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Apr 29, 2019 12:31:19   #
PGHphoto Loc: Pittsburgh, PA
 
JD750 wrote:
This post is for photographers who are considering buying a high performance camera.

I have been shooting with a M43 mirrorless system for many years. I have watched “mirrorless” evolve. And my latest MILF (mirrorless interchangeable lens format get your mind out of the gutter ;) body is my go to camera. Just today I carried both my DSLR and my mirrorless. The sun was low and I was shooting in my back yard flowers with shadows and contrast with changing light, and the EVF wysiwyg was hands down the winner. No contest.

I’m not trying to bash DSLRs. I have a great DSLR. It has been my favorite camera. But you don’t see what the image is going to be through the optical viewfinder. You see drama, light and shadow, changing light DOF, all that, in a modern EVF. You don’t have to shoot then chimp then adjust then shoot (DSLR process). You just adjust and shoot. It saves time and it can make the difference between getting a shot and not when the light is changing. My mirrorless camera has become my go-to.

So for those thinking of investing in a camera system. First and foremost, photography is about optics. Camera bodies come and go but the lenses you buy will serve you for many years. But with digital the camera body plays a bigger role than in the SLR days. So consider carefully what to invest in. Technology is changing, there are new players in the game, and mirrorless technology is the future.
This post is for photographers who are considering... (show quote)


Two words - "Live View" - and you magically have an EVF just like the mirrorless. And bigger and able to more accurately display image information due to its larger size and better density.

The DSLR still isn't dead - no matter how anybody tries to say it is. For the pro sports/action photographer, the EVF lag is still a problem and even the largest, most dense displays are no match for visual acuity of your eye through an optical viewfinder.

Now for those of you who are ready to sell your DSLR for a mirror-less, I will gladly pay you $100 for your 5DIV or 5DS, 5DSR ... (seeing as how its nearly dead)

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Apr 29, 2019 13:24:40   #
azted Loc: Las Vegas, NV.
 
lsaguy wrote:
The mirrorless vs DSLR yet again. B-O-R-I-N-G. You bought what you bought. Good for you. Now, kindly STHU and go take a photograph or two.


I agree. Ever since I joined this blog, people have been saying stuff like "Sony needs more lenses" and "Mirrorless is evolving" to push people to buy a camera system that never needed a slapping mirror. Digital is digital, and the mechanical mirror shutter was a film necessity. So stop with the fighting over older and newer technology. We all seem to be shooting with digital systems. That is the reality!

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Apr 29, 2019 15:09:41   #
CatMarley Loc: North Carolina
 
sloscheider wrote:
I guess I wrongly assumed MILFs kept the aperture open to the max until you snapped the photo just like SLR type bodies and thus didn't give a dof preview. interesting... I wonder how the focus systems work so well with a lens stopped down and not letting through much light.



The dslr took the light and sent part of it to the focusing screen and part of it to the exposure meter. After you press the shutter release, it stops down to its calculated f stop and lets the estimated amount of light hit the sensor. Your EVF takes the light that will make the image and then amplifies it appropriately according to its exposure and focus measurements and presents the finished plan to your eye BEFORE you press the shutter. Much less guesswork involved!

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Apr 29, 2019 15:24:13   #
rook2c4 Loc: Philadelphia, PA USA
 
JD750 wrote:
So consider carefully what to invest in. Technology is changing, there are new players in the game, and mirrorless technology is the future.


To me, a camera is not an investment. It is simply a tool for the present. Either it serves me well or it doesn't. What type of cameras other people choose to buy is not really that important.

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Apr 29, 2019 16:06:57   #
hookedupin2005 Loc: Northwestern New Mexico
 
BebuLamar wrote:
To me a DSLR is the same as the film SLR. The MILC is significantly different.


SLR, DSLR, Mirrorless.......They are all cameras. Put a lens on either three, and they all serve a purpose:To shoot images for whatever the user needs.

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Apr 29, 2019 16:07:30   #
Boris77
 
JD750 wrote:
This post is for photographers who are considering buying a high performance camera.

I have been shooting with a M43 mirrorless system for many years. I have watched “mirrorless” evolve. And my latest MILF (mirrorless interchangeable lens format get your mind out of the gutter ;) body is my go to camera. Just today I carried both my DSLR and my mirrorless. The sun was low and I was shooting in my back yard flowers with shadows and contrast with changing light, and the EVF wysiwyg was hands down the winner. No contest.

I’m not trying to bash DSLRs. I have a great DSLR. It has been my favorite camera. But you don’t see what the image is going to be through the optical viewfinder. You see drama, light and shadow, changing light DOF, all that, in a modern EVF. You don’t have to shoot then chimp then adjust then shoot (DSLR process). You just adjust and shoot. It saves time and it can make the difference between getting a shot and not when the light is changing. My mirrorless camera has become my go-to.

So for those thinking of investing in a camera system. First and foremost, photography is about optics. Camera bodies come and go but the lenses you buy will serve you for many years. But with digital the camera body plays a bigger role than in the SLR days. So consider carefully what to invest in. Technology is changing, there are new players in the game, and mirrorless technology is the future.
This post is for photographers who are considering... (show quote)


Mirrorless should wipe out DSLR by sheer logic; you eliminate all the mechanical junk used to bounce the image around. However, since the manufacturers have done an amazing job of taming mirrors, it is not obvious what a wasted effort is going on. As a simple minded consumer (with a lot of DSLR gear) I would not seriously use (buy into) a mirrorless system until it gives me all the features I have PLUS Small Size.

At present I do one day outings with one body with one lens, and usually use one battery for 1000+ shots at a festival. The camera bag sits in the car with whatever back up seems worth taking, and one more battery. Two cards in the camera are pure gold for preserving the results.
When the mirrorless does the same thing at half the weight, I'm in.
Boris

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Apr 29, 2019 16:09:12   #
BebuLamar
 
hookedupin2005 wrote:
SLR, DSLR, Mirrorless.......They are all cameras. Put a lens on either three, and they all serve a purpose:To shoot images for whatever the user needs.


If they are the same why the OP made the post?

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Apr 29, 2019 16:13:01   #
MW
 
I don’t think the analogy stated in the thread heading is quite accurate. I think better would be:”Mirrorless is to DSLR as SLR was to TLR.”

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Apr 29, 2019 16:15:58   #
BebuLamar
 
MW wrote:
I don’t think the analogy stated in the thread heading is quite accurate. I think better would be:”Mirrorless is to DSLR as SLR was to TLR.”


The SLR and DSLR are very close together. The MILC is significantly different. The analogy isn't a good one.

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Apr 29, 2019 16:23:18   #
hookedupin2005 Loc: Northwestern New Mexico
 
BebuLamar wrote:
If they are the same why the OP made the post?


I did not say they are the same. They are cameras. The end product is the important result of any of the three. How a person chooses to produce an image, be it SL,DSLR, or mirrorless(Or any other camera), is strictly up to each individual.

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Apr 29, 2019 17:28:18   #
PercussiveMaintenance
 
Recently played with a Canon EOS R. Pretty nice camera. I did find one thing that it did that I really didn't like was that it overcompensated the white balance especially in the viewfinder. Looking at a red brick wall with a few off white posters on it the screen looked pretty accurate. However, the viewfinder turned the off white poster a true white. There could be a compensation setting that could be adjusted, but I didn't like how it decided what was white.
I have a friend that has a sony mirrorless and he'll admit that his camera is causing him to become a little lazy in his photography in trusting his camera too much. He feels like rather than thinking about what he can do with a photo he's basically treating it like a point-n-shoot. "The camera knows what it's doing." I think this can be good because it allows you to focus on the subject of your photos, but personally I feel as though I'd have a disconnect from creativity from the camera standpoint.

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Apr 29, 2019 19:12:58   #
Bob Locher Loc: Southwest Oregon
 
I suggest instead of driving three hours each way - and losing a day - you rent one for a week... Cheaper...

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Apr 29, 2019 19:30:52   #
CatMarley Loc: North Carolina
 
PercussiveMaintenance wrote:
Recently played with a Canon EOS R. Pretty nice camera. I did find one thing that it did that I really didn't like was that it overcompensated the white balance especially in the viewfinder. Looking at a red brick wall with a few off white posters on it the screen looked pretty accurate. However, the viewfinder turned the off white poster a true white. There could be a compensation setting that could be adjusted, but I didn't like how it decided what was white.
I have a friend that has a sony mirrorless and he'll admit that his camera is causing him to become a little lazy in his photography in trusting his camera too much. He feels like rather than thinking about what he can do with a photo he's basically treating it like a point-n-shoot. "The camera knows what it's doing." I think this can be good because it allows you to focus on the subject of your photos, but personally I feel as though I'd have a disconnect from creativity from the camera standpoint.
Recently played with a Canon EOS R. Pretty nice c... (show quote)


I don't quite understand that. In fact I find the EVF enables quite the opposite. Since you can see the actual white balance, focus and exposure in the EVF BEFORE you decide to pop the shutter, you can make all sorts of creative adjustments selectively instead of letting a camera decide for you.

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Apr 29, 2019 21:47:58   #
PercussiveMaintenance
 
CatMarley wrote:
I don't quite understand that. In fact I find the EVF enables quite the opposite. Since you can see the actual white balance, focus and exposure in the EVF BEFORE you decide to pop the shutter, you can make all sorts of creative adjustments selectively instead of letting a camera decide for you.


Question for mirrorless users then... Do you feel you spend less time in post?

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Apr 29, 2019 22:40:54   #
JD750 Loc: SoCal
 
burkphoto wrote:
MILC! Not MILF. Please...


A ha! Your mind is in the gutter again! ;)).

Sorry I couldn’t help myself, and it’s kinda fun to see the reactions.

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