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Sep 1, 2012 16:13:19   #
ngc1514 Loc: Atlanta, Ga., Lancaster, Oh. and Stuart, Fl.
 
HEART wrote:
Greymule - you've answered your own point. If "religious myths" are just that, then clearly they can "safely be ignored." However, science cannot answer one simple question: WHY? Science can only cite the Who, What, Where, and How of any theory or position. The "Why" is unanswerable, leading only to another "Why?". God has the answers to the "why's" guys of science. Unfortunately, they will prove their own undoing.

What makes you think "why" is a significant question?

The obvious answer is "just because."

Asking "why" requires a presupposition there is a purpose to anything. On what basis are you making that presupposition?

Why do you think there has to be a "why?"

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Sep 1, 2012 16:30:41   #
docrob Loc: Durango, Colorado
 
ngc1514 wrote:
Creationism isn't a theory, it's a belief. Creationists pretend it's a theory the way evolution is a theory, but it isn't. It has no business in science classes and that position has been supported many times by many different courts for the reason it's not science, but religion.

The same goes for the recent reincarnation of creationism into intelligent design and irreducible complexity. Not science, but creationism tarted up in an attempt to look like science. Again, not a theory because Michael Behe has never proposed a means of falsification.

You will have to ask the creationists why they are "trying to prove, or disprove, something not scientific using science..."
Creationism isn't a theory, it's a belief. Creati... (show quote)


A theory is simply a belief that has been operationalized so that the validity or lack thereof of the belief can be tested.

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Sep 1, 2012 16:33:17   #
docrob Loc: Durango, Colorado
 
jim charron wrote:
Croce wrote:
jim charron wrote:
ngc1514 wrote:
The evolutionary change of 2 chimp chromosomes into a single human chromosome. The placement of the the telomeres both at the end of the chromosome (as expected), but also in the middle of the joined chromosomes is strong evidence we, and chimps, share a common ancestor.


haha, when u believe you came from monkey, you behave
just like that,
look at the wrold today,
should speak volumes!


But Jim, why doesn't God show up and clean the place up? Do you believe God created man just so he would have something to toy with and torture. There is not one teeny weeny bit of evidence pointing to your belief in a benevolent God. If there is a God then he (Jesus was a he) must be more sadistic than any of his creations from Herod to Hitler and on to Assad. I could say that God spelled backward is Dog but that would be terribly denigrating to Dogs.
quote=jim charron quote=ngc1514 The evolutionary... (show quote)


Why are you so angry/bitter ???

Do a bible study with a Christian you know.
Gods ways are not our ways.
Try to understand God's creation, God's perspective,
God's plan for you.

There is a perfect reason which is too long to get into here,
for your answer.

If your judging God by what you see or what has happened to you, its just lack of understanding, of His great plan.

To love you and have a relationship with you.
All are called, few will accept.

In the end, He will make all things right.
quote=Croce quote=jim charron quote=ngc1514 The... (show quote)


vote for god than and pray we have not all missed the boat and should be Mormon's cause you know - they claim to be the lost tribe

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Sep 1, 2012 16:34:39   #
Rikster Loc: Boise, ID
 
@ sinatraman Amen brother!

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Sep 1, 2012 16:48:57   #
glennkrewson
 
By which means?

By creation, allopatric, animal husbandry, peripatric, sympatric, or by means of laboratories, and who know what other means which I haven't thought of, but perhaps you have?

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Sep 1, 2012 17:02:49   #
Croce Loc: Earth
 
DennisK wrote:
greymule wrote:
emrob62 wrote:
So are you advocating this point of view also, or just pointing it out?


I'm just pointing it out, although it seems to make sense teaching scientific facts, in lieu of religious myths.

Adults can believe what ever they want; children need to educated using scientific facts and truth to develop fully their logic and reasoning skills that are so necessary in today's world. IMHO.


You sir don't need to tell me how to raise my children/grandchildren. Just because a lot of people believe a certain way doesn't make it true. To me, science hasn't proven a damned thing.
quote=greymule quote=emrob62 So are you advocati... (show quote)


Then if you get perilously ill or injured Dennis, I trust you will pray and shun medical aid. Correct?

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Sep 1, 2012 17:04:13   #
HEART Loc: God's Country - COLORADO
 
ngc1514 wrote:
HEART wrote:
Greymule - you've answered your own point. If "religious myths" are just that, then clearly they can "safely be ignored." However, science cannot answer one simple question: WHY? Science can only cite the Who, What, Where, and How of any theory or position. The "Why" is unanswerable, leading only to another "Why?". God has the answers to the "why's" guys of science. Unfortunately, they will prove their own undoing.

What makes you think "why" is a significant question?

The obvious answer is "just because."

Asking "why" requires a presupposition there is a purpose to anything. On what basis are you making that presupposition?

Why do you think there has to be a "why?"
quote=HEART Greymule - you've answered your own p... (show quote)


"Just because" is a dolt's answer. Left unsupported, you relegate all answers just as baseless. Since science purports "facts" in rejection of religious "myths", then it is no better than a myth in its foundation.

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Sep 1, 2012 17:05:24   #
ngc1514 Loc: Atlanta, Ga., Lancaster, Oh. and Stuart, Fl.
 
glennkrewson wrote:
By which means?

By creation, allopatric, animal husbandry, peripatric, sympatric, or by means of laboratories, and who know what other means which I haven't thought of, but perhaps you have?

Just put speciation events into google and you'll find plenty.

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Sep 1, 2012 17:10:29   #
ngc1514 Loc: Atlanta, Ga., Lancaster, Oh. and Stuart, Fl.
 
HEART wrote:
ngc1514 wrote:
HEART wrote:
Greymule - you've answered your own point. If "religious myths" are just that, then clearly they can "safely be ignored." However, science cannot answer one simple question: WHY? Science can only cite the Who, What, Where, and How of any theory or position. The "Why" is unanswerable, leading only to another "Why?". God has the answers to the "why's" guys of science. Unfortunately, they will prove their own undoing.

What makes you think "why" is a significant question?

The obvious answer is "just because."

Asking "why" requires a presupposition there is a purpose to anything. On what basis are you making that presupposition?

Why do you think there has to be a "why?"
quote=HEART Greymule - you've answered your own p... (show quote)


"Just because" is a dolt's answer. Left unsupported, you relegate all answers just as baseless. Since science purports "facts" in rejection of religious "myths", then it is no better than a myth in its foundation.
quote=ngc1514 quote=HEART Greymule - you've answ... (show quote)

Ah, but you didn't answer the question at the end of my post.

Why do you think there has to be a "why"?

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Sep 1, 2012 18:05:49   #
docrob Loc: Durango, Colorado
 
Croce wrote:
DennisK wrote:
greymule wrote:
emrob62 wrote:
So are you advocating this point of view also, or just pointing it out?


I'm just pointing it out, although it seems to make sense teaching scientific facts, in lieu of religious myths.

Adults can believe what ever they want; children need to educated using scientific facts and truth to develop fully their logic and reasoning skills that are so necessary in today's world. IMHO.


You sir don't need to tell me how to raise my children/grandchildren. Just because a lot of people believe a certain way doesn't make it true. To me, science hasn't proven a damned thing.
quote=greymule quote=emrob62 So are you advocati... (show quote)


Then if you get perilously ill or injured Dennis, I trust you will pray and shun medical aid. Correct?
quote=DennisK quote=greymule quote=emrob62 So a... (show quote)


oooooo good question

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Sep 1, 2012 18:19:03   #
Hal81 Loc: Bucks County, Pa.
 
ngc1514 wrote:
The evolutionary change of 2 chimp chromosomes into a single human chromosome. The placement of the the telomeres both at the end of the chromosome (as expected), but also in the middle of the joined chromosomes is strong evidence we, and chimps, share a common ancestor.


I always wondered where you came from.

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Sep 1, 2012 18:21:11   #
Harvey Loc: Pioneer, CA
 
I thought that teaching was to teach the truth and facts not beliefs and unsupported fictional stories.
Teach math is logical - you want 2+2 to = 4
biology, science and history are all true factual classes.

And some one wants to teach rumored, folk stories instead of facts
I don't think so.

If some one believes evolution did not happen & was not still happening today they really must be from a primitive tribe without access to news and modern books instead of the Old Testament.
JMHO

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Sep 1, 2012 18:22:09   #
Hal81 Loc: Bucks County, Pa.
 
ngc1514 wrote:
HEART wrote:
ngc1514 wrote:
HEART wrote:
Greymule - you've answered your own point. If "religious myths" are just that, then clearly they can "safely be ignored." However, science cannot answer one simple question: WHY? Science can only cite the Who, What, Where, and How of any theory or position. The "Why" is unanswerable, leading only to another "Why?". God has the answers to the "why's" guys of science. Unfortunately, they will prove their own undoing.

What makes you think "why" is a significant question?

The obvious answer is "just because."

Asking "why" requires a presupposition there is a purpose to anything. On what basis are you making that presupposition?

Why do you think there has to be a "why?"
quote=HEART Greymule - you've answered your own p... (show quote)


"Just because" is a dolt's answer. Left unsupported, you relegate all answers just as baseless. Since science purports "facts" in rejection of religious "myths", then it is no better than a myth in its foundation.
quote=ngc1514 quote=HEART Greymule - you've answ... (show quote)

Ah, but you didn't answer the question at the end of my post.

Why do you think there has to be a "why"?
quote=HEART quote=ngc1514 quote=HEART Greymule ... (show quote)


If Hitler was alive you could ask him . He wanted to burn all the Bibles. If you dont have faith youll never get it.

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Sep 1, 2012 18:26:45   #
Croce Loc: Earth
 
Harvey wrote:
I thought that teaching was to teach the truth and facts not beliefs and unsupported fictional stories.
Teach math is logical - you want 2+2 to = 4
biology, science and history are all true factual classes.

And some one wants to teach rumored, folk stories instead of facts
I don't think so.

If some one believes evolution did not happen & was not still happening today they really must be from a primitive tribe without access to news and modern books instead of the Old Testament.
JMHO
I thought that teaching was to teach the truth and... (show quote)


Good post Harvey. I agree

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Sep 1, 2012 18:43:27   #
DennisK Loc: Pickle City,Illinois
 
Croce wrote:
DennisK wrote:
greymule wrote:
emrob62 wrote:
So are you advocating this point of view also, or just pointing it out?


I'm just pointing it out, although it seems to make sense teaching scientific facts, in lieu of religious myths.

Adults can believe what ever they want; children need to educated using scientific facts and truth to develop fully their logic and reasoning skills that are so necessary in today's world. IMHO.


You sir don't need to tell me how to raise my children/grandchildren. Just because a lot of people believe a certain way doesn't make it true. To me, science hasn't proven a damned thing.
quote=greymule quote=emrob62 So are you advocati... (show quote)


Then if you get perilously ill or injured Dennis, I trust you will pray and shun medical aid. Correct?
quote=DennisK quote=greymule quote=emrob62 So a... (show quote)

Don't try to twist my meanings. My grandma used to put "coal oil" on our cuts and I never got an infection. God enabled us with a brain to reason out most things.

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