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May 17, 2019 13:13:40   #
wdcarrier Loc: Eureka, California
 
Every time you enter a commercial facility (WalMart, Costco, McDonalds, etc. ), a government facility (courthouse, post office, etc.) or even walk down a public sidewalk, your photograph is being recorded on video. It would seem anyone worrying about someone with a camera/cell phone at a public event would be over the top.

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May 17, 2019 13:19:09   #
rmalarz Loc: Tempe, Arizona
 
Not so fast with the name calling. The indoors of a museum may or may not be public property. That would be the determining factor. How much expectation of privacy does one have inside a public museum? None, within reason. If the museum is a private building the owners and their assigns are the determining factor on whether photos are even permitted inside. In some cases, photography within the confines of a public museum is also regulated. So, requesting a person not photograph someone may be a legitimate request.
--Bob
Los-Angeles-Shooter wrote:
The teacher is a liar, an idiot, an ignoramus. Take your pick.

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May 17, 2019 13:34:14   #
Selene03
 
Dawntin wrote:
https://www.photographybay.com/photography-laws/ Check this website.

Click on each state to compare and contrast with others. Had found a really great graphic map of the US that allowed quicker access to info. A search with the words "state by state photography laws" will give a lot of websites with lots of varying info..... ergo, my confusion.


Thank you for this link. There is a lot of valuable information here.

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May 17, 2019 14:32:00   #
Cracker-barrel Philosopher Loc: Duluth, MN
 
Cartier-Bresson photographed people for decades in mainly Paris but other places as well. He was chased several times by the unhappy but he didn't bother with asking for a signed release in his street photography. Today, I'd say try to avoid children that can be identified or it looks like they are the main subject and not just incidental. Releases are definitely necessary if the photos are used for commercial, endorsement or other promotional purposes. News and educational publication of people photos don't generally need releases.

Dawntin wrote:
I belong to a small photographers club. The question arose about taking photographs in which people are in public places and participating in public events, (e.g., athletic events, public parks, local fairs, street scenes, etc.). Turns out almost everyone had her/his own "ethical" standards. We did a little online research and found that, in the US, there is quite a bit of state-to-state difference in what should be considered both legal and ethical standards.

Since I tend to prefer photos without people, I'd never really given the matter much thought. When I've taken pictures of people, the photos are of family members or friends attending parties or fun events. Now, though, I'm more confused than ever.

This leads me to asking, what ethical, legal, and just old-fashioned good manners should be considered for folks who are basically hobbyist photographers and love the creative outlet of taking photographs?

Most folks agree a "model release form" is necessary if they are photographing someone that may end up in an ad or involve commercial use for the photograph. Even more were adamant about not taking photos of children.

Would appreciate discussion of this issue, information, or specific protocol suggestions on this matter.
I belong to a small photographers club. The quest... (show quote)

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May 17, 2019 15:25:53   #
SteveR Loc: Michigan
 
Tom Daniels wrote:
THEIR IS NOT ANSWER TO THIS QUESTION. COMMON SENSE ABOUT THE SCENE AND HOW
YOU HANDLE WILL WORK. LEGAL? WE JUST SHOT A RUNNING EVENT WITH 3500 PEOPLE.
SOME WE GET QUICK INTERVIEW COMMENTS. SOME ARE ON THE COURSES FOR MARATHONS ETC.
TALK TO THEM BEFORE RACE AND AFTER WHERE THEY HAVE A PARTY.
I AM A PRO MARKETING CREATIVE GUY. I KNOW THE DEAL. BUT THAT DOES NOT
ANSWER THE QUESTION OF WHAT TO DO. COMMON SENSE. NOT SPEND MY LIFE
WORRYING ABOUT WHAT MIGHT HAPPEN. ENJOY THE EXPERIENCES.
INTERSTING POINT. I VERY GOOD JOURNALISTIC, NG WAS IN AN ARTICLE.
HE SAID THE CAMERA TYPE WAS A BIG DEAL INTERNATIONALLY. WITH HIS FF CANON
AND A BIG ZOOM HE HAD PROBLEMS. SUSPICION BY PEOPLE WHO FELT HE WAS
TAKING ADVANTAGE OF THEIR PLIGHT. THIEVES EYEING THE GEAR. HE SWITCHED
TO MIRRORLESS WITH SMALLER LENS. THAT SORT OF WORKED. FINALLY SETTLED
ON A SMALLER QUALITY COMPACT STYLE GREAT CAMERA. THE LOW PROFILE
CHANGED THE GAME. HE WAS A FLY ON THE WALL.
THEIR IS NOT ANSWER TO THIS QUESTION. COMMON SENSE... (show quote)


Please do no use all caps. It's like looking into car headlights with the brights on.

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May 17, 2019 15:31:54   #
SteveR Loc: Michigan
 
Los-Angeles-Shooter wrote:
The teacher is a liar, an idiot, an ignoramus. Take your pick.


You've lost some cred here, LAS. I specifically indicated that these children, as special needs children, had protections that others might not have regarding being photographed while under the auspices of a school field trip. Yet you seem to know more than the professionals protecting these children. Perhaps you know Texas law as well.

As far as the teacher being a liar, idiot or ignoramus. Prove it.....or remain one yourself.

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May 17, 2019 16:57:40   #
repleo Loc: Boston
 
Dawntin wrote:
I belong to a small photographers club. The question arose about taking photographs in which people are in public places and participating in public events, (e.g., athletic events, public parks, local fairs, street scenes, etc.). Turns out almost everyone had her/his own "ethical" standards. We did a little online research and found that, in the US, there is quite a bit of state-to-state difference in what should be considered both legal and ethical standards.

Since I tend to prefer photos without people, I'd never really given the matter much thought. When I've taken pictures of people, the photos are of family members or friends attending parties or fun events. Now, though, I'm more confused than ever.

This leads me to asking, what ethical, legal, and just old-fashioned good manners should be considered for folks who are basically hobbyist photographers and love the creative outlet of taking photographs?

Most folks agree a "model release form" is necessary if they are photographing someone that may end up in an ad or involve commercial use for the photograph. Even more were adamant about not taking photos of children.

Would appreciate discussion of this issue, information, or specific protocol suggestions on this matter.
I belong to a small photographers club. The quest... (show quote)


You don’t need a release form to photograph anybody anywhere. A release form is only necessary for the commercial publication of the persons image and the onus is on the publisher.
How many times a day is your photo taken by security cameras without your permission?
However, that does not protect you from other laws like trespassing, Peeping Tom, child porno or angry mothers.

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May 17, 2019 17:12:22   #
rmalarz Loc: Tempe, Arizona
 
There were also far fewer starving lawyers in those days, as well.
--Bob
Cracker-barrel Philosopher wrote:
Cartier-Bresson photographed people for decades in mainly Paris but other places as well. He was chased several times by the unhappy but he didn't bother with asking for a signed release in his street photography. Today, I'd say try to avoid children that can be identified or it looks like they are the main subject and not just incidental. Releases are definitely necessary if the photos are used for commercial, endorsement or other promotional purposes. News and educational publication of people photos don't generally need releases.
Cartier-Bresson photographed people for decades in... (show quote)

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May 17, 2019 21:48:52   #
frankraney Loc: Clovis, Ca.
 
rmalarz wrote:
Asking removes the spontaneity for which street photography is famous.
--Bob



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May 17, 2019 21:52:13   #
frankraney Loc: Clovis, Ca.
 
Los-Angeles-Shooter wrote:
The teacher is a liar, an idiot, an ignoramus. Take your pick.


Absolutely not... She was correct. This was not a public place, and children should never be photographed without patents permission, especially the handicaped.

And ANYONE can ask you not to photograph them, even in a public place, and you SHOULD respect their wishes. Do you have to legally, maybe not. But it could save your camera and you from damages.

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May 17, 2019 21:57:45   #
frankraney Loc: Clovis, Ca.
 
SteveR wrote:
Please do no use all caps. It's like looking into car headlights with the brights on.


It's also yelling.....

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May 17, 2019 22:01:34   #
frankraney Loc: Clovis, Ca.
 
wdcarrier wrote:
Every time you enter a commercial facility (WalMart, Costco, McDonalds, etc. ), a government facility (courthouse, post office, etc.) or even walk down a public sidewalk, your photograph is being recorded on video. It would seem anyone worrying about someone with a camera/cell phone at a public event would be over the top.


These places do so and can, for security reasons, just as you probably do in your own house. These are not public places, they are private.

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May 17, 2019 22:05:54   #
frankraney Loc: Clovis, Ca.
 
repleo wrote:
You don’t need a release form to photograph anybody anywhere. A release form is only necessary for the commercial publication of the persons image and the onus is on the publisher.
How many times a day is your photo taken by security cameras without your permission?
However, that does not protect you from other laws like trespassing, Peeping Tom, child porno or angry mothers.


You may be technically correct. But, without a release, if one is needed, you can't even show the photo to a friend or post it here. It would be for your eyes only...... What good is that?

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May 17, 2019 22:38:52   #
frankraney Loc: Clovis, Ca.
 
Tom Daniels wrote:
THEIR IS NOT ANSWER TO THIS QUESTION. COMMON SENSE ABOUT THE SCENE AND HOW
YOU HANDLE WILL WORK. LEGAL? WE JUST SHOT A RUNNING EVENT WITH 3500 PEOPLE.
SOME WE GET QUICK INTERVIEW COMMENTS. SOME ARE ON THE COURSES FOR MARATHONS ETC.
TALK TO THEM BEFORE RACE AND AFTER WHERE THEY HAVE A PARTY.
I AM A PRO MARKETING CREATIVE GUY. I KNOW THE DEAL. BUT THAT DOES NOT
ANSWER THE QUESTION OF WHAT TO DO. COMMON SENSE. NOT SPEND MY LIFE
WORRYING ABOUT WHAT MIGHT HAPPEN. ENJOY THE EXPERIENCES.
INTERSTING POINT. I VERY GOOD JOURNALISTIC, NG WAS IN AN ARTICLE.
HE SAID THE CAMERA TYPE WAS A BIG DEAL INTERNATIONALLY. WITH HIS FF CANON
AND A BIG ZOOM HE HAD PROBLEMS. SUSPICION BY PEOPLE WHO FELT HE WAS
TAKING ADVANTAGE OF THEIR PLIGHT. THIEVES EYEING THE GEAR. HE SWITCHED
TO MIRRORLESS WITH SMALLER LENS. THAT SORT OF WORKED. FINALLY SETTLED
ON A SMALLER QUALITY COMPACT STYLE GREAT CAMERA. THE LOW PROFILE
CHANGED THE GAME. HE WAS A FLY ON THE WALL.
THEIR IS NOT ANSWER TO THIS QUESTION. COMMON SENSE... (show quote)


You're a pro, and talk in broken English and type in all caps? Wow.

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May 18, 2019 02:41:44   #
Grahame Loc: Fiji
 
Los-Angeles-Shooter wrote:
The teacher is a liar, an idiot, an ignoramus. Take your pick.



What an absolutely ridiculous comment, obviously made by someone totally ignorant of many school policies.

I live on a small island in the pacific, some would say a third world country and very backward, but even here we have rules and regulations regarding photographing our children and use of the images when under supervision of their schools.

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