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Feb 8, 2013 08:13:56   #
Jan F. Rasmussen Loc: Denmark
 
From the link I gave earlier:

Einstein and religion

From everything we know about Albert Einstein, all this scholastic navel gazing would have bored him to tears. As a theoretical physicist he found the order and complexity of the universe awe-inspiring enough to call the experience "religious." As a sensitive human being he took a profound interest in questions of morality. But none of this, to him, pointed in the direction of a supreme being.

"It does not lead us to take the step of fashioning a god-like being in our own image," he explained when asked about the religious implications of relativity. "For this reason, people of our type see in morality a purely human matter, albeit the most important in the human sphere."

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Feb 8, 2013 09:35:21   #
Robbie7 Loc: Northampton. England
 
Mulachabu wrote:
were is the evidence that Albert Einstein was involved? I think you will find plenty of evidence for evolution, even the flu virus evolves season after season and we all know that. I suspect that This is anti evolution propaganda, god gets the credit when he turns up for good deeds and the devil gets the wrap for bad things that happen when god is absent. The meaning of life is in your hands, you will not find it in ancient texts. When people start taking responsibility for the state of this world and stop passing the buck to some delusional god (of which there are many) the better it will be for all, we need to grow up and get past the fairy tales.
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Feb 8, 2013 10:00:04   #
Jan F. Rasmussen Loc: Denmark
 
Robbie7 wrote:
Mulachabu wrote:
were is the evidence that Albert Einstein was involved? I think you will find plenty of evidence for evolution, even the flu virus evolves season after season and we all know that. I suspect that This is anti evolution propaganda, god gets the credit when he turns up for good deeds and the devil gets the wrap for bad things that happen when god is absent. The meaning of life is in your hands, you will not find it in ancient texts. When people start taking responsibility for the state of this world and stop passing the buck to some delusional god (of which there are many) the better it will be for all, we need to grow up and get past the fairy tales.
were is the evidence that Albert Einstein was invo... (show quote)


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There is EVERY evidence, that he was NOT involved. It is the usual crap from the Theidiots...

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Feb 8, 2013 10:31:38   #
jkm757 Loc: San Diego, Ca.
 
Mulachabu wrote:
were is the evidence that Albert Einstein was involved? I think you will find plenty of evidence for evolution, even the flu virus evolves season after season and we all know that. I suspect that This is anti evolution propaganda, god gets the credit when he turns up for good deeds and the devil gets the wrap for bad things that happen when god is absent. The meaning of life is in your hands, you will not find it in ancient texts. When people start taking responsibility for the state of this world and stop passing the buck to some delusional god (of which there are many) the better it will be for all, we need to grow up and get past the fairy tales.
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Feb 8, 2013 10:35:39   #
MagicFad Loc: Clermont, FL
 
Bazamac wrote:
Ummm - slight problem with this story. Apart from the dodgy logic (which seems to be pretty much the norm for theodicy), the student in this story identifies himself as a christian. Einstein was Jewish. The attribution to Einstein is clearly bogus.

Your statement would have more credibility if you had left the parentheses out, you then turned it into name calling.

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Feb 8, 2013 10:39:59   #
Bazamac Loc: Manchester, UK
 
MagicFad wrote:
Bazamac wrote:
Ummm - slight problem with this story. Apart from the dodgy logic (which seems to be pretty much the norm for theodicy), the student in this story identifies himself as a christian. Einstein was Jewish. The attribution to Einstein is clearly bogus.

Your statement would have more credibility if you had left the parentheses out, you then turned it into name calling.


Sorry, where's the name-calling?

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Feb 8, 2013 10:41:54   #
MagicFad Loc: Clermont, FL
 
Jan F. Rasmussen wrote:
Very "interesting" bull shit - it is naturally pure fabrication (see link below). A piece of fiction written around 1999 and later (around) 2004 attributed to Einstein.

Another religious lie - but of a smaller nature compared to the fundamental wicked lies of the various "holy books".

http://urbanlegends.about.com/od/religion/a/einstein_god.htm

Although you may have the facts correct about the post itself, your colorful metaphors and insults portray you as a person of ignorance who can't state his opinion without resorting to name calling and insults.

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Feb 8, 2013 10:43:54   #
MagicFad Loc: Clermont, FL
 
singleviking wrote:
Jan F. Rasmussen wrote:
Very "interesting" bull shit - it is naturally pure fabrication (see link below). A piece of fiction written around 1999 and later (around) 2004 attributed to Einstein.

Another religious lie - but of a smaller nature compared to the fundamental wicked lies of the various "holy books".

http://urbanlegends.about.com/od/religion/a/einstein_god.htm


I'm with you Jan. This fabricated story has too many holes and misinformation to have any credibility. Although Einstein may have been brought up in the Jewish faith, his observance to that doctrine was far from that of a devout Jew. He abandoned his first family and children when he left Germany and lived the rest of his life with his female cousin. He was a declared atheist.
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SingleViking, You stated your opinion well with out insulting anyone. Bravo!

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Feb 8, 2013 10:45:43   #
MagicFad Loc: Clermont, FL
 
Jan F. Rasmussen wrote:
From the link I gave earlier:

Einstein and religion

From everything we know about Albert Einstein, all this scholastic navel gazing would have bored him to tears. As a theoretical physicist he found the order and complexity of the universe awe-inspiring enough to call the experience "religious." As a sensitive human being he took a profound interest in questions of morality. But none of this, to him, pointed in the direction of a supreme being.

"It does not lead us to take the step of fashioning a god-like being in our own image," he explained when asked about the religious implications of relativity. "For this reason, people of our type see in morality a purely human matter, albeit the most important in the human sphere."
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Thank you for stating your opinion without resorting to insults or name calling. Very much appreciated.

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Feb 8, 2013 10:46:37   #
MagicFad Loc: Clermont, FL
 
Jan F. Rasmussen wrote:
Robbie7 wrote:
Mulachabu wrote:
were is the evidence that Albert Einstein was involved? I think you will find plenty of evidence for evolution, even the flu virus evolves season after season and we all know that. I suspect that This is anti evolution propaganda, god gets the credit when he turns up for good deeds and the devil gets the wrap for bad things that happen when god is absent. The meaning of life is in your hands, you will not find it in ancient texts. When people start taking responsibility for the state of this world and stop passing the buck to some delusional god (of which there are many) the better it will be for all, we need to grow up and get past the fairy tales.
were is the evidence that Albert Einstein was invo... (show quote)


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quote=Mulachabu were is the evidence that Albert ... (show quote)


There is EVERY evidence, that he was NOT involved. It is the usual crap from the Theidiots...
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There you go again with the "crap" stuff.

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Feb 8, 2013 10:49:02   #
MagicFad Loc: Clermont, FL
 
Bazamac wrote:
MagicFad wrote:
Bazamac wrote:
Ummm - slight problem with this story. Apart from the dodgy logic (which seems to be pretty much the norm for theodicy), the student in this story identifies himself as a christian. Einstein was Jewish. The attribution to Einstein is clearly bogus.

Your statement would have more credibility if you had left the parentheses out, you then turned it into name calling.


Sorry, where's the name-calling?

Your reference to "theodicy" as dodgy logic.

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Feb 8, 2013 10:51:10   #
Bazamac Loc: Manchester, UK
 
MagicFad wrote:
Bazamac wrote:
MagicFad wrote:
Bazamac wrote:
Ummm - slight problem with this story. Apart from the dodgy logic (which seems to be pretty much the norm for theodicy), the student in this story identifies himself as a christian. Einstein was Jewish. The attribution to Einstein is clearly bogus.

Your statement would have more credibility if you had left the parentheses out, you then turned it into name calling.


Sorry, where's the name-calling?

Your reference to "theodicy" as dodgy logic.
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That's not name calling, it's an opinion. Do you know what theodicy is?

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Feb 8, 2013 11:22:08   #
lovesphotos Loc: Colorado and Arizona
 
Evolution is too slow a process to witness personally for anyone. We don't live long enough for that. But we certainly see the evidence of it. And as for light and dark and heat, none are infinite, they are all bound by the limits of the physics. That is why we have words to describe them. As for God, I can't say that it exists. What exists is nature which operates in random and is responsible for the existace of everything...Just my nickle's worth of thought.

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Feb 8, 2013 11:26:04   #
amyinsparta Loc: White county, TN
 
Jan F. Rasmussen wrote:
Very "interesting" bull shit - it is naturally pure fabrication (see link below). A piece of fiction written around 1999 and later (around) 2004 attributed to Einstein.

Another religious lie - but of a smaller nature compared to the fundamental wicked lies of the various "holy books".

http://urbanlegends.about.com/od/religion/a/einstein_god.htm


Which leads us to the belief that the same thing happened with the writing of the Bible, both old and new Testaments. The writers wrote a century or more after the fact and put words into Jesus' and others' mouths, in order to prove their beliefs of the day. And so we have a literal interpretation of a book that is metaphysical, magical, and so beyond literalism that it makes one's head spin. And we wonder why people have fallen away. We have gone beyond the notion that 'God' is an entity, living somewhere in a city lined with gold streets, who stays busy trying to convince, through his human mouth pieces, that all humans are sinners and the only way to get out of their situation is to believe someone outside themselves can 'save' them from a 'hell' that has also been made literal. And more than that, there are endless views of 'God', and every one of them thinks the others are infidels and going to hell. And we wonder why people gave up on all this?

We have made our god in our own image so that we may do as we wish and still pretend to be holy and separate ourselves from those we think are wrong. And we have been brainwashed to actually think that only our kind is going to be in 'heaven', whatever and wherever that may be. And we wonder why thinking people have given up on religion?

We need to deal with people's spiritual pains, not call them sinners. We do have a spiritual crisis in this country, but it isn't because people gave up on God, but rather because religion failed them. And religion failed because it no longer is based on love. If you don't believe that, then just listen to and read the words of those who purport to be followers of a loving God.

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Feb 8, 2013 11:26:18   #
PNagy Loc: Missouri City, Texas
 
Pounder35, you have perpetrated a disingenuous act. You say you are not expostulating on religion, just passing on something someone sent you. That is the weasel's way out of responsibility. If you did not think this nonsense was important and sympathized with it, you would not have posted it here.

The post is a fabrication from beginning to end. As one other person pointed out, Albert Einstein was an atheist. Moreover, the so called professor in your story, who is allegedly also a scientist is given a failed script, even though it pretends to follow the principles of science.

The major fault the attempt to lead the reader to the conclusion that faith is just as important a component of science as it is in the belief in God. Ergo, one has to take it on faith that the professor has a brain. The fraudulence of this idea is that the professor's brain is verifiable, therefore does not rest solely on faith alone. Dissection of every vertebrate skull has shown a brain to reside in it, therefore it is preposterous to assume that the professor's skull might not have had a brain, especially since the functions of the brain are also well documented, and he was displaying them by speaking and moving about.

God, on the other hand, is not only unverified, but unverifiable. He is nothing but a theoretical construct; it is possible that he exists, but there is no factual proof.

The philosophical "proof" of god is equally problematic. Essentially, it rests on the argument of causation. Everything had to have a cause. Those causes had to have causes, as well, but this cannot regress to infinity, because that is absurd; therefore, there is an ultimate cause, known as god.

This line of reasoning is logically unsound, even though philosophy is the art of seeking truth through reason alone. Reason without logic is pretzel logic. The god argument begins with a premise "everything had to have a cause," then drops the ball by exempting god from it.

It saddens me that a grown man would waste his time with the kind of nonsense you thought all of us should read. It is an even worse commentary on collective reasoning ability that there is no shortage of readers who feel it really hits home. "Ah, now we have really told off those Godless atheists (Redundancy is deliberate.), and in their own language, yet." Take your victory lap; there are enough fools to cheer you on.

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