RealBohemian Loc: Toronto

Someone quote this

Quote:Film Photography was an art and a craft.
Now digital images are captured with ease, and manipulated in way previously never imagined. As a result, the photographic image has lost its authority. We used to say, "and I've got the pictures to prove it." A picture now might be "proving" no more than the image makers skill with Photoshop.::End of quote::

Who you are kiddin'?
And working with Photoshop = IS creativity, not only repair bat frames....
So you never spend time in "Dark Room",and manipulate your photos?
Really? Did you actually TRY to make another hanger (digital)for your wall?Maybe not.Why? Just to keep the old one as THE BEST?
Did you explore macro world with your camera then,get any small or large bird in flight? Did you see any wife,kid, or grandpa(ma) take pictures?
And film photography was so expensive, only PRO could afford it, unless someone took your picture,(one studio in county or city) gimmi a break,i mean everything was so expensive,time and time again and again, always counting every frames left (and keep for next time) and making new batches of developer in dark room, cause old one didn't work for long.
I know, now we pay this in cost of cameras,software,(one time expense) but with digital come FREEDOM!!!!!
Now even Family photographers can be creative since there is minimal cost and it is very affordable. look in here at hedgehog how many house wife's,kids,teenagers,elderly(with shaky hand, or not) can afford to take pictures and please them self, families and even public.
Not always are the "old way" best way
Karel

rpavich Loc: West Virginia

This is 2 minutes of my life I won't be getting back. :(

Wendy2 Loc: California

Even with film, it could be manipulated. Some photographers stack the negatives and come up with some 'unreal' images. I took a picture of this photo at an art gallery in Cambria, Ca. (they actually let me do it!!) I managed to print it and have it framed, hanging on my wall.

I can't remember the photographer's name, but he stacks film negatives and comes up with some very unreal photos. This one is Venice. If you know anything about Venice, you would know that this is surreal. Nothing like this exists in the real world of Venice. Notice the gondola on the wild sea.

This was printed on metallic paper and it was stunning!! Many of this photographers photos are really bizarre. This one was one of the tamer ones.

Remember, this is a photo of a photo of a photo! So the quality is lacking. The one I have on my wall looks pretty clear, but certainly not as crisp and clear as the original and this photo of my photo has lost a lot of quality. Just posting it to show how film can be manipulated as well.

bull drink water Loc: pontiac mi.

where do you get this stuff? as today back then almost everyone could afford to take pictures.only the pros and advanced amateurs had darkrooms.many pros had special labs they used. they used to talk about them in the photo mags. kodak did everything they could to bring photagraphy to the masses. cupons, specials, and drop offs all over the place. i had a darkroom but i used it sparingly and for black and white only. my photo store sent my film out to have slides made. i manipulated my negitives but i did the best i could with my camera and got a lot of good slides. i did it with apature prioroity and manual focus.

photocat Loc: Atlanta, Ga

They don't stack the negatives, they move the paper from enlarger to enlarger.
Google Jerry Uslman, he is a master in this area.

ALso, a one time expense with camera and software, maybe in your world, but not in mine.

My darkroom equipment is over 50 years old and is still working great, with no upgrades, etc. Only a new bulb.

Each has its' own pro's and con's.

But photos have been manipluated since the beginning of the craft

TucsonCoyote Loc: Tucson AZ

No doubt Photography has come a long way since Daggerotypes, so some of us are harder to impress than others !

hutbooker

Agreed but I am fed up trying to kid the digital camera to give me a faster speed, wider appature, focus on the item I want, this was not a problem with a manual film camera, I like digital but would like more manual oppertunity to bring back the feel of 35mm.

TucsonCoyote Loc: Tucson AZ

You still get that "shla-slang" camera shaking mirror slam with the DSLR! lol

selmslie Loc: Fernandina Beach, FL, USA

But not with a rangefinder.

bkyser Loc: Fly over country in Indiana

Racmanaz Loc: Sunny Tucson!

Ya try manipulating a color reversal slide film.....end of story :)

photocat Loc: Atlanta, Ga

Every seen any of Michael Orton's work. He used slides, and some would say they were manipulated.

bkyser Loc: Fly over country in Indiana

Exactly what I said above his post. Orton did it with slides, that's where the photoshop "orton effect" originated....slides (or color reversal film is you want to sound fancy)

photocat Loc: Atlanta, Ga

I understand exactly where the photoshop filter came from, they are trying to recreate his technique.

Racmanaz Loc: Sunny Tucson!

Who cares what people say, they questionis did he manipulate them.