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Apr 11, 2019 12:16:35   #
soba1 Loc: Somewhere In So Ca
 
dennis2146 wrote:
Americans have been trying to fix the societal deficiencies toward blacks since the day after the Civil War ended. Since the 1960's we have spent Trillions of dollars trying to get the black people educated, working, playing Midnight basketball (in the Clinton years) and on and on. America has tried Affirmative Action as well. Years ago in a conversation with a black friend he surprised me by saying the black man's worst enemy is himself. Many have risen to greatness by getting an education, working hard and getting ahead. In the past 50 years black people, as a group, have excelled in many fields of endeavor. While some still complain they are being held down by whitey we have had a black President, black Secretary of State, more blacks in Congress than ever before and so on. Many of our business leaders, attorneys, doctors and so on are black. But still the Liberals push their narrative that we, meaning white people, have to do more to help the black man lift himself up in society. To think that the black man might consider doing some of his own lifting is thought to be a racist thought. Perish the thought that someone should work to lift themself up.

Perhaps reparations should be paid to every white person in America because it was mostly whites who fought and gave their lives to end slavery. Why don't I ever hear that mentioned? Thousands of men died to free the black man. Why don't we ever celebrate those men?

Yes, I realize to some I am a racist just because I voice these concerns. So be it.

Dennis
Americans have been trying to fix the societal def... (show quote)


I hate this subject whites already got their reparations. Through land grants also
The Dawes Rolls five dollar Indians http://newsmaven.io/indiancountrytoday/archive/paying-to-play-indian-the-dawes-rolls-and-the-legacy-of-5-indians-3yha0LldYUaH7smRsrks8A/
If the slaves would have gotten reparations for their free labor upon their release we would not be having this debate.
Lastly refute MLK
http://youtu.be/_NNvzVCVhIM

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Apr 11, 2019 12:17:32   #
dennis2146 Loc: Eastern Idaho
 
mjmoore17 wrote:
Maybe you do not celebrate Veterans Days.


Well you have just proven two thoughts I have are quite true.

1. You are unable to carry on even in the same thread without help. Nobody is talking about Veterans days here. Your answer has no bearing on what I posted.

2. You are definitely off your medication again.

Dennis

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Apr 11, 2019 12:25:41   #
Elaine2025 Loc: Seattle, Wa
 
Frank T wrote:
It may or may not be irrelevant depending on whether or not they were ever slaves in the United States. However, no one is talking about reparations to anyone who had ancestors as slaves in other countries.
In fact, I don't even know whether I support it or not at this point because I don't know all the facts, and no one has come up with a proposal.
I know, waiting for the facts isn't popular with the right wing but I suggest you give it a try.


Little Frankie, stop acting like a fool. The point is reparations are stupid and a can of worms and where does it end.

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Apr 11, 2019 12:26:21   #
Elaine2025 Loc: Seattle, Wa
 
Frank T wrote:
Lainey,
You really try my patients when you skip your meds.


Little Frankie, You have mental issues that need to be addressed.

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Apr 11, 2019 12:26:59   #
Elaine2025 Loc: Seattle, Wa
 
Harry0 wrote:
Yeah, almost. The topic was about burning churches. And racism.
*I* don't owe reparations. Reparation is restitution for something you did and/or allowed to happen.
If anybody- including Trumplestiltskin- actually gave a dam there'd be dozens of FBI guys down there diligently and ferociously finding those responsible, and locking them up for a multitude of crimes, including terrorism. This is an event akin to the Boston Marathon bombing.
Yeah. Maybe not. These are poor black folk, in poor areas. Carry on.
Yeah, almost. The topic was about burning churches... (show quote)


I agree with you Harry.

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Apr 11, 2019 12:34:20   #
Frank T Loc: New York, NY
 
Elaine2025 wrote:
Little Frankie, stop acting like a fool. The point is reparations are stupid and a can of worms and where does it end.


The only thing stupid in this conversation, is you.

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Apr 11, 2019 12:35:04   #
shagbat Loc: London
 
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-us-canada-47898572

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Apr 11, 2019 12:41:39   #
Elaine2025 Loc: Seattle, Wa
 
Frank T wrote:
The only thing stupid in this conversation, is you.


Awww is little Frankie going to cry? Run see Mama and get a cookie.

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Apr 11, 2019 12:54:35   #
mjmoore17 Loc: Philadelphia, PA area
 
dennis2146 wrote:
Well you have just proven two thoughts I have are quite true.

1. You are unable to carry on even in the same thread without help. Nobody is talking about Veterans days here. Your answer has no bearing on what I posted.

2. You are definitely off your medication again.

Dennis


You talked about how no one celebrates the Union soldiers. Why not Veterans Day.

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Apr 11, 2019 13:06:28   #
dennis2146 Loc: Eastern Idaho
 
mjmoore17 wrote:
You talked about how no one celebrates the Union soldiers. Why not Veterans Day.


Veterans Day was long after the Civil War ended and was mainly, to my knowledge, to celebrate soldiers after WW1.

Dennis

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Apr 11, 2019 13:14:02   #
mjmoore17 Loc: Philadelphia, PA area
 
dennis2146 wrote:
Veterans Day was long after the Civil War ended and was mainly, to my knowledge, to celebrate soldiers after WW1.

Dennis


Read a book

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Apr 11, 2019 13:15:59   #
dennis2146 Loc: Eastern Idaho
 
soba1 wrote:
I hate this subject whites already got their reparations. Through land grants also
The Dawes Rolls five dollar Indians http://newsmaven.io/indiancountrytoday/archive/paying-to-play-indian-the-dawes-rolls-and-the-legacy-of-5-indians-3yha0LldYUaH7smRsrks8A/
If the slaves would have gotten reparations for their free labor upon their release we would not be having this debate.
Lastly refute MLK
http://youtu.be/_NNvzVCVhIM


With respect we all know of the plight of the Native Americans. Yes, they were screwed over big time by the government. There is no way we can change that now. But I wonder if you are aware that many Native Americans will admit that the government giving them money now, along with the desire of many of them to live according to the old ways, is still hurting the Native Americans. Many stay at home on the reservation using alcohol and drugs. Giving them government money means, for many, they do not need to get a job and properly assimilate into the so called white man's society. But no matter how you look at it that is the world of today and in fact for the past 100 years. Just staying at home, not wanting to go out and get jobs isn't the way to go if you want to prosper. Many tribes have started gambling casinos which bring in money to the tribe but I wonder how much of that money gets to the individual person. I honestly don't know.

Certainly the very same thing can be said for the black man in America. Yes, they were screwed over for years but for some reason some who took advantage of our education system and got jobs are doing as well or better than comparable white people.

Are you disagreeing with me about the black man sometimes being his own worst enemy by keeping himself down? I don't know if you are or not. I do know it isn't all the fault of the government.

Are you disagreeing with me about the government spending Trillions to bring the black man up since the 1960's?

As for MLK I have nothing but the strongest respect for all he did and especially the way he went about doing it.

Dennis

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Apr 11, 2019 13:28:07   #
dennis2146 Loc: Eastern Idaho
 
mjmoore17 wrote:
Read a book


I have read and yes, Veterans Day honors all American troops. But as I said, it was enacted right after the 1st World War.

Dennis

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Apr 11, 2019 13:35:22   #
Elaine2025 Loc: Seattle, Wa
 
dennis2146 wrote:
With respect we all know of the plight of the Native Americans. Yes, they were screwed over big time by the government. There is no way we can change that now. But I wonder if you are aware that many Native Americans will admit that the government giving them money now, along with the desire of many of them to live according to the old ways, is still hurting the Native Americans. Many stay at home on the reservation using alcohol and drugs. Giving them government money means, for many, they do not need to get a job and properly assimilate into the so called white man's society. But no matter how you look at it that is the world of today and in fact for the past 100 years. Just staying at home, not wanting to go out and get jobs isn't the way to go if you want to prosper. Many tribes have started gambling casinos which bring in money to the tribe but I wonder how much of that money gets to the individual person. I honestly don't know.

Certainly the very same thing can be said for the black man in America. Yes, they were screwed over for years but for some reason some who took advantage of our education system and got jobs are doing as well or better than comparable white people.

Are you disagreeing with me about the black man sometimes being his own worst enemy by keeping himself down? I don't know if you are or not. I do know it isn't all the fault of the government.

Are you disagreeing with me about the government spending Trillions to bring the black man up since the 1960's?

As for MLK I have nothing but the strongest respect for all he did and especially the way he went about doing it.

Dennis
With respect we all know of the plight of the Nati... (show quote)


Dennis, Speaking from experience and first hand knowledge, many tribes that have casino's distribute what is called Per Capita to the tribal members. It is a monthly income and bonuses during the year. Unfortunately for many this gives those so inclined funds to drink and drug, with many death's along the way. Many do not need to work or have the desire to work, some do. It can and does create some devastating results.

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Apr 11, 2019 13:39:49   #
dennis2146 Loc: Eastern Idaho
 
Elaine2025 wrote:
Dennis, Speaking from experience and first hand knowledge, many tribes that have casino's distribute what is called Per Capita to the tribal members. It is a monthly income and bonuses during the year. Unfortunately for many this gives those so inclined funds to drink and drug, with many death's along the way. Many do not need to work or have the desire to work, some do. It can and does create some devastating results.


Thanks Elaine. I did not know that. I know from a video about some of the reservations, from the Native American point of view, that the government money paid to tribal members decreases their desire to get out and find work, it makes the people stagnant, so to speak, leading to drugs and alcohol. This is not from the white person's perspective but is the attitude of some of the tribal elders in the video I watched.

Dennis

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