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Jun 2, 2019 11:37:05   #
Hip Coyote
 
We travel quite a bit. Used to worry about taking pics of the various sites, but as my photography progressed I started including people in the photos. Then interaction amongst people is fascinating. They are my true interest. You may be able to take pics of the Vatican but taking photos of nuns taking photos in the Vatican is better. So consider changing gears on what you shoot. Also leave the tripod home. They are a menace in most situations. If you want to see inspired photography of a historical site look up the “Ghosts of Auschwitz.” Masterful photography. There, he may have used a tripod with permission. But you will get an idea of what I’m talking about. Adapt and overcome.

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Jun 2, 2019 11:41:23   #
Bazbo Loc: Lisboa, Portugal
 
pmorin wrote:
Having recently returned from a monthlong trip to Europe, I wanted to rant just a bit about the way the tourists seem to have no respect for anyone but themselves. They will walk in front of your camera, hold their iPhone up in front of your lens just as you snap, walk into you as your setting up because they’re looking at a cell phone or as the case in this photo, just totally screw with your shot. Yes, I can clone it out, but why can’t people just have some consideration. This dude just walked up and set his camera in front of mine while I was shooting in Venice. His shot could have been done on the other side of me, there was plenty of room that late at night. Took all I had to not bump him over the side of the canal

The local people are fine, but it’s mostly the hordes that get off the Cruise Ships that are such as#0/e$. And of course dipsticks like this guy.
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That is part of the travel adventure, don't you think? All of us have experienced this, but I consider it part of getting out of my comfort zone. What usually works for me is politely asking the self-absorbed to please step out of my frame. Even if there is a language barrier, what you need is easy to pantomime.

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Jun 2, 2019 11:41:46   #
rrayrob Loc: Las Vegas, NV
 
It's not only Europe, but everywhere. Seems people have lost the ability to be cordial and considerate and respectful of one another. It's all about ME, MINE and I....and to hell with you. Now with the advent of the cell phone/camera & iPad it's even worse. Was at Swabacher Landing @ Grand Tetons one early morning and set up tripod and camera framing the shot I so wanted. Other photogs there were respectful of one another, the guy next to me moved his camera bag out of my view when I asked him politely. So just before the sun comes up the bus arrives and the hordes decend upon this iconic place. And as those with tripods who had been there at least 1 hour prior had the best places, this woman with her cell phone proceeds to step right in front of my tripod/camera and stands there waiting for the sun light up the Tetons. I cleared my throat and politely asked her to move as she blocking my view. Nothing - just continued to stand there. So I said in a not so polite tone "Hey lady, I was here first and you have to move Now". She looked at me and said I was being rude......replied "No you are the one being rude and disrespectful. We have been here for hours and you think it's OK to show up a few minutes beforehand and stand in front of other people's cameras and tripods. Well, it's not ... so move, NOW." So off she went in a huff. The guy next to me leaned over and said "God, I wish I had your balls and thank you for speaking up." If you chose to be inconsiderate of your fellow man, and photographers, then you deserve what you get. I find most photographers will ask others if they are in their shot before setting up. Sorry for your experience in Venice.

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Jun 2, 2019 11:41:46   #
pmorin Loc: Huntington Beach, Palm Springs
 
My my, I seemed to have stirred up some Attic dwellers along with some who jump to conclusions easily.

I can also see those that recognize the problem and deal with at their comfort level. For those that inquired, yes, I was polite and I had waited to make my shot after everyone else had finished, or so I thought. This one came back again just as I was releasing the shutter.
Being tall, I usually have the advantage of the others with cell phones. But the selfie sticks are everywhere. I have my cloning/repair work cut out for me. Even then my wife insists that I be pleasant, smile and try to find something positive in it all. I would guess she wants me happy and if photography makes me angry than the proverbial shit would hit the fan. She says angry people are unhappy people. So I try my best and every now and then I write something out. It helps.
I apologize if my rant made anyone angry. But the anger was always yours to own or shed.

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Jun 2, 2019 12:01:43   #
Beemer
 
rook2c4 wrote:
Carrying a big camera doesn't give one special privileges. No more than a tourist without a camera. What I see here are two photographers fighting over the same view! From an outside perspective, a rather funny situation.


Rook”, was thinking the same thing. I want a good picture as much as the next shutterbug. A cruise or bus tour is challenging.

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Jun 2, 2019 12:08:15   #
zug55 Loc: Naivasha, Kenya, and Austin, Texas
 
In the age of Facebook and Instagram, a global tourism circuit has evolved where the masses go to all the same places. If you travel by cruise ship you cannot escape it--you actually are part of it. All the groups go up the same mountains in the Swiss Alps (like the Schilthorn or the Pilatus), while there are many other great mountain destinations with virtually no foreign tourists. Everybody wants to see the Mona Lisa in Paris and see Versailles Castle. Venice is drowning in mass tourism--quite literally. If you move within these circuits you will find stressed, unfriendly, and rude tourists who are all part of the same rat race that is modern mass tourism, and you likely will become one of them. So you either put up with it or plan your travels accordingly--I mentioned some strategies in an earlier post in this thread.

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Jun 2, 2019 12:11:13   #
jaycoffman Loc: San Diego
 
I always sort of liked cruise ships because they kept thousands of tourists sort of channelled into the t-shirt alleys. But lately it seems you can't get away from them. My solution now is to put the ships out on our desert and erect drive-in screens that will play exotic backgrounds and to hire people to erect t-shirt stands and wear exotic clothes all around the ship. Sorry to all of you who actually want to see the world and like traveling on cruise ships and for all who are considerate travelers, but . . .

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Jun 2, 2019 12:58:38   #
14kphotog Loc: Marietta, Ohio
 
Bill_de wrote:
He gave you a shot you wouldn't have gotten without his help and gave you something to rant about. You should send a thank you card.

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You should have given him a free swimming lesson, or kick his tripod as you pass.

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Jun 2, 2019 13:19:28   #
Pauld
 
bpulv wrote:
The problem may be the way cruise ship tours are operated. ... It was a two hour drive to Parris, the bus rushed around the city. ... The majority of the new European tour busses have polarized windows that not only preclude the use of a polarizing filter on your camera, but also amplify reflections on the windows from the inside of the bus. Because they try to cram too much into a tour so they can say that you will see everything, the busses often fly past the sights you most want to photograph. Then there are the "photo stops". Depending on the tour, there may be one or two and they are often too short to get good photographs because there is no time to go far from the herd and everyone is climbing over one another to get a shot.
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Which is why we minimize our big bus tours. We prefer small (12 or less) or private tours, even on cruises if it makes sense. And generally they are a better value, you can see more, stay as long or as short at a place as you want, and get those photo stops when you want them. Big bus tours seem to be hit or miss - we have had some big bus tours that were fine, but more that were not as good as one might expect, or outright duds.

I hope you can make it back to Paris for a week, to really see the city. It is a beautiful city. Walk the city streets and neighborhoods, take a river cruise, the Louvre, lunch on the Eiffel Tower, hot chocolate at Angelina's, ice cream at Berthillon , and so much more.

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Jun 2, 2019 13:19:52   #
RRS Loc: Not sure
 
bpulv wrote:
The problem may be the way cruise ship tours are operated. On a cruise my wife and I took last year around the British Isles, we stopped at eight ports of call in ten days. At only one port did the ship stay over night and allow us a second full day. Almost all cruise ships stop at each port for only one short day. They typically arrive in port just before dawn. By the time they are ready to disembark all the passengers going ashore, half the morning is shot. The ships typically sail in the late afternoon following at least a couple of hours getting the passengers back aboard. As a result, there is a lot of pressure on passengers, most of which have never been to the location and may never be there again, to see as much as they can in the very little time they have been afforded. It should be no wonder that some tourist that feeling the pressure of seeing and photographing as much as possible in a limited time frame may become oblivious to other photographers or act with short tempers.

Although we have been on several cruises and port tours, our British Isles cruise provides a typical example. Our ship's last port of call was La Harve, France. We had never been to France, so instead of taking the close by Normandy tour, we took the Parris Tour. It was a two hour drive to Parris, the bus rushed around the city. We drove quickly around the traffic circle at the Arc de Triomphe where photography was very difficult from the bus. Because the tour guide was narrating the tour from the front of the bus and we were in the back, we were trying to pick out one sight while she was talking about the next. As a result, I have a whole bunch of pictures that I have no idea of what they are of. The only real stop we made was at Notre Dame. There was sufficient time to photograph a decent amount of the interior. After that, it was back on the bus which drove by the Eiffel Tower over a mile away. A couple of us had to talk nicely to the bus driver to get him to agree to stop long enough to jump off the bus and shoot a few frames (less than five minutes) after which we drove another two hours back to the ship.

For the most part, photographers are an afterthought for the tour operators. It starts with the buses themselves. The majority of the new European tour busses have polarized windows that not only preclude the use of a polarizing filter on your camera, but also amplify reflections on the windows from the inside of the bus. Because they try to cram too much into a tour so they can say that you will see everything, the busses often fly past the sights you most want to photograph. Then there are the "photo stops". Depending on the tour, there may be one or two and they are often too short to get good photographs because there is no time to go far from the herd and everyone is climbing over one another to get a shot. Add to that the fact that there may be five or more buses from the same ship following each other and making the same stops at the same times, it is a wonder that there isn't more discourtesy.
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There's a much better way to see Europe, skip those damn tours and go on your own. You can stay where and as long as you want or can afford. I like to fly into England, take the Ferry to Holland and then the trains to Germany or whatever country you want to see. Buy your train and bus passes before leaving this country. We also do our money exchange here at our local bank too. Been doing it that way for years.

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Jun 2, 2019 13:26:58   #
rmalarz Loc: Tempe, Arizona
 
And to some other tourist you were probably the person in the way of his/her monumental photographic moment.
--Bob
pmorin wrote:
Having recently returned from a monthlong trip to Europe, I wanted to rant just a bit about the way the tourists seem to have no respect for anyone but themselves. They will walk in front of your camera, hold their iPhone up in front of your lens just as you snap, walk into you as your setting up because they’re looking at a cell phone or as the case in this photo, just totally screw with your shot. Yes, I can clone it out, but why can’t people just have some consideration. This dude just walked up and set his camera in front of mine while I was shooting in Venice. His shot could have been done on the other side of me, there was plenty of room that late at night. Took all I had to not bump him over the side of the canal

The local people are fine, but it’s mostly the hordes that get off the Cruise Ships that are such as#0/e$. And of course dipsticks like this guy.
Having recently returned from a monthlong trip to ... (show quote)

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Jun 2, 2019 13:27:09   #
Bobspez Loc: Southern NJ, USA
 
FrankR wrote:
No tourists, no experience, no cultural exchange, no discovery, no memories, no photos, no thank you.


Enjoy it while you can. Been through most of the US except the South. Enjoyed travelling by Rail up and down both coasts and cross country and through Mexico to Guadalajara. Enjoyed driving and vacationing through NY, NJ, Penn., and all of New England and up into Canada, as well as all of California and cross country from California to Colorado and back. Wanted to see Europe when I was younger but lost the desire. The Staten Island Ferry was my only cruise.

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Jun 2, 2019 13:39:30   #
davidf_logan Loc: Logan, Utah
 
I would argue that, rude as it may be, if people like that are taking the same photograph as you are then just buy a postcard.

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Jun 2, 2019 13:55:29   #
Polock
 
https://www.cnn.com/travel/article/amsterdam-overtourism/index.html

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Jun 2, 2019 14:07:04   #
timeve
 
Yea, their like that everywhere you go.

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