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Mar 31, 2024 09:46:29   #
jerryc41 Loc: Catskill Mts of NY
 
Several of the top people at Boeing have been "let go," and it's rumored that a woman will replace Calhoun as the CEO. Mr. Calhoun will be out of a job by the end of the year. I hope he can find a new job before he has to go on welfare. At least they gave him nine months to get himself ready for a lower standard of living. Maybe he'll start a GoFundMe to help him buy food and pay the rent until he finds a new job.

When you look at the number of changes in management Boeing has gone through in recent years, you have to wonder why they bother. All they are doing is making millionaires richer.

One of Boeing's largest customers is RyanAir. The head of the company said that when they receive a 737, they have to spend a couple of days examining it and removing tools and replacing missing parts.

"Calhoun's annual salary is about $1.4 million and his target annual bonus is about $17 million. 5 days ago."

Based on an eight-hour day, he's making about $9,000 an hour.

Another source says he made over $24 in 2023, for $12,000 an hour, not bad for a kid from Philadelphia.

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Mar 31, 2024 09:50:17   #
Mark Sturtevant Loc: Grand Blanc, MI
 
As would be routine, they will probably get a generous severance package.

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Mar 31, 2024 09:50:57   #
jerryc41 Loc: Catskill Mts of NY
 
Mark Sturtevant wrote:
As would be routine, they will probably get a generous severance package.


Definitely!

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Mar 31, 2024 10:03:06   #
BebuLamar
 
jerryc41 wrote:
Definitely!


As you see. No jail time so that they woud do thing and bet on which action that they don't lose their job. They don't care if one action can kill people.

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Mar 31, 2024 10:35:25   #
jerryc41 Loc: Catskill Mts of NY
 
BebuLamar wrote:
As you see. No jail time so that they woud do thing and bet on which action that they don't lose their job. They don't care if one action can kill people.


Jail time? Surely you jest. It's not like that a few ounces of marijuana.

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Mar 31, 2024 10:41:56   #
BebuLamar
 
jerryc41 wrote:
Jail time? Surely you jest. It's not like that a few ounces of marijuana.


Well you see the 737 Max crashed and killed some 300 plus people but no jail time. So when they made the decision to just modify the 737 rather than redesign from scratch they think. If redesign from scratch it would take too much time and Airbus will beat them to it with the 320 Neo and the company loses money then they can lose the job. Not redesign they have to do "Jerry Rigged" like putting the engine more up front thus upset the balance and thus they would have to put the MCAS in there to compensate and also not to tell airlines to retrain their pilots as that would give Airbus an advantage. Well they could kill people that way but the consequence is losing their job if that doesn't work out. So either way they are afraid of losing their jobs not whether they would kill people as they would not have to go to jail for that.

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Mar 31, 2024 11:32:15   #
jerryc41 Loc: Catskill Mts of NY
 
BebuLamar wrote:
Well you see the 737 Max crashed and killed some 300 plus people but no jail time. So when they made the decision to just modify the 737 rather than redesign from scratch they think. If redesign from scratch it would take too much time and Airbus will beat them to it with the 320 Neo and the company loses money then they can lose the job. Not redesign they have to do "Jerry Rigged" like putting the engine more up front thus upset the balance and thus they would have to put the MCAS in there to compensate and also not to tell airlines to retrain their pilots as that would give Airbus an advantage. Well they could kill people that way but the consequence is losing their job if that doesn't work out. So either way they are afraid of losing their jobs not whether they would kill people as they would not have to go to jail for that.
Well you see the 737 Max crashed and killed some 3... (show quote)


The very old basic design of the 737 has been one of its problems. It's first flight was April 9, 1967. Imagine driving a 1967 Chevy that had received a few updates in 2024.

The 737 is not up to the standards of new planes and regulations. Complying is difficult, and it involves requesting exemptions.

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Mar 31, 2024 11:43:53   #
Ava'sPapa Loc: Cheshire, Ct.
 
jerryc41 wrote:
The very old basic design of the 737 has been one of its problems. It's first flight was April 9, 1967. Imagine driving a 1967 Chevy that had received a few updates in 2024.

The 737 is not up to the standards of new planes and regulations. Complying is difficult, and it involves requesting exemptions.


Reminds me of the cars I see in Cuba. Same old bodies with updates to keep them running.

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Mar 31, 2024 12:35:01   #
ecblackiii Loc: Maryland
 
jerryc41 wrote:
The very old basic design of the 737 has been one of its problems. It's first flight was April 9, 1967. Imagine driving a 1967 Chevy that had received a few updates in 2024.

The 737 is not up to the standards of new planes and regulations. Complying is difficult, and it involves requesting exemptions.


You persist in making wild accusations without offering any proof. Specifically, which standards of new planes and regulations does the 737 not meet?

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Mar 31, 2024 12:54:04   #
jerryc41 Loc: Catskill Mts of NY
 
ecblackiii wrote:
You persist in making wild accusations without offering any proof. Specifically, which standards of new planes and regulations does the 737 not meet?


Oh, please!

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Mar 31, 2024 12:55:42   #
robertjerl Loc: Corona, California
 
jerryc41 wrote:
The very old basic design of the 737 has been one of its problems. It's first flight was April 9, 1967. Imagine driving a 1967 Chevy that had received a few updates in 2024.

The 737 is not up to the standards of new planes and regulations. Complying is difficult, and it involves requesting exemptions.


Yeah, my 69 Chevy would still be running if it hadn't been totaled. Wet pavement, down hill stretch to an intersection, sort of like driving on a "slip and slide". The insurance people declared it totaled because it was 10 years old, not because it wasn't repairable, if you could find parts. The insurance guy told me a guy who restores cars for the show circuit bought it from them. It may be out there at some car show right now.

I know people back home still using 1960s and 1970s pickups on the farm. Especially the "commercial grade" brands. They were built to run forever if you maintained them correctly. They just have trouble getting parts - they are down to Pick-a-Part and similar for some parts. One small garage in the county has a guy who will hand machine some parts. Of course those parts are not cheap. But when you see a 60s or 70s pickup looking and running like new, still getting the job done, you know two things. It was well-made, and the owner gives it a lot of TLC. These are not show trucks, though some do attend shows with them. They are working trucks on a small family farm. They take great pride in their trucks, tractors etc.

From what I read it isn't the design so much as piss poor quality control on the assembly line and some subpar parts. The airlines skimp on upkeep.
My Dad spent many years as a ground crew foreman and Union VP at Lambert Field in St Louis working for the old Eastern Airlines. He used to tell me that they went over every new plane with fine tooth comb and then did it again every year. One of the repeating problems was substandard bolts at ridiculous prices up to over $100 each. They found the same brand bolts cost 35 cents each in bulk at the hardware store and when given a full inspection, 75%+ passed specs. Yet at $100 they still got duds.

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Mar 31, 2024 13:02:05   #
jerryc41 Loc: Catskill Mts of NY
 
robertjerl wrote:
Yeah, my 69 chevy would still be running if it hadn't been totaled. I know people back home still using 1960s pickups on the farm.

From what I read it isn't the design so much as piss poor quality control on the assembly line and some subpar parts. The airlines skimp on upkeep.
My Dad spent many years as a ground crew foreman and Union VP at Lambert Field in St Louis working for the old Eastern Airlines. He used to tell me that they went over every new plane with fine tooth comb and then did it again every year. One of the repeating problems was substandard bolts at ridiculous prices up to over $100 each. They found the same brand bolts cost 35 cents each in bulk at the hardware store and when given a full inspection, 75%+ passed specs. Yet at $100 they still got duds.
Yeah, my 69 chevy would still be running if it had... (show quote)


At least one airliner crashed because of hardware store bolts. Mechanics and their supervisors often take the easiest, fastest way to get a job done.

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Mar 31, 2024 13:14:23   #
ecblackiii Loc: Maryland
 
jerryc41 wrote:
Oh, please!


You have no proof, because you are wrong! So much for your opinions.

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Mar 31, 2024 13:34:13   #
BebuLamar
 
robertjerl wrote:
Yeah, my 69 Chevy would still be running if it hadn't been totaled. Wet pavement, down hill stretch to an intersection, sort of like driving on a "slip and slide". The insurance people declared it totaled because it was 10 years old, not because it wasn't repairable, if you could find parts. The insurance guy told me a guy who restores cars for the show circuit bought it from them. It may be out there at some car show right now.

I know people back home still using 1960s and 1970s pickups on the farm. Especially the "commercial grade" brands. They were built to run forever if you maintained them correctly. They just have trouble getting parts - they are down to Pick-a-Part and similar for some parts. One small garage in the county has a guy who will hand machine some parts. Of course those parts are not cheap. But when you see a 60s or 70s pickup looking and running like new, still getting the job done, you know two things. It was well-made, and the owner gives it a lot of TLC. These are not show trucks, though some do attend shows with them. They are working trucks on a small family farm. They take great pride in their trucks, tractors etc.

From what I read it isn't the design so much as piss poor quality control on the assembly line and some subpar parts. The airlines skimp on upkeep.
My Dad spent many years as a ground crew foreman and Union VP at Lambert Field in St Louis working for the old Eastern Airlines. He used to tell me that they went over every new plane with fine tooth comb and then did it again every year. One of the repeating problems was substandard bolts at ridiculous prices up to over $100 each. They found the same brand bolts cost 35 cents each in bulk at the hardware store and when given a full inspection, 75%+ passed specs. Yet at $100 they still got duds.
Yeah, my 69 Chevy would still be running if it had... (show quote)


The problem with the 737 max is a design problem. The 737 was originally designed to sit close to the ground. Which is better for small airports when it was introduced and the low bypass turbo fan engines were skinny. With the Max which is longer they need bigger engine plus they use the fuel efficient high bypass turbo fan engines which are very fat and mounting them in the same way they could touch the ground. So the engines were mount forward so they can be higher but doing that tends to make the plane pitch upward. So MCAS was implement to automatically keeping the plane from pitching up too much. The decision also not to tell airlines about the systems and to retrain the pilots because that would cost the airlines and they may not order the planes because of that.

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Mar 31, 2024 15:51:17   #
JoeBiker Loc: homebase: Houston, TX
 
FYI, one person's opinion of the problem at Boeing:

https://prospect.org/infrastructure/transportation/2024-03-28-suicide-mission-boeing

"What Boeing did to all the guys who remember how to build a plane"

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