imntrt1 wrote:
mdorn wrote:
imntrt1 wrote:
Microsoft.....The Operating System version of the U.S. Government
LOL... Not sure if I should laugh or cry. :cry:
Depends...On if you own a PC or a MAC?
Why would that matter? I suspect the government is still using win 95.
mdorn wrote:
imntrt1 wrote:
mdorn wrote:
imntrt1 wrote:
Microsoft.....The Operating System version of the U.S. Government
LOL... Not sure if I should laugh or cry. :cry:
Depends...On if you own a PC or a MAC?
Why would that matter? I suspect the government is still using win 95.
I worked in a Computer Forensics Lab for over four years and we had to have the latest versions of Windows to keep on top of our investigations. I learned to HATE Windows of all versions, some worse than others. Microsoft never made our investigations any simpler, nor were they overly cooperative. When I first got into computers in 1989 I always had to have the latest versions of Windows and looked forward to each new release. But they seemed to get worse and worse as the versions progressed.
imntrt1 wrote:
I worked in a Computer Forensics Lab for over four years and we had to have the latest versions of Windows to keep on top of our investigations. I learned to HATE Windows of all versions, some worse than others. Microsoft never made our investigations any simpler, nor were they overly cooperative. When I first got into computers in 1989 I always had to have the latest versions of Windows and looked forward to each new release. But they seemed to get worse and worse as the versions progressed.
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It sounds like Windows kept you gainfully employed for at least 4 years... Do you really think Win 7 is worse than Vista? I get what you are saying and I share your frustration to a point, but love them or hate them, Microsoft created a lot of different businesses and markets. Gosh, if Microsoft wasn't there to make fun of, the Apple ads would be a lot more boring. :-) Remember the I'm a PC, I'm a Mac commercials? Loved those.
mdorn wrote:
imntrt1 wrote:
I worked in a Computer Forensics Lab for over four years and we had to have the latest versions of Windows to keep on top of our investigations. I learned to HATE Windows of all versions, some worse than others. Microsoft never made our investigations any simpler, nor were they overly cooperative. When I first got into computers in 1989 I always had to have the latest versions of Windows and looked forward to each new release. But they seemed to get worse and worse as the versions progressed.
I worked in a Computer Forensics Lab for over four... (
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It sounds like Windows kept you gainfully employed for at least 4 years... Do you really think Win 7 is worse than Vista? I get what you are saying and I share your frustration to a point, but love them or hate them, Microsoft created a lot of different businesses and markets. Gosh, if Microsoft wasn't there to make fun of, the Apple ads would be a lot more boring. :-) Remember the I'm a PC, I'm a Mac commercials? Loved those.
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It wasn't Windows that kept us gainfully employed....It was all the computer crime...Windows just slowed the investigation processes. I never said I thought Windows 7 was worse than Vista, but each version had its own bugs and glitches/security shortcomings. What always amazed me is the fact that Windows always had security breach problems in each version. You would think that MS would make it a priority to have that fixed before they released a new version.
imntrt1 wrote:
mdorn wrote:
imntrt1 wrote:
I worked in a Computer Forensics Lab for over four years and we had to have the latest versions of Windows to keep on top of our investigations. I learned to HATE Windows of all versions, some worse than others. Microsoft never made our investigations any simpler, nor were they overly cooperative. When I first got into computers in 1989 I always had to have the latest versions of Windows and looked forward to each new release. But they seemed to get worse and worse as the versions progressed.
I worked in a Computer Forensics Lab for over four... (
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It sounds like Windows kept you gainfully employed for at least 4 years... Do you really think Win 7 is worse than Vista? I get what you are saying and I share your frustration to a point, but love them or hate them, Microsoft created a lot of different businesses and markets. Gosh, if Microsoft wasn't there to make fun of, the Apple ads would be a lot more boring. :-) Remember the I'm a PC, I'm a Mac commercials? Loved those.
quote=imntrt1 I worked in a Computer Forensics La... (
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It wasn't Windows that kept us gainfully employed....It was all the computer crime...Windows just slowed the investigation processes. I never said I thought Windows 7 was worse than Vista, but each version had its own bugs and glitches/security shortcomings. What always amazed me is the fact that Windows always had security breach problems in each version. You would think that MS would make it a priority to have that fixed before they released a new version.
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Sorry, I misunderstood... you said "they seemed to get worse and worse as the versions progressed". Vista came before 7, but I think 7 is miles better than Vista.
Regardless, Vista was actually supposed to be MS's answer to previously vulnerable OSs. With Vista, MS added a two way firewall and included a built-in anti-spyware feature. They also made it very difficult to install legitimate applications---asking for your permission at every click of the mouse. It was terribly annoying. In fact, the OS was so frustrating that many users went out of their way to disable all this protection crap. This opened up many holes. Needless to say, Vista was a disaster for the user, but it helped MS learn A LOT about security. Windows 7 was born, and I have never had an issue with viruses or spyware. Of course, the user got a lot more savvy about identifying potential threats, so I'm not sure if we are smarter or Win 7 is better at defending itself. I believe a little of both.
mdorn wrote:
imntrt1 wrote:
mdorn wrote:
imntrt1 wrote:
I worked in a Computer Forensics Lab for over four years and we had to have the latest versions of Windows to keep on top of our investigations. I learned to HATE Windows of all versions, some worse than others. Microsoft never made our investigations any simpler, nor were they overly cooperative. When I first got into computers in 1989 I always had to have the latest versions of Windows and looked forward to each new release. But they seemed to get worse and worse as the versions progressed.
I worked in a Computer Forensics Lab for over four... (
show quote)
It sounds like Windows kept you gainfully employed for at least 4 years... Do you really think Win 7 is worse than Vista? I get what you are saying and I share your frustration to a point, but love them or hate them, Microsoft created a lot of different businesses and markets. Gosh, if Microsoft wasn't there to make fun of, the Apple ads would be a lot more boring. :-) Remember the I'm a PC, I'm a Mac commercials? Loved those.
quote=imntrt1 I worked in a Computer Forensics La... (
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It wasn't Windows that kept us gainfully employed....It was all the computer crime...Windows just slowed the investigation processes. I never said I thought Windows 7 was worse than Vista, but each version had its own bugs and glitches/security shortcomings. What always amazed me is the fact that Windows always had security breach problems in each version. You would think that MS would make it a priority to have that fixed before they released a new version.
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Sorry, I misunderstood... you said "they seemed to get worse and worse as the versions progressed". Vista came before 7, but I think 7 is miles better than Vista.
Regardless, Vista was actually supposed to be MS's answer to previously vulnerable OSs. With Vista, MS added a two way firewall and included a built-in anti-spyware feature. They also made it very difficult to install legitimate applications---asking for your permission at every click of the mouse. It was terribly annoying. In fact, the OS was so frustrating that many users went out of their way to disable all this protection crap. This opened up many holes. Needless to say, Vista was a disaster for the user, but it helped MS learn A LOT about security. Windows 7 was born, and I have never had an issue with viruses or spyware. Of course, the user got a lot more savvy about identifying potential threats, so I'm not sure if we are smarter or Win 7 is better at defending itself. I believe a little of both.
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I agree with you in your last Sentence...and actually most of what you say. I used to watch our gurus put our systems together and marvel at their expertise. We had a system in our lab that was Windows based for the most part and was actually an almost identical system to that of the CIA, up to and including our massive storage capability. We had, at last count, 22 Terabytes of Storage space and were on the way to what I am sure is now 30 TB. With home systems now often having TB sized systems we were finding that the bad guys often had that or more - When we made a case on someone we had to make a mirror image of their stuff and keep it on file until all the court process was competed, up to and including any possible appeals. We were averaging over 20 new cases a month when I retired four years ago and it has grown substantially since then. We not only acted complaints we were proactive and went looking for problems out in Cyber Space. I was looking at a victim's online chat site one time, with her permission, and up popped the suspect wanting to chat with "her" He even asked, "How do I know this is really you?" I had to throw him a bone that only she and he would know and succeeded to his satisfaction. We used software that fooled Windows and did not allow it to write to itself while we were looking at files during our Forensic viewing. We wanted to do away with any possible defense claims that we put criminal files in the system or altered files to incriminate the suspects. MS would, on occasion, respond to queries but were very reluctant to help us.
So all this rambling is to say that I am not a big Bill Gates fan, and have not been for years. But then I'm sure you already knew that.
imntrt1 wrote:
I agree with you in your last Sentence...and actually most of what you say. I used to watch our gurus put our systems together and marvel at their expertise. We had a system in our lab that was Windows based for the most part and was actually an almost identical system to that of the CIA, up to and including our massive storage capability. We had, at last count, 22 Terabytes of Storage space and were on the way to what I am sure is now 30 TB. With home systems now often having TB sized systems we were finding that the bad guys often had that or more - When we made a case on someone we had to make a mirror image of their stuff and keep it on file until all the court process was competed, up to and including any possible appeals. We were averaging over 20 new cases a month when I retired four years ago and it has grown substantially since then. We not only acted complaints we were proactive and went looking for problems out in Cyber Space. I was looking at a victim's online chat site one time, with her permission, and up popped the suspect wanting to chat with "her" He even asked, "How do I know this is really you?" I had to throw him a bone that only she and he would know and succeeded to his satisfaction. We used software that fooled Windows and did not allow it to write to itself while we were looking at files during our Forensic viewing. We wanted to do away with any possible defense claims that we put criminal files in the system or altered files to incriminate the suspects. MS would, on occasion, respond to queries but were very reluctant to help us.
So all this rambling is to say that I am not a big Bill Gates fan, and have not been for years. But then I'm sure you already knew that.
I agree with you in your last Sentence...and actua... (
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Interesting work... I can see how MS would only interfere with your efforts. I'm sorry. I suspect that Apple was more cooperative? Despite the fact that I use MS products (more out of necessity than anything else), I am not a huge Bill Gates fan either. Although, compared to Steve Jobs he is a saint. However, keep in mind that Bill Gates hasn't been running the company for some time now. Windows 7 is one of their best OSs, and if Win 8 is built on this, then there is hope that Win 8 will eventually become as successful. It sounds like it works very well for many who posted here. My experience with it has been mixed. I see the speed improvement with the boot process, but that's where the benefits end on the tests I've made. Perhaps for those buying a new system with better hardware, the update isn't so bad. However, if you are upgrading from Win 7 and you leave all your 2 or 4 year old hardware alone, then I'm not convinced it's a win-win. Of course, the Surface devices are a bit different (i.e. how this thread started). Thanks for sharing your experience with Computer Forensics. Sounds like interesting work to be sure.
mdorn wrote:
imntrt1 wrote:
I agree with you in your last Sentence...and actually most of what you say. I used to watch our gurus put our systems together and marvel at their expertise. We had a system in our lab that was Windows based for the most part and was actually an almost identical system to that of the CIA, up to and including our massive storage capability. We had, at last count, 22 Terabytes of Storage space and were on the way to what I am sure is now 30 TB. With home systems now often having TB sized systems we were finding that the bad guys often had that or more - When we made a case on someone we had to make a mirror image of their stuff and keep it on file until all the court process was competed, up to and including any possible appeals. We were averaging over 20 new cases a month when I retired four years ago and it has grown substantially since then. We not only acted complaints we were proactive and went looking for problems out in Cyber Space. I was looking at a victim's online chat site one time, with her permission, and up popped the suspect wanting to chat with "her" He even asked, "How do I know this is really you?" I had to throw him a bone that only she and he would know and succeeded to his satisfaction. We used software that fooled Windows and did not allow it to write to itself while we were looking at files during our Forensic viewing. We wanted to do away with any possible defense claims that we put criminal files in the system or altered files to incriminate the suspects. MS would, on occasion, respond to queries but were very reluctant to help us.
So all this rambling is to say that I am not a big Bill Gates fan, and have not been for years. But then I'm sure you already knew that.
I agree with you in your last Sentence...and actua... (
show quote)
Interesting work... I can see how MS would only interfere with your efforts. I'm sorry. I suspect that Apple was more cooperative? Despite the fact that I use MS products (more out of necessity than anything else), I am not a huge Bill Gates fan either. Although, compared to Steve Jobs he is a saint. However, keep in mind that Bill Gates hasn't been running the company for some time now. Windows 7 is one of their best OSs, and if Win 8 is built on this, then there is hope that Win 8 will eventually become as successful. It sounds like it works very well for many who posted here. My experience with it has been mixed. I see the speed improvement with the boot process, but that's where the benefits end on the tests I've made. Perhaps for those buying a new system with better hardware, the update isn't so bad. However, if you are upgrading from Win 7 and you leave all your 2 or 4 year old hardware alone, then I'm not convinced it's a win-win. Of course, the Surface devices are a bit different (i.e. how this thread started). Thanks for sharing your experience with Computer Forensics. Sounds like interesting work to be sure.
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After finally going to a MacBook and taking the plunge to Apple I just found that I like their system better. They do a few common sense things like having the up and down arrows on the scroll bar at the same place....little things make me happy I guess.
Yes the computer forensics was at time interesting and at times very much drudgery. I remember many times starting the forensic software on a Friday and it would run all weekend doing a search for whatever you put in the search string - especially on larger systems. Monday morning I would take a look at what was waiting for me and many times found over 750,000 files waiting for me to review. I had to review each and every one of them to determine if they would be useful as evidence. One week I got stuck reviewing hundreds of VHS Tapes to see if there was any Child Porn on them after seizing them in a search warrant. For one solid week I had three monitors running in fast forward, in front of me, looking for child porn. It is no wonder i lost all my hair.
go and download classic shells it will give you a windows 7 type start menu
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