Gun lovers ever hear of the Dick Act?
Jan 7, 2013 20:06:17 #
Now get your heads out of the gutter and read.
Subject: The Dick Act, the Efficiency of Militia Bill H.R. 11654, of June 28, 1902
If you do not read the entire article, just read the last line.
Anyone hear of the DICK ACT of 1902?
DICK ACT of 1902... CAN'T BE REPEALED (GUN CONTROL FORBIDDEN) - Protection Against Tyrannical Government
The Trump Card Enacted by the Congress Further Asserting the Second Amendment as Untouchable The Dick Act of 1902 also known as the Efficiency of Militia Bill H.R. 11654, of June 28, 1902 invalidates all so-called gun-control laws. It also divides the militia into three distinct and separate entities.
The three classes H.R. 11654 provides for are the organized militia, henceforth known as the National Guard of the State, Territory and District of Columbia, the unorganized militia and the regular army. The militia encompasses every able-bodied male between the ages of 18 and 45. All members of the unorganized militia have the absolute personal right and 2nd Amendment right to keep and bear arms of any type, and as many as they can afford to buy.
The Dick Act of 1902 cannot be repealed; to do so would violate bills of attainder and ex post facto laws which would be yet another gross violation of the U.S. Constitution and the Bill of Rights. The President of the United States has zero authority without violating the Constitution to call the National Guard to serve outside of their State borders.
The National Guard Militia can only be required by the National Government for limited purposes specified in the Constitution (to uphold the laws of the Union; to suppress insurrection and repel invasion). These are the only purposes for which the General Government can call upon the National Guard.
Attorney General Wickersham advised President Taft, âthe Organized Militia (the National Guard) can not be employed for offensive warfare outside the limits of the United States. â
The Honorable William Gordon, in a speech to the House on Thursday, October 4, 1917, proved that the action of President Wilson inl that he felt Wilson ought to have been impeached.
During the war with England an attempt was made by Congress to pass a bill authorizing the president to draft 100,000 men between the ages of 18 and 45 to invade enemy territory, Canada. The bill was defeated in the House by Daniel Webster on the precise point that Congress had no such power over the militia as to authorize it to empower the President to draft them into the regular army and send them out of the country.
The fact is that the President has no constitutional right, under any circumstances, to draft men from the militia to fight outside the borders of the USA, and not even beyond the borders of their respective states. Today, we have a constitutional LAW which still stands in waiting for the legislators to obey the Constitution which they swore an oath to uphold.
Charles Hughes of the American Bar Association (ABA) made a speech which is contained in the Appendix to Congressional Record, House, September 10, 1917, pages 6836-6840 which states: âThe militia, within the meaning of these provisions of the Constitution is distinct from the Army of the United States.â In these pages we also find a statement made by Daniel Webster, âthat the great principle of the Constitution on that subject is that the militia is the militia of the States and of the General Government; and thus being the militia of the States, there is no part of the Constitution worded with greater care and with more scrupulous jealousy than that which grants and limits the power of Congress over it. â
âThis limitation upon the power to raise and support armies clearly establishes the intent and purpose of the framers of the Constitution to limit the power to raise and maintain a standing army to voluntary enlistment, because if the unlimited power to draft and conscript was intended to be conferred, it would have been a useless and puerile thing to limit the use of money for that purpose. Conscripted armies can be paid, but they are not required to be, and if it had been intended to confer the extraordinary power to draft the bodies of citizens and send them out of the country in direct conflict with the limitation upon the use of the militia imposed by the same section and article, certainly some restriction or limitation would have been imposed to restrain the unlimited use of such power. â
The Honorable William Gordon
More Info With over 300 Million guns in the United States, the federal CORPORATE government (federal gov't defined as corporation under 28 U.S.C. Section 3002 (15) and the states are subdivisions of the corporation, 28 U.S.C. Section 3002 (10), cannot ban arms or stop people from defending themselves against a tyrannical government. I read somewhere that just the State of North Carolina can call up 20-30 divisions of unorganized militia (would be about 200,000-300,000 armed North Carolinians) on a moment's notice. Imagine the State of Texas or Oklahoma if that's the case?
Amazingly, even if the US tries to ban all arms through backdoor measures like domestic violence laws (Violence Against Women Act, 18 U.S.C. Section 922 (g)) or through an unconstitutional U.N. declaration adopted by our current Marxist unconstitutional Congress, no treaty can supercede the Constitution:
"This [Supreme] Court has regularly and uniformly recognized the supremacy of the Constitution over a treaty." - Reid v. Covert, October 1956, 354 U.S. 1, at pg 17. This case involved the question: Does the NATO Status of Forces Agreement (treaty) supersede the U.S. Constitution? Keep reading. The Reid Court (U.S. Supreme Court) held in their Opinion that,
"... No agreement with a foreign nation can confer power on the Congress, or any other branch of government, which is free from the restraints of the Constitution. Article VI, the Supremacy clause of the Constitution declares, "This Constitution and the Laws of the United States which shall be made in pursuance thereof; and all the Treaties made, or which shall be made, under the Authority of the United States, shall be the supreme law of the land...â
"There is nothing in this language which intimates that treaties and laws enacted pursuant to them do not have to comply with the provisions of the Constitution nor is there anything in the debates which accompanied the drafting and ratification which even suggest such a result...
"It would be manifestly contrary to the objectives of those who created the Constitution, as well as those who were responsible for the Bill of Rights let alone alien to our entire constitutional hiistory and tradition to construe Article VI as permitting the Unitted States to exercise power UNDER an international agreement, without observing constitutional prohibitions. (See: Elliotâs Debates 1836 ed. pgs 500-519).
"In effect, such construction would permit amenddment of that document in a manner not sanctioned by Article V. The prohibitions of the Constitution were designed to apply to all branches of the National Government and they cannot be nullified by the Executive or by the Executive and Senate combined."
Did you understand what the Supreme Court said here? No Executive Order, Presidential Directive, Executive Agreement, no NAFTA, GATT/WTO agreement/treaty, passed by ANYONE, can supersede the Constitution. FACT. No question!
At this point the Court paused to quote from another of their Opinions; Geofroy v. Riggs, 133 U.S. 258 at pg. 267 where the Court held at that time that,
"The treaty power as expressed in the Constitution, is in terms unlimited except by those restraints which are found in that instrument against the action of the government or of its departments and those arising from the nature of the government itself and of that of the States. It would not be contended that it extends so far as to authorize what the Constitution forbids, or a change in the character of the government, or a change in the character of the States, or a cession of any portion of the territory of the latter without its consent." Assessing the GATT/WTO parasitic organism in light of this part of the Opinion, we see that it cannot attach itself to its host (our Republic or States) in the fashion the traitors in our government wish, without our acquiescing to it.
The Reid Court continues with its Opinion:
"This Court has also repeatedly taken the position that an Act of Congress, which MUST comply with the Constitution, is on full parity with a treaty, the statute to the extent of conflict, renders the treaty null. It would be completely anomalous to say that a treaty need not comply with the Constitution when such an agreement can be overridden by a statute that must conform to that instrument."
The U.S. Supreme court could not have made it more clear : TREATIES DO NOT OVERRIDE THE CONSTITUTION, AND CANNOT, IN ANY FASHION, AMEND IT !!! CASE CLOSED.
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Subject: The Dick Act, the Efficiency of Militia Bill H.R. 11654, of June 28, 1902
If you do not read the entire article, just read the last line.
Anyone hear of the DICK ACT of 1902?
DICK ACT of 1902... CAN'T BE REPEALED (GUN CONTROL FORBIDDEN) - Protection Against Tyrannical Government
The Trump Card Enacted by the Congress Further Asserting the Second Amendment as Untouchable The Dick Act of 1902 also known as the Efficiency of Militia Bill H.R. 11654, of June 28, 1902 invalidates all so-called gun-control laws. It also divides the militia into three distinct and separate entities.
The three classes H.R. 11654 provides for are the organized militia, henceforth known as the National Guard of the State, Territory and District of Columbia, the unorganized militia and the regular army. The militia encompasses every able-bodied male between the ages of 18 and 45. All members of the unorganized militia have the absolute personal right and 2nd Amendment right to keep and bear arms of any type, and as many as they can afford to buy.
The Dick Act of 1902 cannot be repealed; to do so would violate bills of attainder and ex post facto laws which would be yet another gross violation of the U.S. Constitution and the Bill of Rights. The President of the United States has zero authority without violating the Constitution to call the National Guard to serve outside of their State borders.
The National Guard Militia can only be required by the National Government for limited purposes specified in the Constitution (to uphold the laws of the Union; to suppress insurrection and repel invasion). These are the only purposes for which the General Government can call upon the National Guard.
Attorney General Wickersham advised President Taft, âthe Organized Militia (the National Guard) can not be employed for offensive warfare outside the limits of the United States. â
The Honorable William Gordon, in a speech to the House on Thursday, October 4, 1917, proved that the action of President Wilson inl that he felt Wilson ought to have been impeached.
During the war with England an attempt was made by Congress to pass a bill authorizing the president to draft 100,000 men between the ages of 18 and 45 to invade enemy territory, Canada. The bill was defeated in the House by Daniel Webster on the precise point that Congress had no such power over the militia as to authorize it to empower the President to draft them into the regular army and send them out of the country.
The fact is that the President has no constitutional right, under any circumstances, to draft men from the militia to fight outside the borders of the USA, and not even beyond the borders of their respective states. Today, we have a constitutional LAW which still stands in waiting for the legislators to obey the Constitution which they swore an oath to uphold.
Charles Hughes of the American Bar Association (ABA) made a speech which is contained in the Appendix to Congressional Record, House, September 10, 1917, pages 6836-6840 which states: âThe militia, within the meaning of these provisions of the Constitution is distinct from the Army of the United States.â In these pages we also find a statement made by Daniel Webster, âthat the great principle of the Constitution on that subject is that the militia is the militia of the States and of the General Government; and thus being the militia of the States, there is no part of the Constitution worded with greater care and with more scrupulous jealousy than that which grants and limits the power of Congress over it. â
âThis limitation upon the power to raise and support armies clearly establishes the intent and purpose of the framers of the Constitution to limit the power to raise and maintain a standing army to voluntary enlistment, because if the unlimited power to draft and conscript was intended to be conferred, it would have been a useless and puerile thing to limit the use of money for that purpose. Conscripted armies can be paid, but they are not required to be, and if it had been intended to confer the extraordinary power to draft the bodies of citizens and send them out of the country in direct conflict with the limitation upon the use of the militia imposed by the same section and article, certainly some restriction or limitation would have been imposed to restrain the unlimited use of such power. â
The Honorable William Gordon
More Info With over 300 Million guns in the United States, the federal CORPORATE government (federal gov't defined as corporation under 28 U.S.C. Section 3002 (15) and the states are subdivisions of the corporation, 28 U.S.C. Section 3002 (10), cannot ban arms or stop people from defending themselves against a tyrannical government. I read somewhere that just the State of North Carolina can call up 20-30 divisions of unorganized militia (would be about 200,000-300,000 armed North Carolinians) on a moment's notice. Imagine the State of Texas or Oklahoma if that's the case?
Amazingly, even if the US tries to ban all arms through backdoor measures like domestic violence laws (Violence Against Women Act, 18 U.S.C. Section 922 (g)) or through an unconstitutional U.N. declaration adopted by our current Marxist unconstitutional Congress, no treaty can supercede the Constitution:
"This [Supreme] Court has regularly and uniformly recognized the supremacy of the Constitution over a treaty." - Reid v. Covert, October 1956, 354 U.S. 1, at pg 17. This case involved the question: Does the NATO Status of Forces Agreement (treaty) supersede the U.S. Constitution? Keep reading. The Reid Court (U.S. Supreme Court) held in their Opinion that,
"... No agreement with a foreign nation can confer power on the Congress, or any other branch of government, which is free from the restraints of the Constitution. Article VI, the Supremacy clause of the Constitution declares, "This Constitution and the Laws of the United States which shall be made in pursuance thereof; and all the Treaties made, or which shall be made, under the Authority of the United States, shall be the supreme law of the land...â
"There is nothing in this language which intimates that treaties and laws enacted pursuant to them do not have to comply with the provisions of the Constitution nor is there anything in the debates which accompanied the drafting and ratification which even suggest such a result...
"It would be manifestly contrary to the objectives of those who created the Constitution, as well as those who were responsible for the Bill of Rights let alone alien to our entire constitutional hiistory and tradition to construe Article VI as permitting the Unitted States to exercise power UNDER an international agreement, without observing constitutional prohibitions. (See: Elliotâs Debates 1836 ed. pgs 500-519).
"In effect, such construction would permit amenddment of that document in a manner not sanctioned by Article V. The prohibitions of the Constitution were designed to apply to all branches of the National Government and they cannot be nullified by the Executive or by the Executive and Senate combined."
Did you understand what the Supreme Court said here? No Executive Order, Presidential Directive, Executive Agreement, no NAFTA, GATT/WTO agreement/treaty, passed by ANYONE, can supersede the Constitution. FACT. No question!
At this point the Court paused to quote from another of their Opinions; Geofroy v. Riggs, 133 U.S. 258 at pg. 267 where the Court held at that time that,
"The treaty power as expressed in the Constitution, is in terms unlimited except by those restraints which are found in that instrument against the action of the government or of its departments and those arising from the nature of the government itself and of that of the States. It would not be contended that it extends so far as to authorize what the Constitution forbids, or a change in the character of the government, or a change in the character of the States, or a cession of any portion of the territory of the latter without its consent." Assessing the GATT/WTO parasitic organism in light of this part of the Opinion, we see that it cannot attach itself to its host (our Republic or States) in the fashion the traitors in our government wish, without our acquiescing to it.
The Reid Court continues with its Opinion:
"This Court has also repeatedly taken the position that an Act of Congress, which MUST comply with the Constitution, is on full parity with a treaty, the statute to the extent of conflict, renders the treaty null. It would be completely anomalous to say that a treaty need not comply with the Constitution when such an agreement can be overridden by a statute that must conform to that instrument."
The U.S. Supreme court could not have made it more clear : TREATIES DO NOT OVERRIDE THE CONSTITUTION, AND CANNOT, IN ANY FASHION, AMEND IT !!! CASE CLOSED.
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Jan 7, 2013 20:10:39 #
lighthouse
Loc: No Fixed Abode
See the heading at the top of the page Huey Driver.
It says MAIN PHOTOGRAPHY DISCUSSION.
There are different pages for having a rant.
It says MAIN PHOTOGRAPHY DISCUSSION.
There are different pages for having a rant.
Jan 7, 2013 20:43:49 #
Jan 7, 2013 21:28:00 #
Good post, but should belong in general chit-chat. No biggie...admins will see it and move. No...never heard of it before, but thanks for the post. And I wouldn't call it a rant...I call it informative. A well informed public is a knowledgable public. btw...mistakes do happen.
Jan 7, 2013 22:01:18 #
I was in the retail firearms business for 15 years, and I never heard a single reference to The Dick Act. I'm really glad you posted this, Huey Driver, regardless of which section it's in!
Thanks!
Thanks!
Jan 7, 2013 23:04:08 #
Jan 7, 2013 23:30:54 #
Jan 8, 2013 06:50:06 #
thanks to you huey, the first sensible reply since reading all the chitchat on rights and no rights. i grew up with and respecting guns my whole life and my son if ever he does decide to does not want to carry but will not go against the 2nd amendment rights, and does believe in the constitution. but i'm sure the gov. will find a way around what this truly means.
Jan 8, 2013 08:18:39 #
lighthouse wrote:
See the heading at the top of the page Huey Driver.
It says MAIN PHOTOGRAPHY DISCUSSION.
There are different pages for having a rant.
It says MAIN PHOTOGRAPHY DISCUSSION.
There are different pages for having a rant.
Nicely done Huey Driver. Btw thank you for your service
Blake
Jan 8, 2013 08:37:00 #
There is no law that is not repealable. The law has been changed several times and the latest law is here:
http://uscode.house.gov/uscode-cgi/fastweb.exe?getdoc+uscview+t09t12+189+45++%28Efficiency
http://uscode.house.gov/uscode-cgi/fastweb.exe?getdoc+uscview+t09t12+189+45++%28Efficiency
Jan 8, 2013 08:50:06 #
thegrover wrote:
There is no law that is not repealable. The law has been changed several times and the latest law is here:
http://uscode.house.gov/uscode-cgi/fastweb.exe?getdoc+uscview+t09t12+189+45++%28Efficiency
http://uscode.house.gov/uscode-cgi/fastweb.exe?getdoc+uscview+t09t12+189+45++%28Efficiency
I don't see anything that repeals the act. Your reference simply clarifies the wording of some sections. This would make it an admendment not a repeal.
Jan 8, 2013 09:06:36 #
ted45 wrote:
I don't see anything that repeals the act. Your reference simply clarifies the wording of some sections. This would make it an amendment not a repeal.
thegrover wrote:
There is no law that is not repealable. The law has been changed several times and the latest law is here:
http://uscode.house.gov/uscode-cgi/fastweb.exe?getdoc+uscview+t09t12+189+45++%28Efficiency
http://uscode.house.gov/uscode-cgi/fastweb.exe?getdoc+uscview+t09t12+189+45++%28Efficiency
I don't see anything that repeals the act. Your reference simply clarifies the wording of some sections. This would make it an amendment not a repeal.
Yes you are right, and I did not say it was repealed. It has been amended. I said no law cannot be repealed.
Jan 8, 2013 09:16:14 #
Jan 8, 2013 10:38:01 #
Twardlow
Loc: Arkansas
Huey Driver wrote:
Now get your heads out of the gutter and read. br ... (show quote)
No one believes treaties can over-ride the constitution, nor amend it.
Where are you coming from?
Jan 8, 2013 10:48:41 #
ole sarg
Loc: south florida
If what you say is so, then why can't you own a machine gun?
Then how do you explain the Sullivan Act. The Dick Act is basically null and void.
This is another canard of the gun lobby and the gun nuts - most of whom are also chicken hawks.
Then how do you explain the Sullivan Act. The Dick Act is basically null and void.
This is another canard of the gun lobby and the gun nuts - most of whom are also chicken hawks.
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