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Dec 11, 2012 00:00:59   #
Lazy Old Coot Loc: Gainesville, Florida
 
Just a few days ago Rixpix was telling us what a wonderful future we all have ahead of us now that Obama has been re-elected. I think one of the ways he phrased it was "We will all have more money in our pockets!" Well, today The Associated Press released an article on the first $25 Billion installment of that wonderful future. There's only one problem, the $25 billion is being sucked out of our pockets rather than flowing into them. Can anyone say "Unintended Consequences"? ......... Coot


Surprise: New insurance fee in health overhaul law

WASHINGTON (AP) — Your medical plan is facing an unexpected expense, so you probably are, too. It's a new, $63-per-head fee to cushion the cost of covering people with pre-existing conditions under President Barack Obama's health care overhaul.

The charge, buried in a recent regulation, works out to tens of millions of dollars for the largest companies, employers say. Most of that is likely to be passed on to workers.

Employee benefits lawyer Chantel Sheaks calls it a "sleeper issue" with significant financial consequences, particularly for large employers.

"Especially at a time when we are facing economic uncertainty, (companies will) be hit with a multi-million dollar assessment without getting anything back for it," said Sheaks, a principal at Buck Consultants, a Xerox subsidiary.

Based on figures provided in the regulation, employer and individual health plans covering an estimated 190 million Americans could owe the per-person fee.

The Obama administration says it is a temporary assessment levied for three years starting in 2014, designed to raise $25 billion. It starts at $63 and then declines.

Most of the money will go into a fund administered by the Health and Human Services Department. It will be used to cushion health insurance companies from the initial hard-to-predict costs of covering uninsured people with medical problems. Under the law, insurers will be forbidden from turning away the sick as of Jan. 1, 2014.

The program "is intended to help millions of Americans purchase affordable health insurance, reduce unreimbursed usage of hospital and other medical facilities by the uninsured and thereby lower medical expenses and premiums for all," the Obama administration says in the regulation. An accompanying media fact sheet issued Nov. 30 referred to "contributions" without detailing the total cost and scope of the program.

Of the total pot, $5 billion will go directly to the U.S. Treasury, apparently to offset the cost of shoring up employer-sponsored coverage for early retirees.

The $25 billion fee is part of a bigger package of taxes and fees to finance Obama's expansion of coverage to the uninsured. It all comes to about $700 billion over 10 years, and includes higher Medicare taxes effective this Jan. 1 on individuals making more than $200,000 per year or couples making more than $250,000. People above those threshold amounts also face an additional 3.8 percent tax on their investment income.

But the insurance fee had been overlooked as employers focused on other costs in the law, including fines for medium and large firms that don't provide coverage.

"This kind of came out of the blue and was a surprisingly large amount," said Gretchen Young, senior vice president for health policy at the ERISA Industry Committee, a group that represents large employers on benefits issues.

Word started getting out in the spring, said Young, but hard cost estimates surfaced only recently with the new regulation. It set the per capita rate at $5.25 per month, which works out to $63 a year.

America's Health Insurance Plans, the major industry trade group for health insurers, says the fund is an important program that will help stabilize the market and mitigate cost increases for consumers as the changes in Obama's law take effect.

But employers already offering coverage to their workers don't see why they have to pony up for the stabilization fund, which mainly helps the individual insurance market. The redistribution puts the biggest companies on the hook for tens of millions of dollars.

"It just adds on to everything else that is expected to increase health care costs," said economist Paul Fronstin of the nonprofit Employee Benefit Research Institute.

The fee will be assessed on all "major medical" insurance plans, including those provided by employers and those purchased individually by consumers. Large employers will owe the fee directly. That's because major companies usually pay upfront for most of the health care costs of their employees. It may not be apparent to workers, but the insurance company they deal with is basically an agent administering the plan for their employer.

The fee will total $12 billion in 2014, $8 billion in 2015 and $5 billion in 2016. That means the per-head assessment would be smaller each year, around $40 in 2015 instead of $63.

It will phase out completely in 2017 — unless Congress, with lawmakers searching everywhere for revenue to reduce federal deficits — decides to extend it.

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Dec 11, 2012 00:09:30   #
Bmac Loc: Long Island, NY
 
Lazy Old Coot wrote:
Surprise: New insurance fee in health overhaul law........


The brilliant Nancy Pelosi was right, we had to pass it to see what was in it. I am sure there will be many more surprises. 8-)

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Dec 11, 2012 00:22:28   #
dirtpusher Loc: tulsa oklahoma
 
The head ceo of G.E. was just on charlie rose show on pbs an was there praised obama on what he was after. I sat there saying "huh" ok this is going to be interesting! He even stated corporations could work with some tax altercations in our tax codes. To give back to the country that made them great. I thought wow am i dead? lol

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Dec 11, 2012 07:26:38   #
Robert Graybeal Loc: Myrtle Beach
 
More proof of how wrong the liberals are!

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Dec 11, 2012 07:50:49   #
PrairieSeasons Loc: Red River of the North
 
dirtpusher wrote:
The head ceo of G.E. was just on charlie rose show on pbs an was there praised obama on what he was after. I sat there saying "huh" ok this is going to be interesting! He even stated corporations could work with some tax altercations in our tax codes. To give back to the country that made them great. I thought wow am i dead? lol


Jeff Immelt has proven himself to be quite the Obama supporter over the past four years. His view of the world is at odds with most corporate leaders. Probably at least partly because of the degree to which GE is tied to military contracts.

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Dec 12, 2012 09:18:11   #
jjwright71 Loc: Lubbock,Tx
 
Lazy Old Coot wrote:
Just a few days ago Rixpix was telling us what a wonderful future we all have ahead of us now that Obama has been re-elected. I think one of the ways he phrased it was "We will all have more money in our pockets!" Well, today The Associated Press released an article on the first $25 Billion installment of that wonderful future. There's only one problem, the $25 billion is being sucked out of our pockets rather than flowing into them. Can anyone say "Unintended Consequences"? ......... Coot yep told ya!! ,i still have some prayer rugs and korands (also included is a compass for you people who dont know where east is )HAR!


Surprise: New insurance fee in health overhaul law

WASHINGTON (AP) — Your medical plan is facing an unexpected expense, so you probably are, too. It's a new, $63-per-head fee to cushion the cost of covering people with pre-existing conditions under President Barack Obama's health care overhaul.

The charge, buried in a recent regulation, works out to tens of millions of dollars for the largest companies, employers say. Most of that is likely to be passed on to workers.

Employee benefits lawyer Chantel Sheaks calls it a "sleeper issue" with significant financial consequences, particularly for large employers.

"Especially at a time when we are facing economic uncertainty, (companies will) be hit with a multi-million dollar assessment without getting anything back for it," said Sheaks, a principal at Buck Consultants, a Xerox subsidiary.

Based on figures provided in the regulation, employer and individual health plans covering an estimated 190 million Americans could owe the per-person fee.

The Obama administration says it is a temporary assessment levied for three years starting in 2014, designed to raise $25 billion. It starts at $63 and then declines.

Most of the money will go into a fund administered by the Health and Human Services Department. It will be used to cushion health insurance companies from the initial hard-to-predict costs of covering uninsured people with medical problems. Under the law, insurers will be forbidden from turning away the sick as of Jan. 1, 2014.

The program "is intended to help millions of Americans purchase affordable health insurance, reduce unreimbursed usage of hospital and other medical facilities by the uninsured and thereby lower medical expenses and premiums for all," the Obama administration says in the regulation. An accompanying media fact sheet issued Nov. 30 referred to "contributions" without detailing the total cost and scope of the program.

Of the total pot, $5 billion will go directly to the U.S. Treasury, apparently to offset the cost of shoring up employer-sponsored coverage for early retirees.

The $25 billion fee is part of a bigger package of taxes and fees to finance Obama's expansion of coverage to the uninsured. It all comes to about $700 billion over 10 years, and includes higher Medicare taxes effective this Jan. 1 on individuals making more than $200,000 per year or couples making more than $250,000. People above those threshold amounts also face an additional 3.8 percent tax on their investment income.

But the insurance fee had been overlooked as employers focused on other costs in the law, including fines for medium and large firms that don't provide coverage.

"This kind of came out of the blue and was a surprisingly large amount," said Gretchen Young, senior vice president for health policy at the ERISA Industry Committee, a group that represents large employers on benefits issues.

Word started getting out in the spring, said Young, but hard cost estimates surfaced only recently with the new regulation. It set the per capita rate at $5.25 per month, which works out to $63 a year.

America's Health Insurance Plans, the major industry trade group for health insurers, says the fund is an important program that will help stabilize the market and mitigate cost increases for consumers as the changes in Obama's law take effect.

But employers already offering coverage to their workers don't see why they have to pony up for the stabilization fund, which mainly helps the individual insurance market. The redistribution puts the biggest companies on the hook for tens of millions of dollars.

"It just adds on to everything else that is expected to increase health care costs," said economist Paul Fronstin of the nonprofit Employee Benefit Research Institute.

The fee will be assessed on all "major medical" insurance plans, including those provided by employers and those purchased individually by consumers. Large employers will owe the fee directly. That's because major companies usually pay upfront for most of the health care costs of their employees. It may not be apparent to workers, but the insurance company they deal with is basically an agent administering the plan for their employer.

The fee will total $12 billion in 2014, $8 billion in 2015 and $5 billion in 2016. That means the per-head assessment would be smaller each year, around $40 in 2015 instead of $63.

It will phase out completely in 2017 — unless Congress, with lawmakers searching everywhere for revenue to reduce federal deficits — decides to extend it.
Just a few days ago Rixpix was telling us what a w... (show quote)

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Dec 12, 2012 09:33:51   #
ole sarg Loc: south florida
 
It is for three years and starts in 2014. It is a declining payment. Some will be passed on some will not be passed on. So , instead of paying extra in local taxes to support the hospital which has to care for the uninsured I pay a few bucks upfront. I will take the up front cost versus a lifelong payment in local taxes for those who cannot get insurance.

What a stupid argument you all make.

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Dec 12, 2012 10:12:55   #
thewags Loc: Phoenix
 
ole sarg wrote:
It is for three years and starts in 2014. It is a declining payment. Some will be passed on some will not be passed on. So , instead of paying extra in local taxes to support the hospital which has to care for the uninsured I pay a few bucks upfront. I will take the up front cost versus a lifelong payment in local taxes for those who cannot get insurance.

What a stupid argument you all make.


Pointing out a cost that was previously hidden is a stupid argument? I don't think so. Nor do I believe that a government fee will phase out.

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Dec 12, 2012 10:18:01   #
thewags Loc: Phoenix
 
Nothing is free. In our economy, there is a certain amount of money. To fund a new government program like Obamacare, you have to either suck the money from somewhere else, or you print and add more money to the pot. Either method has negative impact on the economy. No way around it.

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Dec 12, 2012 10:39:35   #
letmedance Loc: Walnut, Ca.
 
Let's see if Health Insurance providers are required to insure those with preexisting conditions, then should auto insurers be required to issue policies after accidents happen.

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Dec 12, 2012 10:40:55   #
PrairieSeasons Loc: Red River of the North
 
letmedance wrote:
Let's see if Health Insurance providers are required to insure those with preexisting conditions, then should auto insurers be required to issue policies after accidents happen.


Maybe a posthumous life insurance policy is in order.

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Dec 12, 2012 11:22:14   #
thewags Loc: Phoenix
 
letmedance wrote:
Let's see if Health Insurance providers are required to insure those with preexisting conditions, then should auto insurers be required to issue policies after accidents happen.


Government trying to fix a problem they created. So typical.

If not for the many restrictions imposed by government, we wouldn't need Obamacare. If folks were allowed to own their company insurance policy, they could take it with them as they changed jobs. That would go a long way to solving the pre-existing conditions issue.

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Dec 12, 2012 13:11:42   #
Moose Loc: North Carolina
 
Gasp! .17 cents a day we may have to pay. It's just plain terrible to pay alittle extra to provide insurance for those that can't afford it or can't get it because of pre-existing conditions. I'm being facetious if it wasn't apparent. It's a small price to pay. However, good news is that the amount will decrease to nothing in 3 years.

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Dec 12, 2012 13:13:28   #
PrairieSeasons Loc: Red River of the North
 
Moose wrote:
However, good news is that the amount will decrease to nothing in 3 years.


Don't hold your breath on that one.

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Dec 12, 2012 13:27:27   #
Bmac Loc: Long Island, NY
 
ole sarg wrote:
What a stupid argument you all make.


Perhaps this article is not stupid, but it is certainly ironic:

Dems Ask for Delay to Obamacare Med Device Tax They Voted for in the First Place. Medical Device Tax is just one of 20 Obamacare Taxes.
http://www.atr.org/dems-delay-obamacare-med-device-tax-a7380

8-)

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