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Dec 22, 2012 08:19:48   #
mindlessgeo Loc: Orlando, FL
 
JC56 wrote:
Welcome to the bif addiction..... that's some very good advice from some folks that know their stuff.I love bif but I'm not worth a crap but here are a couple of things that i have learned about birding photos.
1. you can never have enough reach.....a birder could mount the huble telescope on a 50,000 MP/ full frame 10,000 fps lieca camera...and still have have some nits (photo speak for negative)
2. You will never get the perfect photo...but it's fun getting sunburned and frost bit trying.
3. your butt is in trouble...there is no twelve step program for bif addiction.
4. have fun and keep on shooting ( i've been photographing bifs for four years.......... and those natty geo snobs haven't called yet)
5. Merry Christmas and don't get discouraged. (sp)
Welcome to the bif addiction..... that's some very... (show quote)


Gotta love this response! So true!

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Dec 22, 2012 08:45:39   #
wteffey Loc: Ocala, FL USA
 
Don't know how many shots you took that day, but my experience with birds in flight is that 1 in 10 shots might be a keeper. Just too many variables. If this is the only shot you took you did well.

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Dec 22, 2012 10:07:06   #
JTC Loc: Franklin, TN
 
MT Shooter wrote:
I have to agree with PalePictures for the most part, I like F8 to F11 for BOF pics, looks like a clear sky so ISO200 may have been adequate.
What I am seeing though, with the patterning in the sky, is reminiscent of using a UV filter. Did you have a filter on the lens? I have never used DX lenses mysolf, and have always been a strong advocate against their use, so maybe the lens just isn't up to the task, but overall its not a bad shot. I see you shot it in shutter priority so your main goal had to be the stopping of wing motion and the camera selected the F13, not you. Also, I usually suggest that people do not use their zooms hard up against the long end, backing the lens off to 180 or 190mm will sometimes result in an increase in sharpness for that lens, its all something that everyone needs to experiment with as all lenses are a bit different.
Good luck.
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Thanks, MTShooter - I'll take your advice and knock down from the long end of this lens and try f8 or so and reduce the ISO if the day is bright, as this was. And no, there was no filter of any sort on the lens - I make it a point to never shoot with a filter unless a ND or CP is required.

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Dec 22, 2012 10:08:34   #
JTC Loc: Franklin, TN
 
MtnMan wrote:
Jtceec wrote:
Hello, all -- I've just begun trying to learn BIF photography and need some thoughts from those more experienced. My shot are OK, but not tack sharp, as the attached picture will show. I'm not sure exactly why and I need your feedback.

This was taken with my D7000 at 1/800th, f13, ISO 400 using a Nikon 18-200 tele zoomed fully. I had focus set for AF-C and I was panning as the geese came off the lake.

Feedback, comments and instruction would be welcomed.


As with duck hunting don't try to shoot at the flock...you won't get any.

I set mine to spot focus and set the camera to focus priority and use continuous shooting. Then dpress the shutter as you pan and the camera will shoot when it can focus on a bird.

I try to use 1/1000 if light allows without too high an ISO...ISO 500 is fine with D7000.
quote=Jtceec Hello, all -- I've just begun trying... (show quote)


:thumbup:

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Dec 22, 2012 10:09:45   #
JTC Loc: Franklin, TN
 
JC56 wrote:
Welcome to the bif addiction..... that's some very good advice from some folks that know their stuff.I love bif but I'm not worth a crap but here are a couple of things that i have learned about birding photos.
1. you can never have enough reach.....a birder could mount the huble telescope on a 50,000 MP/ full frame 10,000 fps lieca camera...and still have have some nits (photo speak for negative)
2. You will never get the perfect photo...but it's fun getting sunburned and frost bit trying.
3. your butt is in trouble...there is no twelve step program for bif addiction.
4. have fun and keep on shooting ( i've been photographing bifs for four years.......... and those natty geo snobs haven't called yet)
5. Merry Christmas and don't get discouraged. (sp)
Welcome to the bif addiction..... that's some very... (show quote)


Yep, I think I'm in the first stages of BIF Disease - I understand there is no known cure . . .

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Dec 22, 2012 10:11:48   #
JTC Loc: Franklin, TN
 
wteffey wrote:
Don't know how many shots you took that day, but my experience with birds in flight is that 1 in 10 shots might be a keeper. Just too many variables. If this is the only shot you took you did well.


No, there were several shots and this was probably the "best" one. The geese came up so quickly off the water from a lake adjacent to my house that I barely had time to shoot at all. You can see how close they were to the ground.

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Dec 22, 2012 10:22:23   #
JTC Loc: Franklin, TN
 
Thanks, PalePictures - I'll continue to work on my shots and thanks for your info.

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Dec 22, 2012 10:26:43   #
naturepics43 Loc: Hocking Co. Ohio - USA
 
Jtceec wrote:
Hello, all -- I've just begun trying to learn BIF photography and need some thoughts from those more experienced. My shot are OK, but not tack sharp, as the attached picture will show. I'm not sure exactly why and I need your feedback.

This was taken with my D7000 at 1/800th, f13, ISO 400 using a Nikon 18-200 tele zoomed fully. I had focus set for AF-C and I was panning as the geese came off the lake.

Feedback, comments and instruction would be welcomed.


All very good anvice so far. I've picked up several tips myself. One thing that I don't think has been mentioned so far is that AF-C has TWO menu settings. By default, it's set to "release priority" which means it will take a picture even if not in focus! The other is "focus priority" where by it will only take a picture when focus is acquired. There are mixed feelings as to which is best. I would say to experiment with both and use the one that gives you the best results.

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Dec 22, 2012 10:31:09   #
JTC Loc: Franklin, TN
 
I use focus priority as my standard on AF-C because I prefer to have a sharp picture rather than just a shot. I think I'll try the release mode just to see how that works.

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Dec 22, 2012 11:56:36   #
CAM1017 Loc: Chiloquin, Oregon
 
Jtceec wrote:
Hello, all -- I've just begun trying to learn BIF photography and need some thoughts from those more experienced. My shot are OK, but not tack sharp, as the attached picture will show. I'm not sure exactly why and I need your feedback.

This was taken with my D7000 at 1/800th, f13, ISO 400 using a Nikon 18-200 tele zoomed fully. I had focus set for AF-C and I was panning as the geese came off the lake.

Feedback, comments and instruction would be welcomed.


It looks like you are off to a good start. I would suggest raising shutter speed and ISO. I typically shoot in the the 1/2000 sec range at around F8 and ISO 800. These will vary some depending on lighting but I try for the higher shutter & ISO and also pan as as you are all ready doing. Also shoot in multiple burst. Good Luck. In flight bird photography is a lot of fun.

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Dec 22, 2012 11:59:35   #
JTC Loc: Franklin, TN
 
CAM1017 wrote:
Jtceec wrote:
Hello, all -- I've just begun trying to learn BIF photography and need some thoughts from those more experienced. My shot are OK, but not tack sharp, as the attached picture will show. I'm not sure exactly why and I need your feedback.

This was taken with my D7000 at 1/800th, f13, ISO 400 using a Nikon 18-200 tele zoomed fully. I had focus set for AF-C and I was panning as the geese came off the lake.

Feedback, comments and instruction would be welcomed.


It looks like you are off to a good start. I would suggest raising shutter speed and ISO. I typically shoot in the the 1/2000 sec range at around F8 and ISO 800. These will vary some depending on lighting but I try for the higher shutter & ISO and also pan as as you are all ready doing. Also shoot in multiple burst. Good Luck. In flight bird photography is a lot of fun.
quote=Jtceec Hello, all -- I've just begun trying... (show quote)


:thumbup:

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Dec 22, 2012 15:23:53   #
gregoryd45 Loc: Fakahatchee Strand
 
Jtceec wrote:
Hello, all -- I've just begun trying to learn BIF photography and need some thoughts from those more experienced. My shot are OK, but not tack sharp, as the attached picture will show. I'm not sure exactly why and I need your feedback.

This was taken with my D7000 at 1/800th, f13, ISO 400 using a Nikon 18-200 tele zoomed fully. I had focus set for AF-C and I was panning as the geese came off the lake.

Feedback, comments and instruction would be welcomed.


I take a lot of BIF shots, and you have received some good info. It is very hard to shoot a flock in flight, try and pick out one bird and stay with it, otherwise you will not be in focus with all birds. If they are too far away nothing you do will help. You can have a 400mm, 500mm, etc lens, but if they are out of your range you won't get a good shot. Your 200mm is fine as long as you are not out of range, I shoot 90% of my BIF with a 70-210mm lens with a tamron 1.4X, in M mode, at f4.5, no less than 1/1,000. I will go higher if light is fine and I want a darker sky. I use spot metering and ISO 200. These two shots were taken at the above, and you can see you do not a big lens to get a good shot. I practice all the time and find it to be alot of fun. It just makes you better. Good luck and enjoy





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Dec 22, 2012 15:32:34   #
JC56 Loc: Lake St.Louis mo.
 
Yah and old greg lives in bird heaven...lucky dog.

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Dec 22, 2012 16:34:04   #
JTC Loc: Franklin, TN
 
gregoryd45 wrote:
Jtceec wrote:
Hello, all -- I've just begun trying to learn BIF photography and need some thoughts from those more experienced. My shot are OK, but not tack sharp, as the attached picture will show. I'm not sure exactly why and I need your feedback.

This was taken with my D7000 at 1/800th, f13, ISO 400 using a Nikon 18-200 tele zoomed fully. I had focus set for AF-C and I was panning as the geese came off the lake.

Feedback, comments and instruction would be welcomed.


I take a lot of BIF shots, and you have received some good info. It is very hard to shoot a flock in flight, try and pick out one bird and stay with it, otherwise you will not be in focus with all birds. If they are too far away nothing you do will help. You can have a 400mm, 500mm, etc lens, but if they are out of your range you won't get a good shot. Your 200mm is fine as long as you are not out of range, I shoot 90% of my BIF with a 70-210mm lens with a tamron 1.4X, in M mode, at f4.5, no less than 1/1,000. I will go higher if light is fine and I want a darker sky. I use spot metering and ISO 200. These two shots were taken at the above, and you can see you do not a big lens to get a good shot. I practice all the time and find it to be alot of fun. It just makes you better. Good luck and enjoy
quote=Jtceec Hello, all -- I've just begun trying... (show quote)


Great shots! Many thanks for giving me some hope with my little lens.

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Dec 22, 2012 18:46:34   #
dirtpusher Loc: tulsa oklahoma
 
One of the things can use for tracking tie a rubber band around the handle . An using steady pressure is something i use in videos. Makes lot smoother track. Have used same on pictures of dirt track racing pictures using live view remote trigger.

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