and more on gun control: http://www.cbsnews.com/8301-201_162-57559506/shots-fired-patrons-panic-at-san-antonio-theater/ So what if guns had been banned? Do you really think the gunman...

crazy4thread Loc: Minnesota

http://www.cbsnews.com/8301-201_162-57559506/shots-fired-patrons-panic-at-san-antonio-theater/

So what if guns had been banned? Do you really think the gunman going after people in the restaurant and then the theatre would have been stopped before killing anyone? I be all those people in the theatre were glad to see that a "good guy" had a gun....

Hmmm, wonder why this wasn't plastered all over the tv?

Danilo Loc: Las Vegas

Perhaps, had there been 4 perpetrators running from the restaurant into the theater shot by a concealed-weapon-permit-holder it would have gotten a couple more lines in the paper, or 10 seconds on the TV.

jimbo70 Loc: Orange Park, FL.

The media does not want to cover this as it doesn't fit their agenda.

Crwiwy Loc: Devon UK

Danilo wrote:

Perhaps, had there been 4 perpetrators running from the restaurant into the theater shot by a concealed-weapon-permit-holder it would have gotten a couple more lines in the paper, or 10 seconds on the TV.

It would have had much more exposure had 'a concealed-weapon-permit-holder' shot some people running from the restaurant in fear in mistake for the perpetrators!

Professional soldiers are supposedly trained to quickly spot who are innocent bystanders before they shoot - are the police trained the same way? I am sure the civilian 'concealed-weapon-permit-holder' are not.

Brian46 Loc: Standish,Maine

jimbo70 wrote:

The media does not want to cover this as it doesn't fit their agenda.

:thumbup: :thumbup:

frankeieio Loc: Bend, Oregon

The good guy here being an off duty sheriff. Which is typically the case where armed confrontation stops a shooting crime. An
armed off duty police officer in the wrong place at the right time.

crazy4thread wrote:

http://www.cbsnews.com/8301-201_162-57559506/shots-fired-patrons-panic-at-san-antonio-theater/

So what if guns had been banned? Do you really think the gunman going after people in the restaurant and then the theatre would have been stopped before killing anyone? I be all those people in the theatre were glad to see that a "good guy" had a gun....

Hmmm, wonder why this wasn't plastered all over the tv?

Radioman Loc: Ontario Canada

Professional soldiers are supposedly trained to quickly spot who are innocent bystanders before they shoot -
are the police trained the same way? I am sure the civilian 'concealed-weapon-permit-holder' are not.[/quote]

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How much training does it take to spot those who are shooting unarmed bystanders??

frankeieio Loc: Bend, Oregon

It is interesting you mention that Crwiwy. In the recent mall shooting in Portland, Or. An ordinary citizen, a shopper with a concealed carry permit, had pulled his gun and drawn a bead on the shooter, when the shooter's gun jammed. The concealed carry guy however, concerned that his position potentially placed other shoppers in his line of fire, put away his gun away and then stepped into a nearby store to hide with other shoppers. The shooter, after getting his stolen assault rifle unjammed walked to a nearby hall way and shot himself. Gun advocates have seized on the concealed carry guy's actions as somehow proof that merely showing up with a gun stops these things. I don't know. An off duty police officer, or any type of security person trained to tactically confront this type of situation may have done a little more than pull their gun out and then hide. If the shooter had gone on to shoot other people after the concealed carry guy had put his pistol away, I wonder what the conversation would be today.

Crwiwy wrote:

quote=Danilo Perhaps, had there been 4 perpetrato... (show quote)

cameraniac Loc: Huntingburg, Indiana

frankeieio wrote:

The concealed carry guy however, concerned that his position potentially placed other shoppers in his line of fire, put away his gun away and then stepped into a nearby store to hide with other shoppers.

I've contemplated what I should do were I to be caught in that scenario and decided that the best thing to do would be to drop to one knee before shooting.

SR71BLACKBIRD

[quote=Crwiwy]

Danilo wrote:

Professional soldiers are supposedly trained to quickly spot who are innocent bystanders before they shoot - are the police trained the same way? I am sure the civilian 'concealed-weapon-permit-holder' are not.
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Trained??? You got to be kidding right? Basically you are trained if the other guy has a weapon, and not part of your group, you shoot.

As far as the concealed weapons permit carrier that pulled and had the situational awareness to check his surroundings for bystanders, I applaud his decision, however he had the responsibility to disarm the perp instead of going off to hid.

Gnslngr

crazy4thread wrote:

Hmmm, wonder why this wasn't plastered all over the tv?

Hmmm.... cop shoots bad guy.....hmmm...

And why isn't the fact that a dog bit a guy down the block on the tv? Must be a conspiracy! :lol: :lol: :lol:

imntrt1 Loc: St. Louis

Crwiwy wrote:

quote=Danilo Perhaps, had there been 4 perpetrato... (show quote)

The police are trained in that...via a computer based instructional program that is cheap enough to implement it could be put into civilian Concealed training. I've had the training and it works. In the shooting situations I have been placed in, I always made the correct decision on shoot or don't shoot, thank God. We also had a program called Simunitions that used modified handguns that shot a "bullet" that was really a soap like substance, which would show where you hit potential targets or people in roll playing type training. You wear protective head gear and the bullets sting when you get hit by them, but the training is extremely effective.

Frank T Loc: New York, NY

And in this story lies the difference between a trained police officer and a civilian with a gun.
Here was a trained officer who did what he was trained to do and was successful. Do you think that a civilian with a gun who got his carry permit by firing six rounds down range would have come up on top?
I doubt it.

imntrt1 Loc: St. Louis

Frank T wrote:

And in this story lies the difference between a trained police officer and a civilian with a gun.
Here was a trained officer who did what he was trained to do and was successful. Do you think that a civilian with a gun who got his carry permit by firing six rounds down range would have come up on top?
I doubt it.

The purpose of my post was to show that we have the where-with-all to do the correct training, and should expect nothing less. The only short comings I can see is giving bad guys a view of the training which would allow them to respond tactically.

Crwiwy Loc: Devon UK

[quote=SR71BLACKBIRD]

Crwiwy wrote:

quote=Danilo br br Professional soldiers are su... (show quote)

Presumably - as anyone not immediately known to you is 'not part of your group' and so is fair game? :?

An elderly army chap was out hunting when he came across a gorgeous female swimming naked in a pond.

'Are you game?' he asked.

'Yes I am' replied the naked female

- so he shot her!