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Jan 24, 2013 21:23:12   #
cruizer Loc: Bucks Co., Pa. (USA)
 
Assuming that you can get perfect exposure, aperture, and shutter speed using Manual setting on camera, are any of the numerous added adjustments available on the camera carried over in raw files. Or, is it necessary to make all additional adjustment in PP? Just wondering whether there is a need to set all adjustments in camera if working with raw files.

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Jan 24, 2013 21:31:36   #
tainkc Loc: Kansas City
 
Just try to do the best you can in camera. This way you don't have as much to mess with whether you shot in RAW or jpeg.

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Jan 24, 2013 22:20:02   #
birdpix Loc: South East Pennsylvania
 
Although typically RAW files are not adjusted "In Camera" some recent cameras do allow for this. My Canon 7D, with the most recent software upgrade has that feature. I don't use it, preferring to have my own LR presets appied during import.

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Jan 24, 2013 22:43:23   #
cruizer Loc: Bucks Co., Pa. (USA)
 
Not sure if my nikon d7000 allows adjustments to raw....but if they are available but they're not used, aren't they expensive resources on the camera that are wasted? In other words, could I have gotten by with a less costly camera that was able to shoot raw? I really enjoy pp in LR.

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Jan 25, 2013 07:50:55   #
GDRoth Loc: Southeast Michigan USA
 
cruizer wrote:
Not sure if my nikon d7000 allows adjustments to raw....but if they are available but they're not used, aren't they expensive resources on the camera that are wasted? In other words, could I have gotten by with a less costly camera that was able to shoot raw? I really enjoy pp in LR.


I don't think they make high quality DSLR's with only manual available............what percentage of the buying public would buy them?

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Jan 25, 2013 08:55:12   #
cruizer Loc: Bucks Co., Pa. (USA)
 
So I'm wondering if I spent too much on the camera since I tend to mostly shoot raw.

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Jan 25, 2013 10:20:36   #
tainkc Loc: Kansas City
 
cruizer wrote:
So I'm wondering if I spent too much on the camera since I tend to mostly shoot raw.
No, you are not. I too shoot in Raw. I can even adjust the white balance in camera While in RAW mode. Just certain functions are greyed out on my menu. You should always do as much in camera as possible. It just makes things easier at the end of the road. In addition, by doing this you will have much more latitude with your controls in pp if there is something slightly amiss in the photo you are working on at the time. I have saved many good shots that would have otherwise been trash if I did not set the camera properly ahead of time. It takes no effort and it gives you a better understanding of your cameras capabilities and limitations, therefore helping you to produce a better quality photograph.

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Jan 25, 2013 12:21:25   #
Fisher Pete
 
In raw your histogram on LCD of camera will reflect the picture mode your camera is set in but will not apply to the raw image. If you use standard or neutral you will get a more accurate histogram of your raw capture without any processing of the jpeg image on the LCD (minimal processing will only be done). I hope this is coherent and helps. Keep shooting.

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Jan 25, 2013 12:45:37   #
cruizer Loc: Bucks Co., Pa. (USA)
 
So any and all settings that I adjust in camera will be reflected in the Raw file?

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Jan 25, 2013 13:25:40   #
Fisher Pete
 
The raw file will not be relected by camera settings. It is still the raw information that needs processing but what you see on the LCD will be reflected by the pictures style or setting so if you are using the histogram it will be reflected in the histogram so a neutral camera setting will give a more realistic histogram. I have a canon 5D ll and I will have clipping show in the highlights in some picture styles that do not show in neutral picture style so I know when I expose to the right on the histogram and process later I will get all the info possible and not have highlights that are blown out (clipped, blinkies) that I cannot get any texture from. Hope this clarifies things a bit. If you are not completely anal like me about getting maximum info and do not have blinkies on the LCD none of this matters and camera setting for raw makes little difference as your raw file is not yet processed. If you like the look of portrait or landscape set your camera to that and your lcd jpeg preview will reflect that. You do not see a raw file on your lcd but see a jpeg. when you load your raw files on your computer if you watch you will see the image change colours etc. as it loads. You first see the jepeg preview and then the raw file come up with no processing. I hope this does not confuse you. Sometimes these things are hard to explain.

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Jan 25, 2013 13:31:46   #
jeep_daddy Loc: Prescott AZ
 
cruizer wrote:
So any and all settings that I adjust in camera will be reflected in the Raw file?


No! It will not. raw images have zero changes saved to the data part of the image. As stated above, some cameras do apply 'styles' to the raw image but usually only the proprietary software that came with your camera can use this information. For instance, my Canon cameras all came with a program called DPP (Digital Photo Professional) If I shoot in raw, and use my Vivid or Landscape "styles" while I capture the images, the DPP program 'will' apply these camera edits to the image while being viewed in DPP. These "styles" are not permanent and the image can be altered so that DPP will not use those "styles". Only the DPP program can see those "styles" because Canon has the rights to this proprietary software "and" even though Adobe and other software manufactures probably have the smarts to reverse engineer these proprietary embedded codes, it would take too long when their programs don't really need this since they are all about total adjustment and not preset adjustments.

Your Nikon camera probably has the same type of software with the same or similar capabilities.

That said, for some reason, if I use a color balance in my camera i.e. "tungsten" when I upload to LR4 or CS6 these messed up color balance settings will be seen at first. But with raw images, this can be adjusted without any adverse effects to the raw image data. But other "styles" are never reflected in my Adobe products when uploaded.

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Jan 25, 2013 13:32:01   #
cruizer Loc: Bucks Co., Pa. (USA)
 
Thanks. I do understand your explanation. What is bothering me is that I spent a lot for a camera which among other things, like glass quality etc, has numerous adjustments available. Since I'm generally only shooting raw, feels like I might have gotten by with less costly camera that did not include all of the adjustment capability, as long as it shot raw.

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Jan 25, 2013 13:36:34   #
jeep_daddy Loc: Prescott AZ
 
cruizer wrote:
Thanks. I do understand your explanation. What is bothering me is that I spent a lot for a camera which among other things, like glass quality etc, has numerous adjustments available. Since I'm generally only shooting raw, feels like I might have gotten by with less costly camera that did not include all of the adjustment capability, as long as it shot raw.


I understand this, but as with anything, when you buy a product that costs less, it will usually have fewer other bells and whistles. You could have purchased any camera that shoots in raw (they all do) but the most entry level camera may not have "bracketing" or "49 focus points" or "8 frames per second" etc. You aren't paying for picture styles, you are paying for all those other bells and whistles especially the full frame sensor that saves images at 36 megapixels.

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Jan 25, 2013 13:44:37   #
jeep_daddy Loc: Prescott AZ
 
I might add, picture styles are generally included with all cameras (at no charge) because many non professionals want them. This is not to say that professionals don't ever use picture styles. I'd bet that some professional sports photographers use them and shoot in jpg as well. I bet they don't use a preset "style" but instead they use or create a "custom style". They might do this because a sporting event may end late and they need to email small image files directly to the editor of the paper etc. to meet deadlines.

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Jan 25, 2013 15:59:15   #
HEART Loc: God's Country - COLORADO
 
cruizer wrote:
Thanks. I do understand your explanation. What is bothering me is that I spent a lot for a camera which among other things, like glass quality etc, has numerous adjustments available. Since I'm generally only shooting raw, feels like I might have gotten by with less costly camera that did not include all of the adjustment capability, as long as it shot raw.



With the ability to shoot both Raw & JPeg, and providing 2 bays for SD cards, you have the best of both worlds. I love the D7000 partly because of its versatility. With all of the features packed into the D7000, for the price, I'd enjoy what you've got.

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