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May 8, 2019 17:14:06   #
LFingar Loc: Claverack, NY
 
Abo wrote:
What you describe as "bitterness" is what I like to call
a healthy skepticism. I'm well and truly qualified to feel that way as I
was an IBM customer engineer for 17 years... and some of IBM products
took a massive nose dive (in spades) as time and technology "advanced" ???

Also my comments to Mark are just banter. He suggested that I was too old and that my eyesight is
possibly worse than I think... I don't hold that against him at all.

Furthermore LFinger your comment about the ACCO is out of context at more than just one level.

1. I compared the ACCO against an SUV. ie in civilian use. Not military use. You have twisted the concept.

2. In civilian use a stoppage would be a mechanical failure. (Or possibly electric/Electronic as well in the case of the MRAP but not the ACCO; its has no "electronics") Not a stoppage caused by war in the Middle East.

3. I compared the ACCO against an SUV however you have failed to realize in your twisting of the scenario
to driving in a Middle East war zone, that the ACCO would provide better protection than the SUV I compared it to... and that is IF I had the machines at war.
What you describe as "bitterness" is wha... (show quote)


No twisting of any scenario. You responded to Catmarley's picture of an MRAP. You even stated "your example", the photo obviously since it was the only example she presented. I responded to your comparison of the ACCO to the "high tech" MRAP to show that technology can save lives. No SUV's involved

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May 8, 2019 18:09:34   #
hobbit123 Loc: Brisbane, Australia
 
Thanks, many good replies here. It’s obvious a lot of you are passionate TV watchers, and perhaps that’s the difference, I’m not. I’d be lucky to watch TV once a month so perhaps my needs aren’t as great.

But perhaps I can steer the conversation back to my original question:

“So that leads me back to the original question, what do you do with the 4K output from your 4K enabled DSLR or mirrorless?”

The context is you have a choice between say a Fujifilm X-T2 and an X-T3 and you choose the X-T3 because of its superior video performance. Why? (Remembering you will be paying a largish premium for that extra ability).

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May 8, 2019 19:16:19   #
CatMarley Loc: North Carolina
 
LFingar wrote:
That MRAP design has saved a lot of lives. Run that ACCO over a land mine or past an IED and see if it, or the gunner driving it, get going again. Ask any soldier which one they would rather ride in in a combat zone. Given your bitterness towards "high tech", what is sitting in front of you right now, a typewriter or a keyboard and monitor?


Yes it can take a punch, but let an IED kick that puppy into a 12 foot irrigation dish, it is a bit difficult getting that 500 pound door open! Frankly I'd rather be blown up than drowned. Quicker.

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May 8, 2019 19:29:28   #
bwana Loc: Bergen, Alberta, Canada
 
hobbit123 wrote:
Or is anyone else wondering why people are going ga-ga over 4K video? Aside from the practical limitations (cropping, huge file sizes and limited clip duration due to file structure) what do you do with the output? I assume you have to own a 4K TV to display it. I don't and I don't know anyone who does. Why haven't people gone out and bought them in droves? Because the main use for a TV (for most people) is "watching TV", and TV (at least here where I live) is not broadcast in 4K. In fact it's even difficult to get DVDs in 4K and even if you do they've probably been "remastered" from the original resolution which means the quality will be no better. So that leads me back to the original question, what do you do with the 4K output from your 4K enabled DSLR or mirrorless?

I think it's a similar scam to 3D TVs. I fell for that one, and the expensive 3D glasses now sit in a drawer from where they are unlikely to ever see the light of day again.

And yesterday I received an email from an electrical retailer advertising an 8K TV...
Or is anyone else wondering why people are going g... (show quote)

I find 4K video amazing useful for capturing moving targets, i.e.: doing frame grabs of the best of the best.

Also, great for lightning shots. Shoot half an hour of lightning storms and compile the best lightning strikes.

Also, great for cropping to HDMI format video.

Gotta love 4K video AND I hope, very soon, the capability to shoot 6K and 8K!

bwa


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May 8, 2019 21:27:34   #
Bobspez Loc: Southern NJ, USA
 
I post my 4K videos on youtube. 4K not only looks better than HD (even on a 2K monitor) but gives you more ability to crop the frame without pixellating the image.

In your example, I would choose the X-T3 simply because I do shoot video as well as stills. But I don't have a 4K dslr or mirrorless. I have a couple of bridge cameras (the Coolpix B700 and the Lumix FZ80) to shoot 4K video with. I got them used on ebay for $220 for the Lumix FZ80 and $300 for the B700. The images are superior to HD shot on my dslrs and mirrorless cameras.

hobbit123 wrote:
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“So that leads me back to the original question, what do you do with the 4K output from your 4K enabled DSLR or mirrorless?”

The context is you have a choice between say a Fujifilm X-T2 and an X-T3 and you choose the X-T3 because of its superior video performance. Why? (Remembering you will be paying a largish premium for that extra ability).

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May 8, 2019 22:34:06   #
hobbit123 Loc: Brisbane, Australia
 
Bobspez wrote:
I post my 4K videos on youtube. 4K not only looks better than HD (even on a 2K monitor) but gives you more ability to crop the frame without pixellating the image.


Thanks Bob. I just had a squizz at your Little Red Rooster Youtube video. Is that the sort of quality you're referring to?

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May 8, 2019 23:31:56   #
hobbit123 Loc: Brisbane, Australia
 
I also had a look at your photo gallery. You owe it to yourself to have a look at focus stacking for macro work. It's a game changer!

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May 9, 2019 01:07:46   #
SuperflyTNT Loc: Manassas VA
 
Steve Perry wrote:
I have a 4K TV - absolutely love it and can easily see the difference between it and a 1080 display (especially with larger TVs). As for broadcast TV, who watches that anymore ? :) I stream pretty much everything now and most of it comes in 4K.



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May 9, 2019 03:32:36   #
hobbit123 Loc: Brisbane, Australia
 
bwana wrote:
Also, great for lightning shots. Shoot half an hour of lightning storms and compile the best lightning strikes.bwa


Excellent lightning!

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May 9, 2019 14:35:30   #
Bobspez Loc: Southern NJ, USA
 
hobbit123 wrote:
Thanks Bob. I just had a squizz at your Little Red Rooster Youtube video. Is that the sort of quality you're referring to?


No, that one was shot in HD, probably with a Nikon D3100. All the scenes are just crops of the wide angle view.

If you look at this one, the left side of the screen was shot in 720P by my friend with his Nikon D5000, the right side in 4K with the Coolpix B700. Set the youtube resolution to 4K with the little gear on the bottom of the frame, and watch them set to full screen. Both sides were cropped about the same. You can see the left side doesn't crop well, the right side does.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DLeM7LeVst4

There's another 4K video as well, same setup, 720P on the left and 4K on the right, but it doesn't look that good because I didn't have enough light in the room for my clip on the right side. I burnt out the image lightening it in post and I over cropped, especially the closeups. It actually looks pretty bad. But if you look at the guitar fretboard marker on my acoustic guitar in the beginning, it shows the better detail in 4K. As a result I bought the Lumix FZ80 so I could shoot the closeup and the wider angle shot at the same time, and not have to crop for closeups. I also bought some better lighting to bring the lighting in the room up.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bvq_RtUzU1Q

Here's some screengrabs of the two videos.


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May 9, 2019 14:43:59   #
BebuLamar
 
hobbit123 wrote:
Thanks, many good replies here. It’s obvious a lot of you are passionate TV watchers, and perhaps that’s the difference, I’m not. I’d be lucky to watch TV once a month so perhaps my needs aren’t as great.

But perhaps I can steer the conversation back to my original question:

“So that leads me back to the original question, what do you do with the 4K output from your 4K enabled DSLR or mirrorless?”

The context is you have a choice between say a Fujifilm X-T2 and an X-T3 and you choose the X-T3 because of its superior video performance. Why? (Remembering you will be paying a largish premium for that extra ability).
Thanks, many good replies here. It’s obvious a lo... (show quote)


I enjoy 4K movies but for your question my answer is nothing as I don't shoot video. In fact my camera can't shoot video.

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May 9, 2019 20:23:45   #
hobbit123 Loc: Brisbane, Australia
 
Bobspez wrote:
If you look at this one, the left side of the screen was shot in 720P by my friend with his Nikon D5000, the right side in 4K with the Coolpix B700. Set the youtube resolution to 4K with the little gear on the bottom of the frame, and watch them set to full screen. Both sides were cropped about the same. You can see the left side doesn't crop well, the right side does.


Thanks Bob, I'm now a believer There is a clear and very noticeable difference between the two.

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May 10, 2019 03:52:07   #
skingfong Loc: Sacramento
 
hobbit123 wrote:
Well it can't be that obvious because I have lots of experience with surround sound :-). I started off with a NAD 5.1 system at least eighteen years ago and now run a Yamaha 7.1 system. I don't dispute that it sounds great, my beef is that the media currently available doesn't utilise it. When I first installed it every DVD that came out included LFE for example but I haven't watched a DVD for at least ten years and I don't think Netflix includes surround sound (does it?).

My current TV is a Panasonic Plasma. When I bought it my purchase was based on the fact that it was the best picture 'that' amount of money could buy. This was when LCD TVs were starting to flood the market. The picture is still very good even by today's standards (though probably not yours :-).

My other comment would be that watching something on a screen is more about the story than the quality of the output (if it's within reason) "for most people". I doubt the average viewer sits in front of his/her TV all night marvelling at the quality. That would last about five minutes, if that.
Well it can't be that obvious because I have lots ... (show quote)


I use to have a Panasonic Plasma also. It was the best TV for the time and still is a great TV. Wait until you see a 4K OLED displaying HDR or Dolby Vision content.

I marvel at quality a lot. In a way, it's kind of a curse, but a curse I enjoy. I can't help it, I'm an enthusiast.

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May 11, 2019 12:13:41   #
Abo
 
LFingar wrote:
No twisting of any scenario. You responded to Catmarley's picture of an MRAP. You even stated "your example", the photo obviously since it was the only example she presented. I responded to your comparison of the ACCO to the "high tech" MRAP to show that technology can save lives. No SUV's involved


The subject is more dangerous to third parties vehicles on public roads, not vehicles at war.

I dont disagree that an MRAP offers more bomb (improvised or otherwise) protection than an ACCO, but that is not what the conversation is about.

You stomped into the conversation with ask any soldier which he would prefer to travel in.
We werent on about soldiers/soldiering we were relating the conversation to buying groceries or
picking up the kids from school.

How many ways do you need to see your error?

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May 11, 2019 13:20:02   #
LFingar Loc: Claverack, NY
 
Abo wrote:
The subject is more dangerous to third parties vehicles on public roads, not vehicles at war.

I dont disagree that an MRAP offers more bomb (improvised or otherwise) protection than an ACCO, but that is not what the conversation is about.

You stomped into the conversation with ask any soldier which he would prefer to travel in.
We werent on about soldiers/soldiering we were relating the conversation to buying groceries or
picking up the kids from school.

How many ways do you need to see your error?
The subject is more dangerous to third parties veh... (show quote)


Yes, your original rant was about technology and SUV's and so forth. Fair enough. You are the one that introduced a military vehicle into the equation and then chose to compare it to another military vehicle. You then get all wound up when I respond to your comparison to point out that technology saves lives. The conversation is about SUV's and groceries and kids and so on you claim. Well then, if that is the case why did you choose to introduce an entirely different vehicle and compare it to another vehicle of the same type that you now say the conversation was not about?
Twist it any way you want if that's what it takes to make you feel good. My statement was directed solely at a specific statement made by you about a specific type of technology that YOU introduced into the discussion.

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