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Apr 22, 2019 12:44:00   #
Ron Dial Loc: Cuenca, Ecuador
 
You may be outside the color gamut. Check the colorspace.

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Apr 22, 2019 13:25:09   #
PlymouthWoodworker Loc: Plymouth, MA
 
I had this happen when I first started working with ND filters. Not sure if it's quite the same as your problem, but I found that during long exposures light leaks into the camera from the viewfinder. So if your exposure time is 10 seconds or longer, you need to block the viewfinder (where your eye would be) to prevent light leakage. There are inexpensive plastic shades that slide on that are made specifically for different camera models. You can test this theory by taking 2 long exposures, one without blocking the viewfinder and one using a piece of electrical tape to cover it. Hope this helps.

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Apr 22, 2019 13:28:33   #
PicsGuy
 
I have noticed banding when using ND filters with wide angle lenses -- wider than 24mm.
Could that be the problem?

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Apr 22, 2019 16:44:53   #
carl hervol Loc: jacksonville florida
 
dido where?

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Apr 22, 2019 19:27:09   #
martinfisherphoto Loc: Lake Placid Florida
 
The banding is No different than when I process jpegs too far, and your not processing jpegs.... But I don't have the fringing like you do In these photos when I push my jpegs too far... If not for the banding I would point to the lens as I shoot with the same camera and use ND filters with no problem. On a long shot I would change out your lens and then try again. Hope you find the solution as you have a passion for photography.... If it ain't perfect..

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Apr 23, 2019 04:17:58   #
lamiaceae Loc: San Luis Obispo County, CA
 
What banding? Issue may be with your computer / monitor, not your camera, lens, or filter. I may be seeing a bit of off-color in some flaring.

High-end Nikon & Zeiss equipment should yield nearly perfect captures.

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Apr 23, 2019 10:00:50   #
RichardSM Loc: Back in Texas
 
karno wrote:
Over the years I have had issues with colorbanding in my images when I use ND filters. At times this banding can be seen on back of lcd screen if I look really close.
Other times I only notice it on the computer screen or I realize it is there after it shows up in print.
This problem has plagued me over the years and has kept me from selling many images.
I thought this should be a rare situation
Though it has been happening often.
I have had this issue
While shooting d810 with Zeiss lenses and heliopan Nd filters,
Now having the issue while shooting D850 with Zeiss lenses with breakthrough Nd filters.
I shoot raw uncompressed.
I use Nd filters for most of my work especially the 3 stop to give water a bit of movement. But use 3,6.10 and 15 stop filters.
Has anyone else run into this issue?
I notice this more often now that I have 5k iMac and also because I am printing more.
To clarify I always close eye price on optical view finder during long exposures,
I always shoot lossless raw.
This is tiypical color banding but will post examples if needed.
Over the years I have had issues with colorbanding... (show quote)


Karno what are the sizes lenses you are using, what l’m getting too is the combination of two the ND filter I read some time back maybe last year I was reading article about banding and color lines on photos this person was getting. This problem turned out to be cheap 10 stop ND filter being used with lens 24-70mm and 28-135mm, primes 10mm to 16mm.

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Apr 23, 2019 10:45:37   #
karno Loc: Chico ,California
 
carl hervol wrote:
dido where?

This is difficult to see on computer but is there it come out in dramatic fashion upon exporting to jpg for print it is more difficult to see in tiff and when printing it is hideous as per example of Yosemite image with moon print. This I just remembered was taken with out Nd filter.
The water example I just shot the other day and is straight out of camera, I would get thes strange magenta and or green cast blobs in clouds sometimes water in some of my images, rendering them not printable, noticed this in some of my prints for clients bringing my attention closer to these artifacts


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Apr 23, 2019 10:47:31   #
karno Loc: Chico ,California
 
Ken Owen wrote:
Have you tried shooting without filters to see if the color banding is still a problem?


It is definitely there without filters upon further observation

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Apr 23, 2019 10:59:18   #
Strodav Loc: Houston, Tx
 
You might want to take a picture of a gray card up close to your camera without a lens at the shutter speed and ISO you are seeing the problem.

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Apr 23, 2019 11:56:05   #
karno Loc: Chico ,California
 
Strodav wrote:
You might want to take a picture of a gray card up close to your camera without a lens at the shutter speed and ISO you are seeing the problem.


Very interesting concept! Did not know I could do that, I will try it.

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Apr 23, 2019 12:53:32   #
martinfisherphoto Loc: Lake Placid Florida
 
karno wrote:
It is definitely there without filters upon further observation


I would then point to the lens

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Apr 23, 2019 15:44:59   #
karno Loc: Chico ,California
 
martinfisherphoto wrote:
I would then point to the lens


Yes me too I am shelving my Zeiss classics, using my old 14-24 Nikon to see if that works, I used to only use it for night stuff but now it has front stage duty, unfortunately it does not take filters.
I will see if that works

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Apr 23, 2019 17:57:05   #
martinfisherphoto Loc: Lake Placid Florida
 
karno wrote:
Yes me too I am shelving my Zeiss classics, using my old 14-24 Nikon to see if that works, I used to only use it for night stuff but now it has front stage duty, unfortunately it does not take filters.
I will see if that works


If this works not all is lost.. One thing about wide angle lens, not many folks know how to use them so after a spell many brand new/slightly used/ go on line for sale and you can save up to $500. Hope all works out for you....

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Apr 23, 2019 20:46:45   #
nikonnut Loc: Las Vegas
 
I have had this problem over the years. It seems to be a gambit problem. What color space are you using? Imagine that to display your pic properly you needed 12 shades of blue/gray to gray. Your color space has only 8 shades so you can see the limitation inbanding. Try changing color space along with using 16 bit on your images.

As an example, if any of you have an HD tv and view an older movie it will appear in nighttime scenes and the gradient gets blotchy. Your tv has trouble because there is insufficient information to display the scene properly.

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