donrent Loc: Punta Gorda , Fl

For those of you who might think this is nothing but Conservitive Propaganda, don't ask me to prove the statement... Just get off your lazy ass and do it yourself..
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As you may know, Cruz Construction started a division in North Dakota just 6 months ago. They send every Kenworth (9 trucks) we had here in Alaska to North Dakota and several drivers. They just bought two new Kenworth's to add to that fleet; one being a Tri Drive tractor and a new 65 ton lowboy to go with it. They also bought two new cranes (one crawler & one rubber tired) for that division.

Dave Cruz said they have moved more rigs in the last 6 months in ND than Cruz Construction moved in Alaska in the last 6 years.

Williston is like a gold rush town; they moved one of our 40 man camps down there since there are no rooms available.

Unemployment in ND is the lowest in the nation at 3.4 percent last I checked.

See anything in the national news about how the oil industry is fueling North Dakota 's economy?

Here's an astonishing read. Important and verifiable information:

About 6 months ago, the writer was watching a news program on oil and one of the Forbes Bros. was the guest.

The host said to Forbes, "I am going to ask you a direct question and I would like a direct answer; how much oil does the U.S. have in the ground?" Forbes did not miss a beat, he said, "more than all the Middle East put together."

The U. S.. Geological Service issued a report in April 2008 that only scientists and oil men knew was coming, but man was it big.

It was a revised report (hadn't been updated since 1995) on how much oil was in this area of the western 2/3 of North Dakota, western South Dakota, and extreme eastern Montana.

Check THIS out:

The Bakken is the largest domestic oil discovery since Alaska 's Prudhoe Bay , and has the potential to eliminate all American dependence on foreign oil. The Energy Information Administration (EIA) estimates it at 503 billion barrels. Even if just 10% of the oil is recoverable( 5 billion barrels), at $107 a barrel, we're looking at a resource base worth more than $5.3 trillion.

"When I first briefed legislators on this, you could practically see their jaws hit the floor.

They had no idea.." says Terry Johnson, the Montana Legislature's financial analyst.

"This sizable find is now the highest-producing onshore oil field found in the past 56 years," reports The Pittsburgh Post Gazette .

It's a formation known as the Williston Basin , but is more commonly referred to as the 'Bakken.' It stretches from Northern Montana, through North Dakota and into Canada .

For years, U. S. oil exploration has been considered a dead end. Even the 'Big Oil' companies gave up searching for major oil wells decades ago.

However, a recent technological breakthrough has opened up the Bakken's massive reserves, and we now have access of up to 500 billion barrels. And because this is light, sweet oil, those billions of barrels will cost Americans just $16 PER BARREL !!!!!!

That's enough crude to fully fuel the American economy for 2041 years straight.

And if THAT didn't throw you on the floor, then this next one should - because it's from 2006 !!!!!!

U.. S. Oil Discovery - Largest Reserve in the World

Stansberry Report Online - 4/20/2006

Hidden 1,000 feet beneath the surface of the Rocky Mountains lies the largest untapped oil reserve in the world.

It is more than 2 TRILLION barrels. On August 8, 2005 President Bush mandated its extraction.

In three and a half years of high oil prices none has been extracted.

With this motherload of oil why are we still fighting over off-shore drilling?

They reported this stunning news: We have more oil inside our borders, than all the other proven reserves on earth.

Here are the official estimates:

8 times as much oil as Saudi Arabia

18 times as much oil as Iraq

21 times as much oil as Kuwait

22 times as much oil as Iran

500 times as much oil as Yemen

and it's all right here in the Western United States !!!!!!

HOW can this BE? HOW can we NOT BE extracting this? Because the environmentalists and others have blocked all efforts to help America become independent of foreign oil! Again, we are letting a small group of people dictate our lives and our economy. WHY?

James Bartis, lead researcher with the study says we've got more oil in this very compact area than the entire Middle East , more than 2 TRILLION barrels untapped. That's more than all the proven oil reserves of crude oil in the world today, reports The Denver Post .

Don't think 'OPEC' will drop its price even with this find? Think again! It's all about the competitive marketplace, it has to.

Think OPEC just might be funding the environmentalists?

Got your attention yet? Now, while you're thinking about it, do this:

Pass this along. If you don't take a little time to do this, then you should stifle yourself the next time

you complain about gas prices, by doing NOTHING, you forfeit your right to complain.

Now I just wonder what would happen in this country if every one of you sent this to every one in your address book.

By the way, this can be verified. The March, 2013, National Geographic has thirty
pages on this oil extravaganza.

Check it out at the link below !!!!!!

http://www.usgs.gov/newsroom/article.asp?ID=1911 > ;

Bruce with a Canon Loc: Islip

I am shocked you are suprised.
I was in Alaska ( Army) During the pipeline construction and even in the early 70's the liberal propaganda was there was not enough oil to justify drilling alaska, 41 years later thge oil STILL flows from north slope and tey more vast rserves remain untouched.
We could be independant from all imported oil ( save Canadian) in a matter of a few years, and no longer be held hostage by middle east miscreants.
Where are the ADULTS in Washington? For that matter where are the Republicans?
Sad that my Republican Party turned in to what is now is, abandoning their values and standards and folks like me, FORMER republicans.
RINO's are no better than liberal democrats.

donrent Loc: Punta Gorda , Fl

Ain't that the truth Bruce.... Why today's Repubs are so meeally mouth I don't know.. Be nice to have a few that have the balls to REALLY speak out and not cave in like that damn Senator Pussy Willow.....

skidooman Loc: Minnesota

Copied and shared. Was in Williston last summer,,,,although the landscape isn't the prettiest,,people are working!! Concessions have to made for survival. I too feel abandoned by the Rep. party. As a person that travels for a living,,,these obscene gas prices (and constant steep hikes) hurt. So much to say.........

jadeast Loc: Virginia

I drove through Kildeer and Williston last August. 24/7 Semis, the pavement has ruts from constant heavy traffic hauling supplies and modular housing, villages of nothing but temporary housing, constant road widening projects. I had to wait in line to buy diesel fuel behind semis refueling. Not pretty but they're working, you can smell the place for miles and can't drink the water But if it weren't for T Roosevelt NP I wouldn't go there.

James Parrish Loc: Folsom, California

As Long as the Giant Gasoline Producers are backed by the Republican Congress & Senate NOTHING WILL CHANGE! They are going to squeeze the American Public for all they can get before Obama starts selling the rights to those that help Pay off the Current National Dept.
It's is happening as we speak.
We Still need to use alternate forms of fuel. Why not lead the world to a better end. At the same time clear what we owe and bring jobs back home once again.

Blurryeyed Loc: NC Mountains.

WTF are you talking about?

Gnslngr

Yup. And it will NEVER run out. Ever. We can just keep burning it and burning it (trees cause more pollution than man) forever and ever.

andesbill

First of all, the cover article of the March National Geographic is on fracking in North Dakota.
Secondly, global warming is real. At the least, it's exacerbated by waste products produced by human activity.
It's fair to say that you don't care what damage global warming causes, because you don't want to pay to clean up your mess. That you are only interested in keeping the price of oil (and gas, and coal) cheap. Let our kids and grandkids clean up the garbage. Or, you can in fairness say that even with the cost of clean up, alternative energy sources need more time before they are ready for prime time.
What you can't say without sounding like an idiot is that there is no warming, that we aren't making it worse by burning fossil fuels, and that burning them for 2000 years won't make things much, much worse.
BTW I am a libertarian, and voted republican the last two elections.
Bill

RichieC Loc: Adirondacks

The technology to make hydrogen and use it as a fuel is expensive, when you knock it out of .. lets say water. takes about as much energy as you get. Now oil is a hydro carbon, and its much easier to knock the H2 off of oil... get it. Not sure what the waste product is nor what you can do with it, but i am sure it is better then putting it in the air. So oil is still the key till they get bacteria or some other breakthrough to create hydrogen. Burning hydrogen is adding it to O, 2> H2+O2 = H2O... pure water... that you can drink right out of your tail pipe. It is the perfect fuel. I agree this is the direction to go, but in the meanwhile we have some problems this oil field could solve.

JUst think, the hypocrite Al Gore will still be able to fuel up his plane, (though perhaps he has a deal with the people he sold his TV network to), and how fun it is to watch liberal dimocrats spin this like its been anybody BUT THEM who have resisted oil exploration in the USA/North America. They'd rather make our enemies rich so they can kill Americans.

It is all... so telling, but confirms the empty shirt syndrome they suffer from the very top down.

That being said, they need to take care how they get it out. But fracking has no effect on drinking water. You don't get drinking water from miles down... not how it works.

The earth has been much warmer, it has been much, much colder, we are in a interglacial period. There will be another Ice Age someday. What triggers this is not known, but a warming spell may change the currents and cause the gulf streams to deviate much farther north, bringing very cold water to Europe and our west coast, allowing the glaciers to grow more then they recede, this sets up weather patterns and snow fields that perpetuate the effect. And so the theory goes ( one of them) that a warming period starts it all. It's gonna happen, humans or no.. you tell me how it will? There are so much politics in science, you can't believe everything any of them say... so I watch for political gain in a theory.

But in ANY CASE THE WEATHER WILL CHANGE AS IT ALWAYS HAS. Maybe we are making it go faster, maybe we are slowing it down.

But if you want to put your money where your mouth is, YOU stop burning fuels tomorrow or taking any advantage you get from them, and hell, send in double your taxes if that floats your boat. But that's not how liberals work,,, they spend others peoples money and pass laws to make people do what they want them to.

andesbill

I live in an energy star certified home. Every appliance I own is as energy efficient as I could find. All my light bulbs are cfc's. I own a Prius. I put photovoltaic panels on my roof. BTW, they will not pay for themselves.
I put my money where my mouth is. I'm a retired teacher, so doing this stuff cost me dearly.
We are in an interglacial period, and I believe that some global warming from before 1950 might have been due to that. There are also global climate cycles involved. I used to teach this stuff. But, the overwhelming evidence shows that the earth is warming faster than can be accounted for except for the waste products of fossil fuel burning and other human caused pollutants.

All the green alternatives, (solar, wind, hydrogen) have pollution problems as well. And they are costly. Mining rare earths causes pollution, not to mention political problems due to the fact that they are controlled by China.
To determine what energy sources really cost, I would like to see, all energy sources priced accurately from the cradle (mining, drilling, etc.) to the grave (cleaning up the waste products). Publish the results. Tell us what each source really costs us, and what it would cost to be energy clean. Let us then decide which sources to subsidize. Right now we subsidize fossil fuel extraction, and are putting off cleaning it up.

Also, fracking can pollute water sources. The concrete encasements of the wells fails, often, allowing methane and byproducts of fracking to rise and leach into wells and aquifers.
I don't know about you, but I don't trust the political agencies responsible for watching over these energy companies, many of which are foreign owned, and some of which are fly by night.
I don't trust the energy companies either, as there job, rightfully is to make as large of a profit as possible.
Finally, trees pollute more than humans? If the person who wrote that wants to sue the teacher who taught him that, and the school as well, I will testify on his behalf at my own expense.
Bill

Gnslngr

My post was tongue in cheek. It is, however, sadly representative of many on this forum......
:thumbup:

wilpharm Loc: Oklahoma

a very huge problem in the Bakken...no quick way to get oil to the refineries..35% of the oil that COntinental resources produces now has to be shipped out by rail...adding significantly to the cost at the refineriy...Guess who is holding up pipelines..

andesbill

You're right. I missed that. I apologize.
The topic though is complex, without simple answers. Neither "Drill Baby Drill", or "stop using fossil fuels now" is the answer.
Without cheap energy our society may collapse. If we truly pay for the cleanup it will no longer be as cheap. It may in fact be too expensive to run the consumer society we've become used to. Whether any of us thinks that's good or bad doesn't matter.
Bill