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Apr 13, 2019 20:01:27   #
cwp3420
 
thom w wrote:
I'm trying to think of the most vile thing I can say about you. You seem to be better at the vile thing than I am, so you think of what I could say that would make you feel the worst. Consider me to have said that. Have a wonderful day, and may you not wake up in the morning.


Where have you been, Tommie? Banned again?

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Apr 13, 2019 20:20:29   #
boberic Loc: Quiet Corner, Connecticut. Ex long Islander
 
lenben wrote:
I really enjoyed seeing your graph. Note however that as carbon levels rise and temperature rises, evolution gets a boost over a long period of actual time. We humans cannot rely on that for our survival. Those ancient times of rising temperature drastically cut down the amount of land not covered with sea water. We humans need a short time horizon to protect ourselves. Personally I will not buy land in Florida or Louisiana at this time. We will have to adapt (Not evolve) to living closer to our neighbors on higher ground at the current rate of climate change.
I really enjoyed seeing your graph. Note however t... (show quote)


There is actually some evidence that temperture increases -Precedes CO2 increases. Ss far as human survival is concerned I would be more worried about a large meteriod strike or a super volcano eruption, as they woulod cause a mass extinction. At current rates it will take many decades for a significant sea level rise.

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Apr 13, 2019 21:12:00   #
Architect1776 Loc: In my mind
 
lenben wrote:
Curious about what Trump supporters on this blog think about global warming. Trump seems totally opposed to its reality. Is it real? If so can we do anything about it?


I remember we were to all be frozen blocks of ice by now when I was a kid. All the scientists agreed that this was proven science.
Now it is global warming and the predictions were that by 2019 we would all be cooked and all coastlines under 50' of water and this was proven scientific fact that all scientists agreed upon.
Both these scare tactics have proven to be fake news perpetrated by democrats to obtain more government power and take away freedom so now it is climate change so no matter what happens democrats can blame white nationalism for the change.
Guess what democrats, climate is always changing
Throughout human history there have been global warming and cooling. It is presumptuous to assume that humans have the power over global weather. If we are that powerful then why don't we change the weather to suit us?

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Apr 13, 2019 21:27:51   #
RAR_man Loc: stow, MA
 
funny how no one wants to discuss ancient ice core samples which show CO2 equal or higher than that of today.



We should all be good stewards of the environment. I think it is really funny how anyone thinks we can change the rate of warming... as recover from the last ice age. One large volcanic eruption can have more effect than a year's worth of traffic worldwide. Kilauea emits tonnes of CO2 everyday and has for years and years and years.

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Apr 13, 2019 21:35:05   #
Architect1776 Loc: In my mind
 
RAR_man wrote:
funny how no one wants to discuss ancient ice core samples which show CO2 equal or higher than that of today.



We should all be good stewards of the environment. I think it is really funny how anyone thinks we can change the rate of warming... as recover from the last ice age. One large volcanic eruption can have more effect than a year's worth of traffic worldwide. Kilauea emits tonnes of CO2 everyday and has for years and years and years.



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Apr 14, 2019 02:21:38   #
Ron Of TN Loc: Middle Tenn
 
Research "High Frequency Active Auroral Research Program," (HAARP.NET)

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Apr 14, 2019 02:56:00   #
lenben Loc: Seattle
 
Please do a little research Kilawea does not emit Carbon Dioxide nor any form of carbon. It's effluent comes from the interior of the earth and is a combination of pulverized rock, molten basalt, iron and other heavy minerals. Volcanoes effect the climate only when the ash emitted blocks out the sun, creating cooling until it is removed. There was a two year cooling period after Krakatoa exploded, for instance. Carbon comes from fossil fuel, methane production and forest fires. The only other major source is the production of cement which emits about 17% of the carbon each year.

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Apr 14, 2019 04:27:01   #
Architect1776 Loc: In my mind
 
lenben wrote:
Please do a little research Kilawea does not emit Carbon Dioxide nor any form of carbon. It's effluent comes from the interior of the earth and is a combination of pulverized rock, molten basalt, iron and other heavy minerals. Volcanoes effect the climate only when the ash emitted blocks out the sun, creating cooling until it is removed. There was a two year cooling period after Krakatoa exploded, for instance. Carbon comes from fossil fuel, methane production and forest fires. The only other major source is the production of cement which emits about 17% of the carbon each year.
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https://www.forbes.com/sites/startswithabang/2017/06/06/how-much-co2-does-a-single-volcano-emit/#1b60fca75cbf

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Apr 14, 2019 05:41:28   #
LWW Loc: Banana Republic of America
 
Cykdelic wrote:
I think I would like to see some real science, less emotion and funding-chasing, and more understanding that computer models are not science.

As examples.....

1.Bjorn Lomborg:
“Limiting temperatures to 2.7 degrees Fahrenheit above preindustrial levels, as the U.N.’s Intergovernmental Panel on Climate Change urges, is economically and practically impossible—as Mr. Nordhaus’s work shows. The IPCC report significantly underestimates the costs of getting to zero emissions. Fossil fuels provide cheap, efficient power, whereas green energy remains mostly uncompetitive. Switching to more expensive, less efficient technology slows development. In poor nations that means fewer people lifted out of poverty. In rich ones it means the most vulnerable are hit by higher energy bills.

The IPCC says carbon emissions need to peak right now and fall rapidly to avert catastrophe. Models actually reveal that to achieve the 2.7-degree goal the world must stop all fossil fuel use in less than four years. Yet the International Energy Agency estimates that in 2040 fossil fuels will still meet three-quarters of world energy needs, even if the Paris agreement is fully implemented.

The U.N. body responsible for the accord estimates that if every country fulfills every pledge by 2030, CO2 emissions will be cut by 60 billion tons by 2030. That’s less than 1% of what is needed to keep temperature rises below 2.7 degrees. And achieving even that fraction would be vastly expensive—reducing world-wide growth $1 trillion to $2 trillion each year by 2030.

2.Rupert Darwall:
“Negotiators sought to slow the rise of greenhouse emissions—around 2% a year world-wide for the past two decades. For the three years straddling the 2015 Paris conference, carbon-dioxide emissions were more or less flat. Then they resumed their upward trend—up 1.6% in 2017 and a projected 2.7% this year. According to the Intergovernmental Panel on Climate Change report released on the eve of the conference, all scenarios limiting warming to 2.7 degrees Fahrenheit assume steep reductions in coal consumption—to zero by 2050.

That’s not going to happen. According to the Potsdam Institute for Climate Impact Research, a German think tank close to Chancellor Angela Merkel, what it calls the renaissance of coal continues, using up the available carbon budget within a decade.

Speaker after speaker at conference side-events spoke of expanded coal use. Turkey has plans for 80 new power stations to double its coal capacity and reduce dependence on imports. Chinese provinces are lobbying for more coal and Beijing is investing in coal infrastructure abroad. So are Japan, South Korea and Australia. During his September visit to Indonesia, South Korea’s President Moon Jae-in oversaw a deal to build two new coal plants there. Before the conference, in Polish coal country, Warsaw had declared it would continue burning coal—a matter of national security when the principal alternative is Russian natural gas.”


3.25 NASA scientists disagree....
https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=EhW-B2udhQw

Here's the 500 million year GEOCARB CO2 graph.  Time 0 is today at 380ppm.  It's the lowest point on the graph all the way to the left.  The 1st smaller peak is the dinosaur era at 1000-2200ppm.  And the large peak is the Cambrian explosion which was the most prolific creation event for animals in history at greater than 7000ppm.  Al Gore and the fake scientists want you to believe that CO2 going from 350ppm to 380ppm over 180 years is life threatening.  They should study this graph.  Because the most prolific times ever for animal and plant life were during periods where CO2 was dramatically higher than today.  It's b/c plants need CO2 for food.  And the more plants grow, the more animals grow.  That is the evidence.   It's pretty simple.
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The truth is that:

- CO2 rise follows, not leads, temperature increases. Even Al Gore confessed this while under oath.

- The Earth is in a carbon draught.

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Apr 14, 2019 05:42:41   #
LWW Loc: Banana Republic of America
 
thom w wrote:
I'm trying to think of the most vile thing I can say about you. You seem to be better at the vile thing than I am, so you think of what I could say that would make you feel the worst. Consider me to have said that. Have a wonderful day, and may you not wake up in the morning.


Why do you hate science?

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Apr 14, 2019 08:22:14   #
lenben Loc: Seattle
 
Thank you for this clarification. So all volcanoes combined emit 0.645 billion tons of CO2 per year – compared to humanity's 29 billion tons per year. So volcanoes are a minor contributor to the carbon load in the atmosphere.

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Apr 14, 2019 08:44:39   #
LWW Loc: Banana Republic of America
 
lenben wrote:
Thank you for this clarification. So all volcanoes combined emit 0.645 billion tons of CO2 per year – compared to humanity's 29 billion tons per year. So volcanoes are a minor contributor to the carbon load in the atmosphere.


Its a shame that you pretend to have read links when you actually have not.

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Apr 14, 2019 08:56:14   #
RAR_man Loc: stow, MA
 
BS.

All volcanoes emit CO and thus CO2. Go to the Hawaii Volcano Lab website and they'll have the CO emission rate in metric tons on a daily basis

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Apr 14, 2019 10:39:06   #
Rose42
 
yhtomit wrote:
I think magnetic pole shifting is a bigger threat.


We can't stop that either.

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Apr 14, 2019 11:28:32   #
yhtomit Loc: Port Land. Oregon
 
Rose42 wrote:
We can't stop that either.


Democrats say its causation is linked to firearm discharges...

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