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Jun 26, 2019 15:22:07   #
fantom Loc: Colorado
 
Chris T wrote:
Fantom - recently I went into a Best Buy to check out the new Canon 6D2. It was side-by-side with the 80D. I was very surprised to see the 80D actually appeared BIGGER than the 6D2. It was the height, primarily. The 6D2 FF was a little wider than the 80D and a little thicker, but, overall, as it was slightly lower, it seemed - actually - smaller than the 80D. Now, then - what could account for that? Perhaps, the slightly smaller VF image size? … It's only 98% after all. You get 100% with the 80D! … But, here's the ticket - with the 6D2 - you RETAIN the Fully-Articulating Touch Screen you have with the EOS 80D, plus, you get a GPS in it, to boot! … You don't get all that with the Nikon D750! … Canon's a win-win, IMHO!
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Everything you say is true except Canon is not a win-win if you compare image quality. D750, sharper and excellent in low light, far superior to Canon. Canon is very poor in low light for some of my applications.

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Jun 26, 2019 16:08:00   #
WayneL Loc: Baltimore Md
 
$1000 for a D300, he is not your friend

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Jun 26, 2019 16:14:04   #
jefflane
 
I recently switched from Canon to Nikon. I currently am shooting the Nikon 500 5.6 PF (3.5 pounds vs 7 lbs for my Canon 500 F4), with a Nikon D850 (42 Mpx which seems to me better than a crop frame with fewer pixels) and a D5 for low light. I also have a 24-150, a 12-24, a 105 Micro (what non-Nikon shooters call a Macro) and an 80-400. The learning curve was a bit steep but I am getting there.

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Jun 26, 2019 16:16:07   #
Unclehoss
 
jdkoerner wrote:
Hey guys, don't hold back and let me know what you really think!

I am of course very grateful for your immediate and impassioned feedback. That Nikon deal is officially toast. So at this point I will consider the suggestions I've received re: noise reduction, but I will also be looking at full frame Canons, and anyone who has any suggestions on that score is free to throw in their two cents.


I have a T1i and a 5DMkII. I was always very dissatified with my results from images when I had only the T1i. I 'thought' I was doing everything I could do but who knows. I wanted to go full frame for a long time and since I could use L lenses with the crop camera, I started by purchasing some better glass for my T1i. What a huge difference right there, I was doing most everything right with it. I don't think I will purchase another crop camera since I have gotten the full frame but what a huge improvement by using better glass. Try it with something used, if you don't like it, resell it pretty quickly and the only thing it would cost you is the shipping since you could sell it for what you paid for it. If you like it and what new, sell the used and buy a new one.

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Jun 26, 2019 16:31:13   #
Notorious T.O.D. Loc: Harrisburg, North Carolina
 
Perhaps reduced size of electronics or more components being put on a chip or something possibly account for the size differences...

Chris T wrote:
Fantom - recently I went into a Best Buy to check out the new Canon 6D2. It was side-by-side with the 80D. I was very surprised to see the 80D actually appeared BIGGER than the 6D2. It was the height, primarily. The 6D2 FF was a little wider than the 80D and a little thicker, but, overall, as it was slightly lower, it seemed - actually - smaller than the 80D. Now, then - what could account for that? Perhaps, the slightly smaller VF image size? … It's only 98% after all. You get 100% with the 80D! … But, here's the ticket - with the 6D2 - you RETAIN the Fully-Articulating Touch Screen you have with the EOS 80D, plus, you get a GPS in it, to boot! … You don't get all that with the Nikon D750! … Canon's a win-win, IMHO!
Fantom - recently I went into a Best Buy to check ... (show quote)

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Jun 26, 2019 16:42:41   #
amfoto1 Loc: San Jose, Calif. USA
 
jdkoerner wrote:
I've been shooting with Canons for 30 years. Recently a friend offered me a Nikon D 300 with 4200 activations that had only been used in his studio for $1000. Of course it is nothing like a Canon in terms of where all the dials and buttons are. It has a monitor but no touch screen, which I am practiced in using to make setting changes on the fly. I also use the Canon touch screen swung out so that I can frame shots from over my head or at my knees, and this monitor, as far as I can tell, doesn't do that either. I shoot mostly photojournalism.

The reason for even considering a new camera in the first place is to go to full frame: recent discussions of noise reduction software convince me that I have to start at the source, and I have a t4i, which is cropped, and so has a much lower native iso.

While you may feel free to comment on any aspect of this question the topic is: if you've made the switch what was it like? Was muscle memory an issue? Was learning an entirely new system difficult? Are you glad you switched?
I've been shooting with Canons for 30 years. Recen... (show quote)


$1000 for a D300! I agree with a previous response... RUN AWAY FAST!

The D300 was a "game changing camera".... 12 year ago. However, the game has changed significantly several times since then... so today a D300 in excellent condition is worth less than $250 (the highest retail priced one currently at KEH.com is $238... others are under $200, some in worse condition, under $100). A real "friend" might offer it to you for $150 to $200... but that would be without any warranty (KEH usually gives a 90 day "store warranty").

Even so, you can buy a brand new, fully warranted Canon 80D with twice the resolution and a whole bunch of other superior features for $899. That would be a big step up from your T4i and able to use any and all lenses, and probably most other accessories you already have. I think this would make a whole lot more sense.

Switching brands is expensive. Canon DSLRs can use some vintage, manual focus Nikon F-mount lenses via adapters.... but Nikon DSLRs cannot use old or new Canon lenses at all! In fact, Canon cameras can use many other manufacturers' lenses via adapters... Nikon can use very few because they have one of the longest "lens registers" of any SLR/DSLR manufacturer.

Modern Nikon cameras and lenses are excellent. But, so are Canon. (And Canon sells about 2X as many DSLRs, as well as a lot more mirrorless than Nikon. Nikon sells more "point n shoot" though.)

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Jun 26, 2019 16:56:08   #
Harry13
 
jdkoerner wrote:
I've been shooting with Canons for 30 years. Recently a friend offered me a Nikon D 300 with 4200 activations that had only been used in his studio for $1000. Of course it is nothing like a Canon in terms of where all the dials and buttons are. It has a monitor but no touch screen, which I am practiced in using to make setting changes on the fly. I also use the Canon touch screen swung out so that I can frame shots from over my head or at my knees, and this monitor, as far as I can tell, doesn't do that either. I shoot mostly photojournalism.

The reason for even considering a new camera in the first place is to go to full frame: recent discussions of noise reduction software convince me that I have to start at the source, and I have a t4i, which is cropped, and so has a much lower native iso.

While you may feel free to comment on any aspect of this question the topic is: if you've made the switch what was it like? Was muscle memory an issue? Was learning an entirely new system difficult? Are you glad you switched?
I've been shooting with Canons for 30 years. Recen... (show quote)


I did the reverse, switched from Nikon to Canon. No problem, easy as pie! Am I glad? Well, I'm not sad, let's leave it at that! I'm shooting a 5Dc with a variety of lens. As I've posted, I shoot from horseback at bird dog field trials sometimes and my Tamron 28-300 comes in handy because I never have to change lens but otherwise I'm 100% Canon, probably a half dozen lens. 50 mm 1.8, 70-200 f4, 70-300 is etc. I don't really bird so 300 has been long enough so far. When I shot Nikon I used an 85mm 1.8 exclusively. Theatre/dance mainly, some dogs. Worked for me! Never shot enough to develop muscle memory! I'm not sure how much is required. <g>

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Jun 26, 2019 17:03:37   #
billnikon Loc: Pennsylvania/Ohio/Florida/Maui/Oregon/Vermont
 
jdkoerner wrote:
I've been shooting with Canons for 30 years. Recently a friend offered me a Nikon D 300 with 4200 activations that had only been used in his studio for $1000. Of course it is nothing like a Canon in terms of where all the dials and buttons are. It has a monitor but no touch screen, which I am practiced in using to make setting changes on the fly. I also use the Canon touch screen swung out so that I can frame shots from over my head or at my knees, and this monitor, as far as I can tell, doesn't do that either. I shoot mostly photojournalism.

The reason for even considering a new camera in the first place is to go to full frame: recent discussions of noise reduction software convince me that I have to start at the source, and I have a t4i, which is cropped, and so has a much lower native iso.

While you may feel free to comment on any aspect of this question the topic is: if you've made the switch what was it like? Was muscle memory an issue? Was learning an entirely new system difficult? Are you glad you switched?
I've been shooting with Canons for 30 years. Recen... (show quote)


That is NO friend.

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Jun 26, 2019 17:09:48   #
Harry13
 
I guess that I would ask your "friend" if he's crazy or if he thinks you are! I'm not in the gear market at this time and don't have any idea about Nikon prices anyway since I shoot Canon but from other replies to your post, I think this "crazy" response is quite appropriate! <g>

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Jun 26, 2019 18:02:15   #
imagemeister Loc: mid east Florida
 
CHG_CANON wrote:
If we use $1000 as the target price, look at a used 6D and used EF 24-105 f/4L IS. This would be a general purpose body and lens that puts you in a full-frame body. More knowledge about your interests and examples of the limitations presented by the T4i would be needed to give anything other than suggestions of how to address your GAS.

You might be better served looking at your current lenses and considering which, if any, should be replaced with an EF version, both for performance on your Rebel body and to prepare for changing the body last, rather than first.

If you've been exposing to the left (?) with an EOS body, you might discover a completely different result with ETTR techniques that could put an end to the FF idea.
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Used 5DIII can also be had for $1k today if you shop .....
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Jun 26, 2019 18:13:28   #
Chris T Loc: from England across the pond to New England
 
jdkoerner wrote:
A recap: I did not buy the Nikon D300 At the suggestion of brother Trix I purchased a Canon 5D IV in excellent shape for $850. Put aside the fact that the initial consideration of a Nikon was so off base. My friend is someone who does work for me and will do so in the future. I find it unlikely that he would deliberately cheat me at the price of a steady customer. It's simply inexplicable but there you go.


JD - you got a 5D FOUR for $850, or a 5D THREE? … The 5D4 is CURRENT, and sells for about $3500!!!

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Jun 26, 2019 18:25:59   #
Chris T Loc: from England across the pond to New England
 
Notorious T.O.D. wrote:
Perhaps reduced size of electronics or more components being put on a chip or something possibly account for the size differences...


Could be, Todd - the farther we get into the future - the greater the miniaturization of electronics.

The Canon EOS 80D is kinda long in the tooth, now … what is it? - almost five years old, now …

The 6D2 is just two years old, now. I wonder how much smaller that new 90D? / 7D3? is gonna be?

Check out the 77D side-by-side with the Rebel T6s - it replaced. The older model dwarfs the 77D!

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Jun 26, 2019 18:26:36   #
Notorious T.O.D. Loc: Harrisburg, North Carolina
 
5D3 I believe is the correct answer...

Chris T wrote:
JD - you got a 5D FOUR for $850, or a 5D THREE? … The 5D4 is CURRENT, and sells for about $3500!!!

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Jun 26, 2019 18:29:02   #
Chris T Loc: from England across the pond to New England
 
fantom wrote:
Everything you say is true except Canon is not a win-win if you compare image quality. D750, sharper and excellent in low light, far superior to Canon. Canon is very poor in low light for some of my applications.


You may be right, with regard to the 6D2, Fantom … but, I suspect the 5D4 gives the D750 a good run for the money. I'd be interested to hear from someone who has both (D750/5D4) in regard to this …

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Jun 26, 2019 18:37:32   #
Notorious T.O.D. Loc: Harrisburg, North Carolina
 
I have smaller hands for my size but I find I like a larger camera body with a grip. I find it easier to handle and like how it helps balance longer and heavier lenses.

Chris T wrote:
Could be, Todd - the farther we get into the future - the greater the miniaturization of electronics.

The Canon EOS 80D is kinda long in the tooth, now … what is it? - almost five years old, now …

The 6D2 is just two years old, now. I wonder how much smaller that new 90D? / 7D3? is gonna be?

Check out the 77D side-by-side with the Rebel T6s - it replaced. The older model dwarfs the 77D!

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