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Mar 27, 2019 16:45:51   #
TH Loc: minnesota
 
His videos are free and helpful. Watch a few. They may help you a lot.

TH

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Mar 27, 2019 17:31:35   #
aellman Loc: Boston MA
 
rcarol wrote:
Congratulations. That is clearly the longest rant that I've seen on this site.


Yeah. Whew! I have to take a nap to recover. The most prominent concept I come away with is the OP thinks of himself as the world's greatest expert on science in all its forms, and the rest of us are troglodytes and know-nothings. Obviously, neither is true, but even if they were he could benefit from a remedial course in concise writing and editing one's work. I'm in favor of a good rant, but his ideas could have been adequately expressed in half the length or less.

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Mar 27, 2019 17:56:49   #
jdubu Loc: San Jose, CA
 
aellman wrote:
Yeah. Whew! I have to take a nap to recover. The most prominent concept I come away with is the OP thinks of himself as the world's greatest expert on science in all its forms, and the rest of us are troglodytes and know-nothings. Obviously, neither is true, but even if they were he could benefit from a remedial course in concise writing and editing one's work. I'm in favor of a good rant, but his ideas could have been adequately expressed in half the length or less.


Absolutely... When I see that formatting and his name up, I just scroll down past.

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Mar 27, 2019 20:16:55   #
dvdnj
 
Bipod wrote:
The old rule of programmers was "K.I.S.S" -- Keep It Simple, Stupid.



Seriously?? LOL!

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Mar 27, 2019 20:45:27   #
Angel Star Photography Loc: Tacoma, WA
 
streetglide12 wrote:
Good evening,
I have been doing manual photography for about a year. I have attended a few adult junior college classes on using manual. One of the adult students mentioned Serge Ramelli courses as a way to use my learning on a higher level. I researched the reviews about his system and they were 50/50 on using it. I trust the expertise here for solid advice. Thank you for your time.


Well, after reading the responses and rants, I am curious as to whether we swayed the 50/50 split one direction or the other. LOL.

Adding my two-cents worth, I have found Serge Ramelli interesting and his methods and ideas intriguing as well as inspirational in terms using the many features of Lightroom and Photoshop. He is definitely heavy into post-processing and sometimes I feel that his work is over processed. However, he does bring forth information that often leads me to exploration into other possibilities in processing an image.

I have watched his videos, purchased some of his courses when they were on sale, and found them educational and helpful. I don't use his presets but I do selectively employ some of the techniques that he has wrapped into presets.

Overall, I like what I have gained from Serge. The following link is a bio which gives insight into why he is heavy into the post processing.

https://scottkelby.com/guest-blog-travel-photographer-and-filmmaker-serge-ramelli/

Additionally, you may find this information interesting:
https://www.imdb.com/name/nm2616280/?ref_=fn_al_nm_1

If you are curious or interested, I recommend that you give it a go but don't just view one or two videos. View a few, try out some of his ideas, and decide for yourself. I don't believe you will be disappointed.

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Mar 27, 2019 21:11:19   #
rb61 Loc: Maple Grove, MN
 
jerryc41 wrote:
Lynda.com and CreativeLive are both very good. Lynda is free for a whole month, and then it's $25 (used to be, anyway) for a month of total access. CreativeLive is totally free, but it's shown lives, so you have to be there. I believe they also have recorded videos available to watch. Buying them is another option. They make very good instructional videos about using certain cameras.

Lynda sold her company a couple of years ago, and the new owners have expanded it tremendously. It took me a while to find their photography section.
https://www.linkedin.com/learning/topics/photography-2?src=ldc-nav&veh=ldc_nav_hed%7Cldc-nav&trk=ldc_nav_hed

Showing today on CreativeLive.com
https://www.creativelive.com/onair

For free -
https://www.creativelive.com/catalog/photography/free-courses?via=site-header_0
Lynda.com and CreativeLive are both very good. Ly... (show quote)


Lynda was free with my county library registration. I haven't checked lately.

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Mar 27, 2019 22:47:15   #
10MPlayer Loc: California
 
Bipod wrote:
Check into his qualifications. For example, has he ever been a
faculty member at an accredited institution? (Maybe he taught
at the Sorbonne or the UC--but I seriously doubt it.)

I did find this on-line:
"As mentioned everywhere, Serge Ramelli Signature Preset Collection
is a chest of positive energy, and the pros of this product is beyond listing.
Serge Ramelli Signature Preset Collection is absolutely suitable for beginners.
The techniques are extremely powerful and easy to follow."

Shades of Tony Robbins.

I did not find any page about him that did not appear to originate with him
or someone connected to him. He's such a well-known photographer that he
doesn't even have a page on Wikipedia (though he does on Corporation Wiki).

Internationally at least, he is mainly known for his Youtube videos, which
makes him almost as famous and important as Henri, le Chat Noir.

I'd be suspicious of anyone peddling a "system". There is only one photographer
with a highly regarded system: Ansel Adams. And his Zone System was entirely
defined in film photography terms.

Ansel Adams is a good case in point. He had an 8th grade education. But he
taught at the Los Angeles Art Center School (now the LA ArtCenter College
of Design), along with Fred Archer. He was self-educated in photography,
but few photographers are as detail-oriented and technical as he was.
(He also taught himself to play the piano, then trained to be a concert
pianist under Henry Cowell!)

Technology is based on science.. Cameras are always optical, but they are
only also chemical, electrical, electronic or computerized if you want
them to be. So photographers get to pick how much technology they want
to deal with.

Your current camera, fit is digital, uses all of the above, except chemical.
So it's based on a lot of different sciences (all founded in physics).
Take exposure for example: it is based on optics and sensiometry.
If you understand the science, you understand exposure. If not,
not.

So you don't need a charismatic motivational speaker as a teacher,
you need somebody who understand the science and how to apply it.
Only then does it all make sense.

Physical laws do not change, but technology does So time spent
learning science will pay off much longer than time spent learning
which button to press in which order on firmaware revision 2.1.2.

The same goes for art training. The rules for composition in
photography are similar if not identical to the rules for composition
in painting.

In art, new media do not make old media obsolete. The painter using
the very latest medium is unlikely to produce better work than say,
Giotto, Vermeer, Cezanne or Turner. Art is older than civilization and
older than history, and will probably continue long after civilization has
fallen and history is no longer recorded.

So time spent learning science and art is never wasted. But there is
no substitute for a knowledge in a teacher--not fame, forturne or a
good sales pitch.

Anyone can hang out a shingle as a "psychic advisor" or "photography
teacher"--no degree or license required by the State. But you need
someone who knows the definition of "candlepower" and doesn't
think it's something witches do.

If there's a "royal road" to photography, I've never found it. Experience
is a good teacher--but only if one has enough of the theory to make
sense out of it.

A lot of things in photography are contrary to common sense and what
our senses tell us.. What-you-see (with your naked eye or in the OVF,
EVF, back screen, or computer monitor) is rarely what what-you-get in
the final print. This is equally true in processing and image file.

In this respect, photography is like piloting an aircraft in cloudy skies
(IFR conditions): the pilot has to understand and trust his instruments.
The artificial horizon tells him which way is up---if his inner ear
disagrees, he must go with the instrument--otherwise he may put the
plane into a spin.

Theory (and science) cannot be dispensed with in training photographers
any more than it can be dispensed with in training pilots. The difference
is: pilots all know this---and they know the limitations of the autopilot.
At the first sign of anything unusual, they grab the controls and the
autopilot disengages, giving the pilot full control. (Except on a Boeing 737
Max 8 with MCAS.)
Check into his qualifications. For example, has ... (show quote)
Hey now, I enjoy "Henri, le chat noir". I'd recommend the Great Courses videos with Joel Sartore. He's a for real National Geographic photographer with a nice manner about him and an interesting way of looking at the world. Some of his suggestions such as getting up high on a lift or putting your subjects flat on the floor while you stand on the kitchen counter are kind of weird he does get you to start thinking in different ways. Well worth the price for the videos.

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Mar 27, 2019 23:25:04   #
tdekany Loc: Oregon
 
Bipod wrote:
Check into his qualifications. For example, has he ever been a
faculty member at an accredited institution? (Maybe he taught
at the Sorbonne or the UC--but I seriously doubt it.)

I did find this on-line:
"As mentioned everywhere, Serge Ramelli Signature Preset Collection
is a chest of positive energy, and the pros of this product is beyond listing.
Serge Ramelli Signature Preset Collection is absolutely suitable for beginners.
The techniques are extremely powerful and easy to follow."

Shades of Tony Robbins.

I did not find any page about him that did not appear to originate with him
or someone connected to him. He's such a well-known photographer that he
doesn't even have a page on Wikipedia (though he does on Corporation Wiki).

Internationally at least, he is mainly known for his Youtube videos, which
makes him almost as famous and important as Henri, le Chat Noir.

I'd be suspicious of anyone peddling a "system". There is only one photographer
with a highly regarded system: Ansel Adams. And his Zone System was entirely
defined in film photography terms.

Ansel Adams is a good case in point. He had an 8th grade education. But he
taught at the Los Angeles Art Center School (now the LA ArtCenter College
of Design), along with Fred Archer. He was self-educated in photography,
but few photographers are as detail-oriented and technical as he was.
(He also taught himself to play the piano, then trained to be a concert
pianist under Henry Cowell!)

Technology is based on science.. Cameras are always optical, but they are
only also chemical, electrical, electronic or computerized if you want
them to be. So photographers get to pick how much technology they want
to deal with.

Your current camera, fit is digital, uses all of the above, except chemical.
So it's based on a lot of different sciences (all founded in physics).
Take exposure for example: it is based on optics and sensiometry.
If you understand the science, you understand exposure. If not,
not.

So you don't need a charismatic motivational speaker as a teacher,
you need somebody who understand the science and how to apply it.
Only then does it all make sense.

Physical laws do not change, but technology does So time spent
learning science will pay off much longer than time spent learning
which button to press in which order on firmaware revision 2.1.2.

The same goes for art training. The rules for composition in
photography are similar if not identical to the rules for composition
in painting.

In art, new media do not make old media obsolete. The painter using
the very latest medium is unlikely to produce better work than say,
Giotto, Vermeer, Cezanne or Turner. Art is older than civilization and
older than history, and will probably continue long after civilization has
fallen and history is no longer recorded.

So time spent learning science and art is never wasted. But there is
no substitute for a knowledge in a teacher--not fame, forturne or a
good sales pitch.

Anyone can hang out a shingle as a "psychic advisor" or "photography
teacher"--no degree or license required by the State. But you need
someone who knows the definition of "candlepower" and doesn't
think it's something witches do.

If there's a "royal road" to photography, I've never found it. Experience
is a good teacher--but only if one has enough of the theory to make
sense out of it.

A lot of things in photography are contrary to common sense and what
our senses tell us.. What-you-see (with your naked eye or in the OVF,
EVF, back screen, or computer monitor) is rarely what what-you-get in
the final print. This is equally true in processing and image file.

In this respect, photography is like piloting an aircraft in cloudy skies
(IFR conditions): the pilot has to understand and trust his instruments.
The artificial horizon tells him which way is up---if his inner ear
disagrees, he must go with the instrument--otherwise he may put the
plane into a spin.

Theory (and science) cannot be dispensed with in training photographers
any more than it can be dispensed with in training pilots. The difference
is: pilots all know this---and they know the limitations of the autopilot.
At the first sign of anything unusual, they grab the controls and the
autopilot disengages, giving the pilot full control. (Except on a Boeing 737
Max 8 with MCAS.)
Check into his qualifications. For example, has ... (show quote)


It is easy to put someone down when he isn’t here to defend himself.

But one thing is for sure - his skills and photographs are superior to yours. That is a fact lady.

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Mar 28, 2019 01:09:46   #
hpucker99 Loc: Anchorage, Alaska
 
Bipod wrote:
Funny how everyone thinks he's smarter than Thomas Edison because her's screwed in an
LCD lightbulb. And of course, he's a way smarter than Ansel Adams because film is Old
Technology--and a better photographer.

If museums and collectors disagree, well, they're old technology too. The opinions that matter are on
Instagram and Twitter.



Interesting post, full of sound and fury signifying nothing.

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Mar 28, 2019 01:33:09   #
tdekany Loc: Oregon
 
aellman wrote:
Yeah. Whew! I have to take a nap to recover. The most prominent concept I come away with is the OP thinks of himself as the world's greatest expert on science in all its forms, and the rest of us are troglodytes and know-nothings. Obviously, neither is true, but even if they were he could benefit from a remedial course in concise writing and editing one's work. I'm in favor of a good rant, but his ideas could have been adequately expressed in half the length or less.


Seems to have an issue with a bunch of photographers who enjoy another photographer who has a channel on YouTube.

I will not talk about his lack of comprehension.

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Mar 28, 2019 01:37:31   #
rcarol
 
Bipod wrote:
Check into his qualifications. For example, has he ever been a
faculty member at an accredited institution? (Maybe he taught
at the Sorbonne or the UC--but I seriously doubt it.)

I did find this on-line:
"As mentioned everywhere, Serge Ramelli Signature Preset Collection
is a chest of positive energy, and the pros of this product is beyond listing.
Serge Ramelli Signature Preset Collection is absolutely suitable for beginners.
The techniques are extremely powerful and easy to follow."

Shades of Tony Robbins.

I did not find any page about him that did not appear to originate with him
or someone connected to him. He's such a well-known photographer that he
doesn't even have a page on Wikipedia (though he does on Corporation Wiki).

Internationally at least, he is mainly known for his Youtube videos, which
makes him almost as famous and important as Henri, le Chat Noir.

I'd be suspicious of anyone peddling a "system". There is only one photographer
with a highly regarded system: Ansel Adams. And his Zone System was entirely
defined in film photography terms.

Ansel Adams is a good case in point. He had an 8th grade education. But he
taught at the Los Angeles Art Center School (now the LA ArtCenter College
of Design), along with Fred Archer. He was self-educated in photography,
but few photographers are as detail-oriented and technical as he was.
(He also taught himself to play the piano, then trained to be a concert
pianist under Henry Cowell!)

Technology is based on science.. Cameras are always optical, but they are
only also chemical, electrical, electronic or computerized if you want
them to be. So photographers get to pick how much technology they want
to deal with.

Your current camera, fit is digital, uses all of the above, except chemical.
So it's based on a lot of different sciences (all founded in physics).
Take exposure for example: it is based on optics and sensiometry.
If you understand the science, you understand exposure. If not,
not.

So you don't need a charismatic motivational speaker as a teacher,
you need somebody who understand the science and how to apply it.
Only then does it all make sense.

Physical laws do not change, but technology does So time spent
learning science will pay off much longer than time spent learning
which button to press in which order on firmaware revision 2.1.2.

The same goes for art training. The rules for composition in
photography are similar if not identical to the rules for composition
in painting.

In art, new media do not make old media obsolete. The painter using
the very latest medium is unlikely to produce better work than say,
Giotto, Vermeer, Cezanne or Turner. Art is older than civilization and
older than history, and will probably continue long after civilization has
fallen and history is no longer recorded.

So time spent learning science and art is never wasted. But there is
no substitute for a knowledge in a teacher--not fame, forturne or a
good sales pitch.

Anyone can hang out a shingle as a "psychic advisor" or "photography
teacher"--no degree or license required by the State. But you need
someone who knows the definition of "candlepower" and doesn't
think it's something witches do.

If there's a "royal road" to photography, I've never found it. Experience
is a good teacher--but only if one has enough of the theory to make
sense out of it.

A lot of things in photography are contrary to common sense and what
our senses tell us.. What-you-see (with your naked eye or in the OVF,
EVF, back screen, or computer monitor) is rarely what what-you-get in
the final print. This is equally true in processing and image file.

In this respect, photography is like piloting an aircraft in cloudy skies
(IFR conditions): the pilot has to understand and trust his instruments.
The artificial horizon tells him which way is up---if his inner ear
disagrees, he must go with the instrument--otherwise he may put the
plane into a spin.

Theory (and science) cannot be dispensed with in training photographers
any more than it can be dispensed with in training pilots. The difference
is: pilots all know this---and they know the limitations of the autopilot.
At the first sign of anything unusual, they grab the controls and the
autopilot disengages, giving the pilot full control. (Except on a Boeing 737
Max 8 with MCAS.)
Check into his qualifications. For example, has ... (show quote)


You would be suspicious of anybody peddling a system? What about Ansel Adams and Fred Archer? They peddled the Zone System and if memory serves me right, it was very instrumental in producing a slew of followers that took beautiful images. But heh, who's counting?

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Mar 28, 2019 01:44:46   #
rcarol
 
Bipod wrote:
Funny how everyone thinks he's smarter than Thomas Edison because her's screwed in an
LCD lightbulb. And of course, he's a way smarter than Ansel Adams because film is Old
Technology--and a better photographer.

If museums and collectors disagree, well, they're old technology too. The opinions that matter are on
Instagram and Twitter.

Oh, you use a digital sensor! Then optics and sensiometry don''t matter. It's digital! It works by magic,
not science. No need to understand anything--just push buttons. Be a happy button-pusher!

Alas, a photographer isn't just a consumer of techmology, he is a producer of it (photographs).

A welder is a producer of welds. He needs to understand something about metallurgy--such as the
difference between steel and aluminum.. "Oh. but that involves mutli-syllable words! Can't I just
go to a seminar with Sybil the Soothsayer intead?" Sure you can: but you will never be a good welder.
Everything starts with correctly identifying the metal you're working on. For example, it's thin
sheet magnesium,
you might not want to put an oxy-acetylene torch to it (just a suggestion).

Automation makes it possible for cameras to capture images without a photographer. I own and use
several trail cameras. They work. But they capture images--not photographs. They are equally willing
to photography the back end of a deer as the front-end of deer. They don't have the concept "deer"--
they just detect motion.

Photography cannot be automated because its a form of communications and sometimes art. It says
something. Computers have nothing interesting to say. They are not even conscious. I haven't yet seen
one struggle when I take it to the recycler. Their marvelous at calculation, and at great effort and
expense can be made to play board games. Impressive, but then, so is a giant excavator. We don't
expect steam shovels to produce art.

Of course any company is going to hype it's products. If you make cameras, the unit cost will soar
if you try to increase the resolution. It's far more profitable to hype the technology: "buy our new
sub-minature format camera because it uses AI! And the lenses have nano-pixie-dust coatings!"

Consumers have always smiled at "scrubbing bubbles", "lemon-freshened borax" and "sparkling drop
ff retsin", But now they no longer smile--they believe.

The difference now is that all the technology companies are hyping technology: billions of dollars
worth of adverstising, fake reviews and bought journalism. And so consumers buy into it.

The "Pepsi Generation" was good ad campaign, but nobody thought (I hope) that there was such
a thing. That's because Coca-Company was sending out a very different message. But now Google,
Amazon, Microsoft, Apple, Nikon, Canon and Sony are all putting out the same message: more
technology is always better! More automation is always better! Newer is always better!

But of course, it has to be admitted that technology has solved most of our problems. There is
no more global warming. Airliners no longer crash. Cars accidents are unknown. Every American
has access to good public transportation. Power blackouts are unknown. Hurricanes, floods and
wild fires no longer endanger our cities and towns. Cancer has been cured and so has the common cold.
The nuclear threat and terrorism have been eliminated. And thanks to digital voting machines, democracy
has finally triumphed around the world.

But that's not quite true, is it? New York County just declared a measles epidemic. A vaccine
for measles has been available since 1963. But parents don't understand the science behind
vaccines, so they believe crap they read on the Internet and don't vaccinate their children. They
can't be persuaded, because they don't understand the difference between a Youtube video and
a journal article in JAMA or The New England Journal of Medicine.

Technology is only useful when when people understand the science behind it.. Otherwise, it's just
another form of voodoo. You cannot know what you are doing unless you know what you are doing.

Fewer and fewer Americans bother to learn science and mathematics---the foundation of all technology.
(And when they do learn math, it's only applied math and the "cookbook approach": "if you see this
formula, use this integral"). Anyone can teach that--but it takes a mathematician to teach proofs.

Engineer schools have proliferated -- there are now something like 4000 in the world!---but most (even
in the USA) no longer bother to teach thermodynamics to electronics engineers. (Ever wonder why so much
electronic stuff overheats?). Today most EEs are really "Legoneers", they only know how to plug digital
inputs into outputs. It's getting very hard to find an EE who can design a power supply that won't catch
fire or a radio that will work. Heaven help the company that needs to design an antenna (ask Apple about
the iPhone 4).

Well, we don't need power supplies or radios anymore--that's "old technology". Heck,
there are companies who well sell you a "digital TV antenna" to replace your "old analog antenna"
(there is nothing more analog then an antenna).

There's been another huge change: now, thanks to software and firmware, the costs of increasing
complexity are now hidden. If you add another gear to a clock, you just increased the parts count
and the unit cost. But if you add a line of code to a program, you don't increase the parts count
unless it fills up all the RAM. The only limit on complexity is the number of RAM chips you can
pack into the box.

The old rule of programmers was "K.I.S.S" -- Keep It Simple, Stupid. Because a simple program
can be validated: mathematically proven to be correct. More complex source code can only be
inspected. But soon it reaches the point that all the King's horses and all the King's men cannot
tell whether humptydumpty.exe is correct. (If you don't believe me, ask the crew of Lion Air
Flight 610.)

Both elecro-mechanical elevators and digital computers are examples of "finite-state machines".
A elevator might have 20 or 30 different states. But it's common for computers running software
or firmware to have billions of states.. Some have so many that if you tested them by entering each
state for 1 second, the sun would burn out before you finished. So they are impossible to
exhaustively test. The only hope is have a modular design, where test jigs can be written to test
each module separately.

But the emphasis in the technology industry isn't on modular design or error-free code, it's on getting
the product to market quickly and cheaply. Tech products have a limited shelf life--if you wait to long
to release it, it's obsolete. And the kind of strict discipline and accountability requrired to run a good
software development shop are very rare in American corporate culture. It used to be found in the
telecom industry and defense contractors, but even that has faded.

Consumers know better than to buy nuclear reactors (or is it just that they can't afford one?).
But they buy and rely on software and firmware without giving it a second thought. They even
trust their life to it. I'm sure than none of the passengers--on that doomed flight thought that
software was going to kill them that day.

The combination of smart devices and stupid or deluded people is extremely dangerous. A workman
must know the limitations of his tools. No technology is immune from Murphy's Law. Complexity
always comes at a cost. Do not trust a wild animal or a computer--it's not your friend. Trust only
what you understand well enough to know when it's gone haywire--and what to do about it.

A camera or home computer is unlikely to kill you (unless it burns the house down), but it can
waste enormous amounts of time and money. If its' connected to the Internet, it can make you
the victim of theft, fraud, extortion, blackmail or espionage.

Blind reliance on technology and neglect of science and education is the quicked route to a Dark Age.

Already, for many Americans, technology comes from "somewhere else" not their town, and maybe not
their state. Probably your local public library does not subscribe to any science or engineering journals.
Probably it has books on science and mathematics (history, biographies, "fluff" and "hand-waving")
but not of science and mathematics. There was a time when American school children used a book
full of proofs--Euclid's Elements of Geometry -- as a textbook. Dated as that work is, it contains
real, live mathematics.

According to the 2003 National Assessment of Adult Literacy (NAAL), 23% of Californians "lack
basic prose literacy skills". That's in the nation's most populous state and the home of "Silicon
Valley" (where these days, nothing is manufactured).

The goal of progress isn't to enable everyone to be ignorant and waited on by machines--the way
a helpless, bloated queen bee is fed and cleaned by worker bees. It to make everything better, safer and
more controllable, so that events like Chernobyl, Fukashima, Ethiopian Airlines Flight 302, Lion Air
Flight 610 and Malaysian Airlines Flight MH370 become a thing of the past--like the Black Plague.

Instead, we are afflicted by a plague of software bugs, endangering the very fabric of our society:
transportation, communications, banking, defense. At the individual level, our security, privacy and
finances are being compromised. But people put their faith in invisible beings and/or Technology--
because that is what they are told to do---rather than in themselves.

Photographers at least should be able to control their own destiny. A least they have a choice: all
photography is optical, but it is only chemical, electrical, electronic or computerized if you want
it to be.

Even with a microprocesor controlled digital camera (an "embedded system") you have choices:
you can insist on buttons and knobs, not menus. You can insist on an optical viewfinder (that
doesn't drain the battery). For that matter, you can insist on standard batteries. You can insist
on an industry standard for lens mounts and raw mode file format.

The monopolists and technology robber barons are counting on you to be passive consumers,
buying whatever they chose to make available. Don't. Vote your dollars for something that
is reliable, repairable, understandable and taht will last for decades (like your father's,
grandfather's and great-grandfather's cameras did). Tell them you want the Apollo Program,
not the Space Shuttle.
Funny how everyone thinks he's smarter than Thomas... (show quote)


You wrote,"Funny how everyone thinks he's smarter than Thomas Edison because her's screwed in an
LCD lightbulb."

I would like to see one of those LCD lightbulbs you reference in your rant. Pure fiction.

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Mar 28, 2019 05:44:30   #
duane klipping Loc: Bristow iowa
 
Lots of free tutorials on YouTube. Adam Gibbs channel can teach you a lot. Then again as others said it may just be time to put what you have already learned to practice.

Afraid after all that schooling you may be disappointed in your images. Practical experience and by experimenting your knowledge will grow in leaps and bounds.

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Mar 29, 2019 01:03:19   #
MDI Mainer
 
I would say there are better coursed out there for field work. Already mentioned is Creative Live. I've bought courses by Art Wolfe, Franz Lanting, Chris Burkard. Ian Plant has his own site and some good courses too. But like Ramelli you will be inundated by persistent sales efforts. Not so bad with Creative. Creative often has sales, up to 50% off the courses on its platform, plus you can find discount coupons by searching on line.

But what I would really suggest is a live workshop with a local photographer. I my area you can find good courses in the $300-500 range for a full day or so of instruction, shooting and critique in a small group setting. Far more reasonable than what the nationally known names cost.

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Mar 29, 2019 01:39:56   #
Vince68 Loc: Wappingers Falls, NY
 
streetglide12 wrote:
Good evening,
I have been doing manual photography for about a year. I have attended a few adult junior college classes on using manual. One of the adult students mentioned Serge Ramelli courses as a way to use my learning on a higher level. I researched the reviews about his system and they were 50/50 on using it. I trust the expertise here for solid advice. Thank you for your time.


FWIW.... To everyone that said Ramelli talks to fast or his videos were to fast moving, you do know how to pause a video, or replay any part of it over again, don't you? Sure he has a French accent and at times is hard to understand, but he has almost 600 FREE videos on his YouTube channel covering a wide assortment of post processing topics using Lightroom, Photoshop, Luminar, and Aurora software, as well as how he composes images, shoots, and other topics.

When I first started using Lightroom, I Googled "Lightroom tutorials" and his tutorials were one of the first to show up in the Google search, so I watched one. I found it quite useful and informative, and I found many other videos covering different topics helpful as well. Other photographers that I often watched tutorials of were Anthony Morganti, Jim Nix, Julieanne Kost, and Aaron Nace. The same can be said here on UHH, there are many Hogs that have posted valuable info or links with helpful hints and information on how to do something.

Everyone has their own way of showing you their own style of post processing, as well as their own vision and style of photography, as we all do. But personally, I found Ramelli's tutorials to be very helpful when I first started out using Lightroom, and then Photoshop. I still watch his videos and the others when I need some help with a topic I am unsure about. The bottom line is, if you find someone that YOU feel is presenting tutorials that are useful to you and presenting information that is helping you to learn, then by all means watch their videos. After all, that is what it is all about... learning.

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