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Jan 23, 2013 06:19:28   #
ASR666 Loc: Singapore
 
That's correct. It comes down to optics - this is the best article on the subject IMHO - there's an updated DXOMARK study in case anyone's interested ...

http://www.luminous-landscape.com/essays/dxomark_sensor_for_benchmarking_cameras2.shtml


rpavich wrote:
ASR666 wrote:
However, from all that I've read and used, FF quality remains far above any crop.



I don't know how "far" above they are but the reason that i bought a FF camera was the article by Ken Rockwell showing shots of the same subject and it's clear that there is far more detail in the FF shots of the same subject; until you see them side by side you may not really realize it.

http://www.kenrockwell.com/tech/full-frame-advantage.htm

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Jan 23, 2013 07:25:18   #
bull drink water Loc: pontiac mi.
 
it's still all about the money,if the the customers stood up and demanded an affordable ff camera,they would come out with one.

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Jan 23, 2013 07:44:06   #
jerryc41 Loc: Catskill Mts of NY
 
ole sarg wrote:
In film we wanted to work with a big negative. In short, a Haselbad or a Pentax 645 was a most desired camera. The reason being negative size.

Why doesn't the same hold true for sensor size. A FF vs a crop sensor. Why would one prefer a crop sensor over a FF sensor?

After all isn't it all about capturing data?

The DX began life because it was cheaper to build, and it is still selling today because it is cheaper to buy.

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Jan 23, 2013 08:57:58   #
profpb Loc: Venice, Florida
 
If I want "reach" I use my D7000 or D800e in crop mode. If I want capture data (resolution) I have that option with full-frame.

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Jan 23, 2013 12:18:36   #
ole sarg Loc: south florida
 
Looked at the Rockwell article and there is quite a difference in image quality.

I think should I go back to a dslr that i would go full frame. It seems that size does matter!

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Jan 23, 2013 12:28:41   #
OddJobber Loc: Portland, OR
 
Searcher wrote:
I'd jump hurlers ....


I always enjoy input from you guys across the pond. What the heck is jumping hurlers?

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Jan 23, 2013 12:51:54   #
Searcher Loc: Kent, England
 
OddJobber wrote:
Searcher wrote:
I'd jump hurlers ....


I always enjoy input from you guys across the pond. What the heck is jumping hurlers?


Its an English spelling error - should have read "hurdles" - sorry!

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Jan 23, 2013 13:33:53   #
wlgoode Loc: Globe, AZ
 
rpavich wrote:
ole sarg wrote:
In film we wanted to work with a big negative. In short, a Haselbad or a Pentax 645 was a most desired camera. The reason being negative size.

Why doesn't the same hold true for sensor size. A FF vs a crop sensor. Why would one prefer a crop sensor over a FF sensor?

After all isn't it all about capturing data?


It's still true. Larger sensors capture more detail and finer details.

I don't know why one would prefer a cropped sensor camera...but I KNOW that this is going to spark the "longer reach" debate...just wait and see :)
quote=ole sarg In film we wanted to work with a b... (show quote)


Check the prices and consider serious amateurs.

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Jan 23, 2013 14:50:22   #
R.G. Loc: Scotland
 
Searcher wrote:
I'd jump hurlers....


That's a mental image I don't want, thanks :) !

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Jan 23, 2013 15:24:37   #
OddJobber Loc: Portland, OR
 
Searcher wrote:
Its an English spelling error - should have read "hurdles" - sorry!


Got a great laugh from that. The only thing I could find with Google was the players on a hurling team, and certainly another mental image I didn't need! :oops: :-D

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Jan 23, 2013 17:55:58   #
MT Shooter Loc: Montana
 
I know that some of the comments I read on this site at times makes me want to hurl!
;-)

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Jan 23, 2013 20:20:34   #
bdo Loc: Colorado
 
Zero_Equals_Infinity wrote:
One tends to think of a crop sensor as offering an equivalent of a longer lens. What it really comes down to is pixel pitch / density. If a crop sensor, full frame and medium format camera all have the same pixel pitch, then the difference is solely one of the surface area of a sensor. (e.g. Nikon D7000 at 16MP, D800 at 36MP and Phase One IQ180 at 80MP all have the same pixel pitch.)

What the larger sensor offers is a larger capture for a lens of the same focal length, more detail (by changing lens) for a capture of the same composition with a shallower depth of field.
One tends to think of a crop sensor as offering an... (show quote)


I don't know about the Phase One IQ180 at 80MP, but the pixel pitch on the D800 is 4.8 microns vs. 4.4 on the D7000. Not a huge difference, but about 10% more density for the D7000.

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Jan 23, 2013 21:47:33   #
wlgoode Loc: Globe, AZ
 
MT Shooter wrote:
I know that some of the comments I read on this site at times makes me want to hurl!
;-)


MT have you been peeking at Chit-Chat again? :-)

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Jan 23, 2013 22:46:41   #
Elmosal Loc: Austin Tx
 
MT Shooter wrote:
I know that some of the comments I read on this site at times makes me want to hurl!
;-)

Shooter what I like about you is that you are honest & straight forward which in my amateur eyes is very helpful. I posted the picture of the black cow in the grass for people to ell me what I did wrong. You were very honest & I understood what you said & liked to 10 second pp you did to balance the color & sharpen. I'm out tomorrow to Try out my new 24-105 & will post pictures for your critique which will be very much appreciated.

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Jan 23, 2013 22:59:24   #
BHC Loc: Strawberry Valley, JF, USA
 
It's ruining the economy. If people had to carry my two F4S bodies, four to six lenses and associated gear around, we'd have more chiropractors, more of their office workers and less unemployment. We would all be in better condition. And look at all the film manufacturers, processors, and related industries and their employees. I tell you, this digital stuff is making us a nation of weaklings!

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