The Disarming of Our Vets!
Feb 21, 2013 19:49:33 #
Written By Constitutional Attorney Michael Connelly, J.D.
How would you feel if you received a letter from the U.S. Government informing you that because of a physical or mental condition that the government says you have it is proposing to rule that you are incompetent to handle your own financial affairs? Suppose that letter also stated that the government is going to appoint a stranger to handle your affairs for you at your expense? That would certainly be scary enough but it gets worse.
What if that letter also stated: A determination of incompetency will prohibit you from purchasing, possessing, receiving, or transporting a firearm or ammunition. If you knowingly violate any of these prohibitions, you may be fined, imprisoned, or both pursuant to the Brady Handgun Violence Prevention Act, Pub.L.No. 103-159, as implemented at 18, United States Code 924(a)(2).?
That makes is sound like something right from a documentary on a tyrannical dictatorship somewhere in the world. Yet, as I write this I have a copy of such a letter right in front of me. It is being sent by the U.S. Department of Veterans Affairs to hundreds, perhaps thousands, of Americas heroes. In my capacity as Executive Director of the United States Justice Foundation (USJF) I have been contacted by some of these veterans and the stories I am getting are appalling.
The letter provides no specifics on the reasons for the proposed finding of incompetency; just that is based on a determination by someone in the VA. In every state in the United States no one can be declared incompetent to administer their own affairs without due process of law and that usually requires a judicial hearing with evidence being offered to prove to a judge that the person is indeed incompetent. This is a requirement of the Fifth Amendment to the U.S. Constitution that states that no person shall be deprived of life, liberty, or property without due process of law .
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How would you feel if you received a letter from the U.S. Government informing you that because of a physical or mental condition that the government says you have it is proposing to rule that you are incompetent to handle your own financial affairs? Suppose that letter also stated that the government is going to appoint a stranger to handle your affairs for you at your expense? That would certainly be scary enough but it gets worse.
What if that letter also stated: A determination of incompetency will prohibit you from purchasing, possessing, receiving, or transporting a firearm or ammunition. If you knowingly violate any of these prohibitions, you may be fined, imprisoned, or both pursuant to the Brady Handgun Violence Prevention Act, Pub.L.No. 103-159, as implemented at 18, United States Code 924(a)(2).?
That makes is sound like something right from a documentary on a tyrannical dictatorship somewhere in the world. Yet, as I write this I have a copy of such a letter right in front of me. It is being sent by the U.S. Department of Veterans Affairs to hundreds, perhaps thousands, of Americas heroes. In my capacity as Executive Director of the United States Justice Foundation (USJF) I have been contacted by some of these veterans and the stories I am getting are appalling.
The letter provides no specifics on the reasons for the proposed finding of incompetency; just that is based on a determination by someone in the VA. In every state in the United States no one can be declared incompetent to administer their own affairs without due process of law and that usually requires a judicial hearing with evidence being offered to prove to a judge that the person is indeed incompetent. This is a requirement of the Fifth Amendment to the U.S. Constitution that states that no person shall be deprived of life, liberty, or property without due process of law .
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Feb 21, 2013 20:38:59 #
Can you name anyone who has gotten such a letter
Feb 21, 2013 20:45:17 #
Mac wrote:
Can you name anyone who has gotten such a letter
Or an official link from the VA?
Feb 21, 2013 20:52:21 #
sourdough58 wrote:
Written By Constitutional Attorney Michael Connell... (show quote)
It comes free with your shiny new DD-214.
Typical VA
Feb 21, 2013 20:55:12 #
Feb 21, 2013 21:48:58 #
Probably tied into any type of papework for mental health benefits ( money ) for PTSD.
If you claim PTSD - You'll get that letter/form and since you claim you have a mental problem you want compensation for, you're going to loose your right to a weapon.
Hey, if you are mentally disturbed and want compensation, you don't need a weapon in your house.
One or the other - Sane or Disturbed ?
Sarge69
If you claim PTSD - You'll get that letter/form and since you claim you have a mental problem you want compensation for, you're going to loose your right to a weapon.
Hey, if you are mentally disturbed and want compensation, you don't need a weapon in your house.
One or the other - Sane or Disturbed ?
Sarge69
Feb 22, 2013 00:22:32 #
Before this is taken as gospel, or dismissed as right wing propaganda, lets sit back an let it mature. As far as I can tell it was dated within the past day or two and is only hitting the net in the past 24 hours. I'm sure that Snopes or others will either confirm the validity or throw it to the trash heap of internet legends soon enough.
Why get all wrapped around the axle before the facts have an opportunity to present themselves?
Why get all wrapped around the axle before the facts have an opportunity to present themselves?
Feb 22, 2013 08:21:24 #
heyrob wrote:
Before this is taken as gospel, or dismissed as right wing propaganda, lets sit back an let it mature. As far as I can tell it was dated within the past day or two and is only hitting the net in the past 24 hours. I'm sure that Snopes or others will either confirm the validity or throw it to the trash heap of internet legends soon enough.
Why get all wrapped around the axle before the facts have an opportunity to present themselves?
Why get all wrapped around the axle before the facts have an opportunity to present themselves?
Amen!
Feb 22, 2013 12:06:53 #
If I should show any signs of mental illness, I certainly hope someone - be it a friend, family member or government official - will disarm me so as to make it less likely that I will harm myself or others.
Feb 23, 2013 03:37:20 #
rook2c4 wrote:
If I should show any signs of mental illness, I certainly hope someone - be it a friend, family member or government official - will disarm me so as to make it less likely that I will harm myself or others.
Unless you're prone to such behavior to begin with I doubt you have much to worry about. Even a hypnotist can't make you do something that goes aginst your nature.
Feb 23, 2013 05:04:51 #
sarge69 wrote:
Probably tied into any type of papework for mental health benefits ( money ) for PTSD.
If you claim PTSD - You'll get that letter/form and since you claim you have a mental problem you want compensation for, you're going to loose your right to a weapon.
Hey, if you are mentally disturbed and want compensation, you don't need a weapon in your house.
One or the other - Sane or Disturbed ?
Sarge69
If you claim PTSD - You'll get that letter/form and since you claim you have a mental problem you want compensation for, you're going to loose your right to a weapon.
Hey, if you are mentally disturbed and want compensation, you don't need a weapon in your house.
One or the other - Sane or Disturbed ?
Sarge69
Quite right.
The whole issue of addressing PTSD in returning veterans who have endured multiple deployments is just now starting to receive increased awareness, not only in how it is being identified and treated, but also how it is effecting our older veterans where suicide rates are even higher ( see Suicide Rates Soaring in WWII Veterans )
https://www.baycitizen.org/news/veterans/suicide-rates-soar-among-wwii-vets/
One of the questions that is asked of those veterans is, Have you recently had feelings of either harming yourself or others? In many cases those veterans will answer Yes. Interestingly, the VA asks other, seemingly oblique questions that may also indicate a propensity for doing harm to self or others or indicate unusual levels of paranoia or depression as they evaluate that veterans need for inclusion into the program.
It seems to me that if they (the veteran) are in those programs and are receiving a disability allowance based on that, they dont need a gun in the house.
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