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Nikon AF-S 80-400mm G ED vs. Nikon AF 80-400mm D ED
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Apr 12, 2019 09:40:57   #
moosus
 
Just this week I purchased a Sigma 150-600mm Contemporary and I find the focus as quick and sharp as my other Nikon lenses. I shoot a D7200. There are deals to be had on the Net for this lens and a Sigma 1.4 TC for around $1100.00 or so, and comparable deals for their Sport model. Another option to consider.

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Apr 12, 2019 10:54:54   #
gompfer1
 
I have owned both, sold both, and now own the Tamron 100-400 F4 lens. It is faster focus and better output than the Nikons. It is also a lot cheaper than the AFS version.

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Apr 12, 2019 12:14:17   #
jccash Loc: Longwood, Florida
 
rwm283main wrote:
Or put a different way, $1550 vs. $552. I'm trying to decide which lens will be best for nature photography, especially birding (on the wing).
Roberts Camera's used supplier has both lenses at the price mentioned, both in excellent condition. I'm just not sure if the $1000 difference is going to give me that much more in regards to faster focus and better/sharper image quality.
They both have Vibration Reduction but the AF-S lens is a half pound heavier than the older model, and I do a lot of hiking where I typically don't use a tripod.
Sure could use some guidance from those that have experience with these two lenses to help me spend my dollars wisely.
Or put a different way, $1550 vs. $552. I'm trying... (show quote)


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Apr 12, 2019 13:43:01   #
Strodav Loc: Houston, Tx
 
Gene51 wrote:
You may want to read a review that compares all but the G2, to better inform your decision:

https://photographylife.com/reviews/nikon-200-500mm-f5-6e-vr

You can dig around the web a bit and find a review that compares the G2 to at least one of the others. You'll likely come to a similar conclusion - that the come away winner in image quality is the Sigma Sport, and if you compare the Sport to the G2, you'll find that they are very similar in image quality.

The problem with reading suggestions here, while well-intentioned, the posters may not have the experience with other lenses - and have made a selection based on their own needs, and naturally love their choice and will rigorously defend it. But that can be biased. Or they will take the form of "if you have Nikon bodies, use Nikon lenses - as if Nikon lenses ALWAYS perform better than the competition. I personally have owned over 30 lenses in Nikon mount, and a third of them are not made by Nikon. I'vefound the Nikkors for Nikon rationale to be a bit of an urban legend. In the review I posted the link to, it shows that the 80-400 AF-S was not the best performer, and that the 200-500 was quite good, though not at the level of the Sigma Sport. I personally came to that conclusion before even knowing about the article, having borrowed/tested all of the contenders at the time (the G2 was not available then).
You may want to read a review that compares all bu... (show quote)


You have made some excellent points especially around members fiercely defending their own choices and assuming their decisions are right for everyone else. I would like to add my experience with Nikon bodies and Nikon, Tamron and Sigma glass to the discussion. You have to carefully research who makes the best lens for a specific purpose. For example, Sigma makes a better 50mm f1.4 lens than Nikon does and both Sigma and Tamron make better 35mm glass than Nikon per DxOMark. There are cases where Nikon makes the best lens hands down like the 200-400mm f4G, but you will pay for that quality. Tamron and Sigma are a much better value for similar quality AS LONG AS YOU ARE WILLING TO TUNE THEM. If you are not willing to learn how to, and actually do tune them, then buy Nikon.

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Apr 12, 2019 13:59:29   #
torchman310 Loc: Santa Clarita, Ca.
 
rwm283main wrote:
Or put a different way, $1550 vs. $552. I'm trying to decide which lens will be best for nature photography, especially birding (on the wing).
Roberts Camera's used supplier has both lenses at the price mentioned, both in excellent condition. I'm just not sure if the $1000 difference is going to give me that much more in regards to faster focus and better/sharper image quality.
They both have Vibration Reduction but the AF-S lens is a half pound heavier than the older model, and I do a lot of hiking where I typically don't use a tripod.
Sure could use some guidance from those that have experience with these two lenses to help me spend my dollars wisely.
Or put a different way, $1550 vs. $552. I'm trying... (show quote)


I have both versions of this lens. For birding and ANY fast action photography, the newer model (AF-S) is the way to go. It is fast focusing and excellent sharpness. The D lens (original design) "hunts" for focusing. You will be wasting your money on this model. The bottom photo is of the slower focusing mogel. This is the one to stay away from for your type of photography.





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Apr 12, 2019 14:01:07   #
torchman310 Loc: Santa Clarita, Ca.
 
torchman310 wrote:
I have both versions of this lens. For birding and ANY fast action photography, the newer model (AF-S) is the way to go. It is fast focusing and excellent sharpness. The D lens (original design) "hunts" for focusing. You will be wasting your money on this model. The bottom photo is of the slower focusing model. This is the one to stay away from for your type of photography.

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Apr 12, 2019 14:20:20   #
Gene51 Loc: Yonkers, NY, now in LSD (LowerSlowerDelaware)
 
Strodav wrote:
You have made some excellent points especially around members fiercely defending their own choices and assuming their decisions are right for everyone else. I would like to add my experience with Nikon bodies and Nikon, Tamron and Sigma glass to the discussion. You have to carefully research who makes the best lens for a specific purpose. For example, Sigma makes a better 50mm f1.4 lens than Nikon does and both Sigma and Tamron make better 35mm glass than Nikon per DxOMark. There are cases where Nikon makes the best lens hands down like the 200-400mm f4G, but you will pay for that quality. Tamron and Sigma are a much better value for similar quality AS LONG AS YOU ARE WILLING TO TUNE THEM. If you are not willing to learn how to, and actually do tune them, then buy Nikon.
You have made some excellent points especially aro... (show quote)


I've never tuned my lenses - or camera bodies. If I suspect something is awry, back it goes for repair/replacement. I have too many lenses and have used too many camera bodies to consume my time paying attention to stuff like that, when the technicians can do a better job, have better tools, and can be far more granular in their adjustment capability. I need consistent interchangeability from body to body - if I can't get that, I return the lens. Buying Nikon does not ensure that it will be perfect either. I have a 600mm F4 that would not focus on a new body. I took the lens and body (and another body for illustration purposes) to Nikon, and they wanted to adjust both the body and the lens. I refused to let them touch the lens, since it was working just fine on my other bodies. They complained but did as I asked. They adjusted "communication parameters" in the body and when I picked it up is was perfect. And they did not cheat by using a lens specific profile in the body. All the fine tune data showed zero - no adjustment.

Otherwise, I totally agree -

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Apr 12, 2019 15:20:07   #
Strodav Loc: Houston, Tx
 
Gene51 wrote:
I've never tuned my lenses - or camera bodies. If I suspect something is awry, back it goes for repair/replacement. I have too many lenses and have used too many camera bodies to consume my time paying attention to stuff like that, when the technicians can do a better job, have better tools, and can be far more granular in their adjustment capability. I need consistent interchangeability from body to body - if I can't get that, I return the lens. Buying Nikon does not ensure that it will be perfect either. I have a 600mm F4 that would not focus on a new body. I took the lens and body (and another body for illustration purposes) to Nikon, and they wanted to adjust both the body and the lens. I refused to let them touch the lens, since it was working just fine on my other bodies. They complained but did as I asked. They adjusted "communication parameters" in the body and when I picked it up is was perfect. And they did not cheat by using a lens specific profile in the body. All the fine tune data showed zero - no adjustment.

Otherwise, I totally agree -
I've never tuned my lenses - or camera bodies. If ... (show quote)


Just sharing my personal experience and obviously does not reflect your experience. The topic of tune or not to tune has been hotly debated several times over the last several months, so anyone interested can do the search. In my case, I was not happy with my new Tamron 150-600mm G2 on my D7200. Exchanged Emails with Tamron and ended up sending both the lens and camera body to Tamron to tune them together. I still got soft results when I got them back. More research, ... I ended up learning how to tune using Tamron's Tap-In and after I got all 18 points walked in I started getting excellent results. Ended up doing the same with the Tamron 18-400, 24-70 G2, 70-200 G2, and 85mm f1.8. I can't tune my Nikon zooms, but found they tend to be closer out of the box. So, I have concluded the Nikon glass is close, but not perfect out of the box, but my Sigma and Tamron lenses were further out when I got them, but I was able to walk them in. Hence my comment about buying Nikon if you are not interested in tuning.

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Apr 12, 2019 18:08:58   #
billnikon Loc: Pennsylvania/Ohio/Florida/Maui/Oregon/Vermont
 
rwm283main wrote:
Or put a different way, $1550 vs. $552. I'm trying to decide which lens will be best for nature photography, especially birding (on the wing).
Roberts Camera's used supplier has both lenses at the price mentioned, both in excellent condition. I'm just not sure if the $1000 difference is going to give me that much more in regards to faster focus and better/sharper image quality.
They both have Vibration Reduction but the AF-S lens is a half pound heavier than the older model, and I do a lot of hiking where I typically don't use a tripod.
Sure could use some guidance from those that have experience with these two lenses to help me spend my dollars wisely.
Or put a different way, $1550 vs. $552. I'm trying... (show quote)


One additional item to consider if your going to use this lens for wildlife photography. And that is neither of the two lenses you listed have the newer electronic aperture control. But the Newer Nikon 200-500 does.
So, why is this important. The new electronic aperture control allows all of your exposures to be consistent when shooting at a high frames per second. With non electronic aperture control all exposures in a sequence may not be the same, and this can be unnerving for a once in a life time moment.
This is yet another reason to consider the New Nikon 200-500. Which actually comes in between your two lenses on price, and the 200-500 would be new and comes with a 5 year warranty. Just sayin.
I have used all three lenses for an extended period of time and yes, the 200-500 is the clear winner.

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Apr 12, 2019 20:35:26   #
brontodon
 
Gene51 wrote:
I own the Sport (paid $1100 for it used in 2016) as well as a 600mm F4 - in my opinion the Sport (or the G2) is just as sharp as the 600mmF4, and far more portable.

I would pass on the AF-D, and based on the price, probably the AF-S as well. Even the 200-500 would be a bit better, but neither compare with the other two.


You feel the Tamron is better than the Nikkor 200-500? I'm considering both, and I wonder about the sharpness, but even more about compatibility with the camera bodies.

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Apr 12, 2019 20:38:53   #
rwm283main Loc: Terryville, CT
 
Thanks everyone for providing such wonderful and practical information as I try to decide which direction to take. One main requirement is that I need to keep the weight down since I spend all day in the woods. My camera/lens are usually around my neck or over my shoulder, plus a backpack, so at the end of the day I'm ready for some tylenol and a neck massage. Ideally, the super zoom lenses (>400mm) from Nikon, Tamron or Sigma would definitely be perfect for birding but their weight is really exceeding what I'm looking for. I guess I can't have my cake and eat it too, as they say. I'm currently using Nikon's AF-S 18-300mm 3.5-5.6 G ED lens and it does pretty well under the right conditions, but I could use that little extra reach, hoping another 100mms' would do the trick. The lens also needs to be a full frame lens so that I can use it with my D600 or D7200 cameras. So now I feel it comes down to possibly the Nikon AF-S 80-400mm or the Tamron 100-400mm F/4.5-6.3 Di VC. Price between the two are significant. Which one delivers?

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Apr 12, 2019 22:17:22   #
jccash Loc: Longwood, Florida
 
billnikon wrote:
One additional item to consider if your going to use this lens for wildlife photography. And that is neither of the two lenses you listed have the newer electronic aperture control. But the Newer Nikon 200-500 does.
So, why is this important. The new electronic aperture control allows all of your exposures to be consistent when shooting at a high frames per second. With non electronic aperture control all exposures in a sequence may not be the same, and this can be unnerving for a once in a life time moment.
This is yet another reason to consider the New Nikon 200-500. Which actually comes in between your two lenses on price, and the 200-500 would be new and comes with a 5 year warranty. Just sayin.
I have used all three lenses for an extended period of time and yes, the 200-500 is the clear winner.
One additional item to consider if your going to u... (show quote)


It’s a big lens (200-500) but does a good job. I sold my 80-400 and night the 200-500.





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