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Jun 21, 2019 11:30:36   #
jeep_daddy Loc: Prescott AZ
 
doclrb wrote:
I know this post will likely trigger the B&H faithful into attack mode, but I wish to tell my brief story.

Earlier this week, I noticed that one of the rubber feet from my Sirui W-2204 Tripod had somehow shaken loose and had been lost...yes...bad on me.

Precisely because numerous UHH members sing the praises of B&H, and I had purchased the tripod from B&H, and after searching their website without success for Sirui replacement rubber feet, I called-in. I spoke to 'Jacob'. I explained my problem and asked if he might know of a compatible replacement rubber foot.

Before I could even take my next breath, he gruffly responded "You'll have to call Sirui." So what was missing here? Well, no inquiry as to whether I had purchased the item from B&H, no mention of "I'm sorry we can't help you with this matter but...."

Just a gruff "You'll have to call Sirui," after which I politely replied "Thank You" and ended the call.

BTW, I called Sirui USA and was told that I must submit a service request on their website complete with serial number and bill of sale/receipt. I located the information, submitted a request and I haven't heard back from them yet.

Despite my displeasure with B&H, I did order another manufacturer's replacement product from B&H and it is now installed.

So I ask, where's the customer service? Where's the courtesy?

TY

doclrb
I know this post will likely trigger the B&H f... (show quote)


Well, he's only human. Everyone has bad days and good days. Did you ever consider that? Maybe he was all by himself and he was swamped with calls. Give the man a break. My tripod is a Gitzo Series 3 that I bought used. I bought a new foot for mine from B&H. They had them in stock for my tripod. But they only came in packs of 3. So I paid for 3 but I can't blame B&H. I was happy that they carried them.

Oh, and don't forget to put Loc-tite on your feet threads after you get the new foot. Or this will probably happen again.

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Jun 21, 2019 11:30:53   #
Retina Loc: Near Charleston,SC
 
markngolf wrote:
Why not send a PM to "Hershel" - B & H rep on UHH.
https://www.uglyhedgehog.com/user-profile?usernum=13152

Mark

Great suggestion, Mark. Like Carusoswi said:
Carusoswi wrote:
... If you really felt so abused, why not address the situation at its source rather than bad mouth B&H here on this forum...

I am not faulting the OP as we do not know the whole story. I just want to concur that most issues are best solved at the source, and that most people are not as unreasonable as a single impression might indicate, even New Yorkers (I was one, so I can say that.)

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Jun 21, 2019 11:30:53   #
n4jee Loc: New Bern, NC
 
My first thought would be to go the the manufacturer, rather than the distributor/retailer, to find spare parts. I think AZNikon summed it up.
Unlike many of the NY Photography retail outlets, B&H deals honestly and people deal with them because they can be trusted. Like a Boy Scout, they are Trustworthy, if not always Helpful, Friendly, Courteous, Kind
and Cheerful.

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Jun 21, 2019 11:44:07   #
billnikon Loc: Pennsylvania/Ohio/Florida/Maui/Oregon/Vermont
 
doclrb wrote:
I know this post will likely trigger the B&H faithful into attack mode, but I wish to tell my brief story.

Earlier this week, I noticed that one of the rubber feet from my Sirui W-2204 Tripod had somehow shaken loose and had been lost...yes...bad on me.

Precisely because numerous UHH members sing the praises of B&H, and I had purchased the tripod from B&H, and after searching their website without success for Sirui replacement rubber feet, I called-in. I spoke to 'Jacob'. I explained my problem and asked if he might know of a compatible replacement rubber foot.

Before I could even take my next breath, he gruffly responded "You'll have to call Sirui." So what was missing here? Well, no inquiry as to whether I had purchased the item from B&H, no mention of "I'm sorry we can't help you with this matter but...."

Just a gruff "You'll have to call Sirui," after which I politely replied "Thank You" and ended the call.

BTW, I called Sirui USA and was told that I must submit a service request on their website complete with serial number and bill of sale/receipt. I located the information, submitted a request and I haven't heard back from them yet.

Despite my displeasure with B&H, I did order another manufacturer's replacement product from B&H and it is now installed.

So I ask, where's the customer service? Where's the courtesy?

TY

doclrb
I know this post will likely trigger the B&H f... (show quote)


Wah Wah Wah

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Jun 21, 2019 11:46:58   #
Bill_de Loc: US
 
Threads like this are always fascinating. I just reread the original post, and here is what transpired.

"Just a gruff "You'll have to call Sirui," after which I politely replied "Thank You" and ended the call."

OP asked a question. Once it was answered he made no further inquires. He said thank you and ended the call. The rep didn't cut him short, the OP ended the call. The rep probably thinks it was a successful call.

When I was still working I got a call from a woman who started with, "I know this is going to be a problem" and went on to list all the companies she had problems with. At the risk of getting a complaint I asked her if it is possible that she, not everybody else, is the problem?

After a short silence she said, "You could be right". Together we took care of her issue. To my surprise she sent a letter to my boss telling her that I deserved a raise.

People are people and there are at least two sides to every story.

--

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Jun 21, 2019 11:57:01   #
flashgordonbrown Loc: Silverdale, WA
 
mwsilvers wrote:
Was he nasty to you? Did he not respond to your question with the appropriate feedback? What was gruff about his response? Did you need him to hold your hand and tell you how very very sorry he was before he told you to call the vendor? How would his answer have changed if he first asked if you were a customer. Seems to me you called and found out very quickly that you needed to call the vendor. Nothing at all happened that was worthy of you complaining to us about it.


Apparantly you don't understand the concept of "customer service". While I have no experience with B & H, I do have experience in customer service at a large photo retailer in Los Angeles many years ago. There was NEVER any excuse to reply gruffly or curtly to someone, either in person or on the phone. It was up to us to take the 'high road' in any conversation, no matter what was going on in our lives at the moment. And yes, what happened in this case IS worthy of complaint and discussion. If we don't speak up when we feel there's a problem, we eliminate any possibility of improvement in the situation.

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Jun 21, 2019 11:58:21   #
NormanTheGr8 Loc: Racine, Wisconsin
 
jerryc41 wrote:
The "Voice on the Phone" is the company. A rude or indifferent person gives the whole company a bad name. Unfortunately, no company can control how all their employees behave all the time. As long as these unpleasant experiences are the exception, you can maintain a good relationship with a company. You have to consider the company as a whole: products, prices, return policy, etc.

A related peeve for me is people dealing with the public without a smile. I've worked at several jobs in which I dealt with the public all day. A smile is easy to form, and it goes a long way toward making transactions more pleasant.
The "Voice on the Phone" is the company.... (show quote)



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Jun 21, 2019 11:58:25   #
mwsilvers Loc: Central New Jersey
 
rehess wrote:
From the word "again" that ends the title of this thread, can we assume you have had similar problems in the past??

Good pickup. I missed that.

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Jun 21, 2019 12:00:26   #
47greyfox Loc: on the edge of the Colorado front range
 
Did you call sales or customer service? I’ve seen that kind of attitude on numerous occasions from sales people. If they sense you aren’t buying, they want to move to the next call ASAP. Customer service, on the other hand, at least sound more sympathetic. Then again, there are days.... his previous call might have really given him grief and he hadn’t quite recovered, then.... you called!

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Jun 21, 2019 12:00:45   #
JFCoupe Loc: Kent, Washington
 
Intermediate solution suggestion:

I lost a rubber foot for my Gitzo tripod. I took one of the remaining tips to the hardware store and purchased a machine hex head bolt of the same diameter. I also purchased a nut so that I could control how far into the tripod to put the bolt. Then I wrapped the bolt in black electrical tape to keep it from damaging floors or other surfaces.

I confess that this quick fix lasted for more than a year until I finally ordered replacement feet from, you guessed it, B & H. They came in packages of three for about $27.00

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Jun 21, 2019 12:10:48   #
mwsilvers Loc: Central New Jersey
 
BuckeyeBilly wrote:
Wow! This has been a brutal post. I can't believe how MANY of you have just blindly stood up for this customer service rep. Look, I don't care what time of day it is, how trivial the question may seem, that maybe he's just having a bad day, or, especially that he's from New York and that's just the way they are which just happens to be the lamest, most ridiculous EXCUSE ever! I believe doclrb. Why? Go back and read his post. It is clear, to the point, and dares to report a problem with a company that enjoys a "satisfactory" reputation among UHH'ers without getting nasty about it himself. This incident should be reported to management with the name of the rep exposed because it just simply is NOT good service, and a tone of voice is just as revealing about a company's experience and reputation as is knowledge and information. Period.
Wow! This has been a brutal post. I can't believe ... (show quote)

The problem many of us are having as a result of his original rant is that it is such an incredibly minor incident and did not warrant creating a thread to complain about B&H. This whole thread is about not having a warm fuzzy feeling after his phone call. Does B&H really deserve to be flamed for that? The OP needs a little perspective.

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Jun 21, 2019 12:38:16   #
lschiz Loc: Elgin, IL
 
What is more unfortunate than the loss of a part or your problem is the fact that this gentleman has no clue what customer service is all about. Even if he knew from the onset he could not help you he was totally on the line. Customer service people do not have bad days when they’re talking to customers. If he’s trained right and has the right attitude and perspective, then he is there to help you. That doesn’t mean he hast to find a part, locate the part and get you the part but he is there to help you. I’m amazed at how many people across all of our experiences do not understand customer service.
Anyway that’s my two cents regarding his reply.

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Jun 21, 2019 12:45:31   #
Wyoshooter
 
So he responded to your request in a Minor Key. Would you feel better if it was in a Major Key? He gave you the info you needed and Sirui is going to fix it. What’s not to like about that?

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Jun 21, 2019 12:51:16   #
Max002
 
I have used B&H with some frustration but find their service to be "ok".
I have worked customer service and it sucks for the most part because I find most people are dirt to deal with. But that is my experience.
If the person working in customer service would have the attitude, "how can I help?", regardless of how bad his personal life was, there would have been a better exchange.
That said, on the consumer end, what do you expect these days? Imagine dealing with an endless line of ignorance, all of them wanting perfect attention.

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Jun 21, 2019 12:51:26   #
mwsilvers Loc: Central New Jersey
 
flashgordonbrown wrote:
Apparantly you don't understand the concept of "customer service". While I have no experience with B & H, I do have experience in customer service at a large photo retailer in Los Angeles many years ago. There was NEVER any excuse to reply gruffly or curtly to someone, either in person or on the phone. It was up to us to take the 'high road' in any conversation, no matter what was going on in our lives at the moment. And yes, what happened in this case IS worthy of complaint and discussion. If we don't speak up when we feel there's a problem, we eliminate any possibility of improvement in the situation.
Apparantly you don't understand the concept of &q... (show quote)


I certainly do understand the concept of customer service, I also know that there are some customers who are a pain in the A$$ and make a big deal out of nothing and are never happy. I'm not being critical of him because he was unhappy with the level of customer service he received. It's because he felt the need to flame B&H in a thread read by people all around the world for this fairly trivial slight of not getting a warm and fuzzy feeling from the representative at B&H. But it's not stopping him from buying from them. Do you write a post on the internet flaming every single person or business who does not meet your customer service expectations? Based on what he told us there was absolutely no other reason for his complaint and he can be easily dismissed as a whiner.

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