanses of mostly unpopulated coastline, or the northern border. One of my grandparents arrived in the U.S. in the early 1900s as a child coming through Canada from Georgia. I don't know if they required papers or not, but my family is spread all over the U.S. now.
It may be interesting to note: In 1910, the proportion of foreign-born Americans to those born here was greater than at any time before or in the 20th century. I'd say it's an even bet that most of the foreign born here then did not obtain permission from the U.S. Gov't before entering the U.S. They just showed up and we let them in, even though most of them were reviled by the already-heres as being dirty, thieving, useless examples of humanity, only good enough to be miners and railroad builders factory workers, and soldiers in the Northern army. . . .
I'd like to suggest to anyone who thinks the history of Americans' relationships with immigrant newcomers since the early 1800s has been pure and honest and decent need only take a critical look at the seedier aspects of our history. That plaque on the Statue of Liberty, the poem by Emma Lazarus, is revisionist hooey. Yes, we like to think of ourselves that way, and I truly do believe in that ideal, but our country has never really welcomed immigrants unless they could be put to immediate use building railroads, making clothes, fighting our wars, planting and reaping crops, and so on. And while I am not stupid enough to equate slavery to immigration, I include slaves in that tally--unwelcome in the extreme, abused and worked to death, treated worse than favored animals, but the work needed doing and money needed making, so a good many Americans who considered themselves good, upstanding Christians and staunch defenders of Freedom and Liberty had no problem buying, owning, and selling other people. As I said elsewhere, good needs evil to find its voice. It seems we're still doing that.
Anyway, re: the idea that those from down south 'were here legally through proper visas,' it's likely true for some, but I suggest reading about Operation Wetback [en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Operation_Wetback]. It will be easy for some to discount what's in this article because it's wikipedia, but this happened and the article is accurate both about the event and what led to it. Imagine: we deported children who were legal American citizens (and still would be, no matter what one thinks of that law). There's American justice and decency for you--no different then sending an innocent person to jail and claiming it's okay because sometimes that just happens.
As I wrote yesterday, almost everything most people think they know about immigration [especially along our southern border] is wrong.
Just sayin'.
Cheers