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Jun 6, 2019 13:48:50   #
Cheese
 
I disagree with the edits. There is no artistic license with skin tone. If the original photo accurately reflects the skin tone of the subject, then no editing is necessary. If one of the re-worked photos is closer to the actual skin tone of the subject, then the client's complaint is justified. You cannot do a Michael Jackson on skin tones simply for artistic or aesthetic reasons.

As I said earlier, we need to compare this photo with one that met the client's approval, in order to better understand why she did not like it.

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Jun 6, 2019 13:58:27   #
rcarol
 
Cheese wrote:
I disagree with the edits. There is no artistic license with skin tone. If the original photo accurately reflects the skin tone of the subject, then no editing is necessary. If one of the re-worked photos is closer to the actual skin tone of the subject, then the client's complaint is justified. You cannot do a Michael Jackson on skin tones simply for artistic or aesthetic reasons.

As I said earlier, we need to compare this photo with one that met the client's approval, in order to better understand why she did not like it.
I disagree with the edits. There is no artistic li... (show quote)


I disagree with your statement that there is no artistic license with skin tones. Portrait studios retouch extensively to the point of altering exposure and color balance if it enhances the image. In this case, the client expressed her discontent with this image by telling the photographer that the image was too dark. I'm not sure what more you need to convince yourself that the image needs further processing.

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Jun 6, 2019 14:13:05   #
speters Loc: Grangeville/Idaho
 
Dr Rae wrote:
I would like some feedback on this image please. It was part of a gallery of 20 images presented to a client. She did not like 12 out of the 20 including this one. She commented that they are look dark and too edited. I asked if she meant the skin tones were too dark or the surroundings and she said both. I would like to be open minded about how I could improve. Mid day sun, natural light, 5-in-1 Silver side towards them at my feet to add a little light to their faces. F5.6, 1/320, ISO 200, 82 mm, hand held.
I would like some feedback on this image please. ... (show quote)


Why just not add a little exposure in pp and see if she likes it? After all, you do not need to please yourself, the clients opinion is all that matters (their's the standard)!

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Jun 6, 2019 18:28:31   #
pithydoug Loc: Catskill Mountains, NY
 
Dr Rae wrote:
I would like some feedback on this image please. It was part of a gallery of 20 images presented to a client. She did not like 12 out of the 20 including this one. She commented that they are look dark and too edited. I asked if she meant the skin tones were too dark or the surroundings and she said both. I would like to be open minded about how I could improve. Mid day sun, natural light, 5-in-1 Silver side towards them at my feet to add a little light to their faces. F5.6, 1/320, ISO 200, 82 mm, hand held.
I would like some feedback on this image please. ... (show quote)


A quick and dirty.



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Jun 7, 2019 06:27:46   #
SonyBug
 
rcarol wrote:
I personally think that the exposure on the dark skin tones needs to be lightened to bring out the detail in their faces. While you could argue that the overall exposure is correct the skin tones are too dark in my opinion. I've added my rendition of the couple after processing it to my liking.


I am glad that someone took it on themselves to adjust this. I agree with the adjustments, not the original. They were too dark. Fill flash aimed at the faces would have helped this image, but PP did it too. I have taken portraits of white and black people, alone and separately, and I always made sure the faces were light enough. Look at the transition of skin and hair on the woman and you will see that the face tones were too dark.

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Jun 7, 2019 06:39:11   #
LCD
 
The couples features are harder to make out in the original. The various edits bring out those features. As said, the original may be truer to the original but the various edits mimics the way our eyes can adjust how we see things in these situations.

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Jun 7, 2019 06:43:16   #
traderjohn Loc: New York City
 
Dr Rae wrote:
I would like some feedback on this image please. It was part of a gallery of 20 images presented to a client. She did not like 12 out of the 20 including this one. She commented that they are look dark and too edited. I asked if she meant the skin tones were too dark or the surroundings and she said both. I would like to be open minded about how I could improve. Mid day sun, natural light, 5-in-1 Silver side towards them at my feet to add a little light to their faces. F5.6, 1/320, ISO 200, 82 mm, hand held.
I would like some feedback on this image please. ... (show quote)


I think she's right. The features of the man are lost.

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Jun 7, 2019 07:35:19   #
fourg1b2006 Loc: Long Island New York
 
I like the 2nd version very much.

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Jun 7, 2019 07:47:54   #
jbk224 Loc: Long Island, NY
 
All of these comments are constructive. We need to see something she likes. This will provide a benchmark for everything. And, did you take RAW?

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Jun 7, 2019 08:05:38   #
traderjohn Loc: New York City
 
traderjohn wrote:
I think she's right. The features of the man are lost.


The "quick and dirty" opens up the man's features. Much better than the first picture.

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Jun 7, 2019 08:22:23   #
jbk224 Loc: Long Island, NY
 
While I may agree with the edits suggested; what is more important here? The photographer's take? Our take? or the client's preferences?

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Jun 7, 2019 08:55:51   #
markngolf Loc: Bridgewater, NJ
 
pithydoug wrote:
I totally agree with the client that pics are too dark. Nice edit considering you were working with a small thumbnail . I was going to do an edit but was going to ask that he post with the store original option. Shooting people of color is not easy and almost always need careful post processing

For a shot like this you need to at least turn the highlights all the way down and the shadows almost all the way up. From there you can add clarity, vibrance and sharpening to taste.


Excellent edit!! I thought the original image posted was not a very good exposure. The subjects were too dark.
Mark

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Jun 7, 2019 09:26:25   #
StevenG Loc: Long Island, NY
 
Dr Rae wrote:
I would like some feedback on this image please. It was part of a gallery of 20 images presented to a client. She did not like 12 out of the 20 including this one. She commented that they are look dark and too edited. I asked if she meant the skin tones were too dark or the surroundings and she said both. I would like to be open minded about how I could improve. Mid day sun, natural light, 5-in-1 Silver side towards them at my feet to add a little light to their faces. F5.6, 1/320, ISO 200, 82 mm, hand held.
I would like some feedback on this image please. ... (show quote)


I agree with the client. The skin tones look too dark to me. I think rcarol’s editing is a big improvement.
Steve

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Jun 7, 2019 09:43:20   #
art pear Loc: North Dakota
 
Tough situation to shoot, but the people are underexposed. Nice composition.

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Jun 7, 2019 09:48:39   #
Dan Mc Loc: NM
 
The composition and tones seem OK to me, but the pose and attire confuse me as a viewer. Is this some kind of wedding photo? She appears to be in a wedding dress, but he is in tennis attire????

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