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Mar 28, 2024 13:32:36   #
DRM Loc: NC
 
DaveyDitzer wrote:
Is the print from a slide one from Kodachrome 25?


No, it is from Fujichrome Velvia 50.

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Mar 28, 2024 13:44:26   #
nealbralley Loc: Kansas
 
CHG_CANON wrote:
For most everyone, pixel resolution at 20MP is more than enough for any editing and / or printing needs. That 20MP to 20MP range is what the 'working professionals' need for a 2-page spread (magazine print), as if anyone was still printing or purchasing physical magazines in 2024. We see this reality in the slow upward migration of the top (flagship) pro DSLR models.

Examples:

Nikon
D3X - 24MP, 2010
D5 - 20MP, 2017
D6 - 21MP, 2020

Canon
1Ds-III - 21MP, 2007
1DX - 18MP, 2011
1DX-III - 20MP, 2016

Meanwhile, at the same time those flagship models were being released, all around the $6000 per body price range, even the entry-level models were reaching a standard 24MP resolution. The 'pro' full-frame models at one level-down from the 'flagship' bodies reached a 30- to 50MP range for the same timeframe, examples like the D810, D850 and 5DIV models, as well as the top full-frame mirrorless bodies typically all coming out around 45MP.

Personally, for my wildlife photography, I can 'see' the difference in cropping into the results in FF cameras with the same focal length lenses, where one body is 22MP and the other 24MP. I have more options with the images (camera) that has more pixels, even just a 2MP difference. I've also seen demonstrations of the massive print sizes and massive fine details of architecture and cityscapes captured at 45MP.

But again, for most everyone not shooting distant wildlife and not printing anything, buying bodies (sensors) beyond 24MP is just wasting money on capabilities you'll never need.
For most everyone, pixel resolution at 20MP is mor... (show quote)



Additionally in the realm of photo journalists who very often use the flagship cameras referenced above, those photographers are generally shooting in JPEG because that is what their editors demand. Megapixels are often a "red herring."

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Mar 28, 2024 13:46:55   #
Longshadow Loc: Audubon, PA, United States
 
Funny, everyone keeps stating that resolution matters, well yea, to the photographer.
Not so much to the viewer, which was the original question.......

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Mar 28, 2024 13:51:59   #
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chrisg-optical wrote:
I think we reached the point where a ceasefire was declared in megapixel wars of the last 2 decades, finally. CEOs from all the major manufacturers signed a peace treaty, and are now smoking peace bongs in the hookah lounge at B&H. Enjoy!

Seems true. Somebody needs to inform the World Award Winning Silly Willy ("247MP, what do sorry sony users think?") and a few other MP Trolls that no one cares anymore.

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Mar 28, 2024 14:11:58   #
MrBob Loc: lookout Mtn. NE Alabama
 
User ID wrote:
Seems true. Somebody needs to inform the World Award Winning Silly Willy ("247MP, what do sorry sony users think?") and a few other MP Trolls that no one cares anymore.


At the " Hookah " lounge you don't need to Pixel Peep... You are kind of peeping anyhow... BTW, Now days its the GUMMY gathering...

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Mar 28, 2024 14:14:18   #
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therwol wrote:
It's much easier to zoom in on a screen to view details in a picture, but a large print, such as found in public places and sometimes in a home, is for others to view, and when I encounter such pictures, say in a restaurant, I do "look around" for detail. Large format pictures from the 1800s and earlyl 1900s are particularly interesting to me. I like to see in detail what people were doing, what cars they were driving, what they were wearing, what businesses people shopped at etc. I don't own the original to view those pictures on a computer screen or possibly on a large TV. More pixels will make details in a large print easier for OTHERS to see details.
It's much easier to zoom in on a screen to view de... (show quote)

When I described "fun with sceeen pix" it was not about personal private viewing by the authoring ohotographer. Files are shareable. True its not as broad an audience as a huge public print, but OTOH that printed image is stuck in one place, or pehaps multiples but still anchored to places. Shared files have no geographic limits, and bandwidth limits are clearing up.

So its two different types of display for two different audiences, but neither is limited to solely the authoring photographer. Notice in the thread title that it has "a" and not "the" photographer doing the viewing.

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Mar 28, 2024 15:24:22   #
Canisdirus
 
These threads that question the smartness of professional photographers (what drives the top lines of cameras and lenses)...all have one thing in common.

Folks who bought smaller resolution cameras...and are trying to convince themselves they did the right thing.
Perhaps you did...for you...for your economic situation.

But questioning whether more advanced and larger sensors are better...is ridiculous.

They are.

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Mar 28, 2024 15:31:11   #
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Canisdirus wrote:
These threads that question the smartness of professional photographers (what drives the top lines of cameras and lenses)...all have one thing in common.

Folks who bought smaller resolution cameras...and are trying to convince themselves they did the right thing.
Perhaps you did...for you...for your economic situation.

But questioning whether more advanced and larger sensors are better...is ridiculous.

They are
.

While neither agreeing nor disagreeing about that, I can definitely say that I dig where this is (probably) headed ... to the OK Corral.



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Mar 28, 2024 15:54:46   #
BebuLamar
 
User ID wrote:
While neither agreeing nor disagreeing about that, I can definitely say that I dig where this is (probably) headed ... to the OK Corral.


He is prepared for the OK Corral. He has his guns ready.

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Mar 28, 2024 16:03:47   #
bwana Loc: Bergen, Alberta, Canada
 
selmslie wrote:
If it sounds like a provocative question, it was intentional.

A discussion took place recently on another thread that got me thinking about it. So I did some comparison's using a 24MP A7 III and a 45.7MP Z7 using each camera's 85mm f/1.8 lens (at f/2.8). Those lens resolutions are very close according to DXOMARK.

I viewed the results on a 2k (1920x1080, about 2MP) and 4k (3840x2160, about 8MP) monitor and couldn't tell them apart.

I printed the original full-size images on 8.5x11 Red River UltraPro Satin paper at their best settings. I still could not tell them apart.

Then I exported each image at a width of 1920 and 3840 pixels as well as at their full resolution. They will be attached to the next post.

The only time I could tell them apart was at the full resolution pixel peeped at 100%. But the only way anyone can see that is on a monitor where the magnified image is way too big to fit the screen.

There is a message here and some of you aren't going to be happy with it.
If it sounds like a provocative question, it was i... (show quote)

We're getting closer to nature's resolution...

Resolution must mean something!

bwa



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Mar 28, 2024 16:14:20   #
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bwana wrote:
We're getting closer to nature's resolution...

Resolution must mean something!

bwa

Thaz a scanning-and-stitching resolution cuz thaz how the human eye and processor team functions. Consumer grade machine tech is already there and beyond.

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Mar 28, 2024 16:38:11   #
selmslie Loc: Fernandina Beach, FL, USA
 
Canisdirus wrote:
These threads that question the smartness of professional photographers (what drives the top lines of cameras and lenses)...all have one thing in common.

Folks who bought smaller resolution cameras...and are trying to convince themselves they did the right thing.
Perhaps you did...for you...for your economic situation.

But questioning whether more advanced and larger sensors are better...is ridiculous.

They are.

I am not questioning the smartness of professional photographers, just photographers like you who can't think for themselves.

It's pretty clear that you don't understand the math, geometry or physics.

What makes you think you know anything about my economic situation?

Who is trying to convince whom about having done "the right thing"? The person who has only a lower resolution camera or the one that has only a higher resolution camera?

I could not provide evidence from a 24MP and 45.7M camera as I have unless I had them both.

You may not be qualified to understand this thread. It's too nuanced.

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Mar 28, 2024 16:48:32   #
TOG Loc: Sacramento Valley
 
camerapapi~~I Thank You for a Very worthwhile comment!

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Mar 28, 2024 17:00:27   #
selmslie Loc: Fernandina Beach, FL, USA
 
bwana wrote:
We're getting closer to nature's resolution...

Resolution must mean something!

bwa

Once someone posts an error on the internet it gets propagated without question, hearsay going berserk.

The NIH does not agree. See https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/books/NBK10848/

Neither does the American Academy of Ophthalmology. https://www.aao.org/eye-health/anatomy/cones

We see colors via the cones. Those two sources don't agree either (4.5 million or 6 million cones). Either way, the human eye is just a D70. It's a good thing most of us have two.

Don't believe everything you read on the internet unless you know you can trust the source.

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Mar 28, 2024 17:45:12   #
bwana Loc: Bergen, Alberta, Canada
 
selmslie wrote:
Once someone posts an error on the internet it gets propagated without question, hearsay going berserk.

The NIH does not agree. See https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/books/NBK10848/

Neither does the American Academy of Ophthalmology. https://www.aao.org/eye-health/anatomy/cones

We see colors via the cones. Those two sources don't agree either (4.5 million or 6 million cones). Either way, the human eye is just a D70. It's a good thing most of us have two.

Don't believe everything you read on the internet unless you know you can trust the source.
Once someone posts an error on the internet it get... (show quote)

Not total nonsense, per:
According to scientist and photographer Dr. Roger Clark, the resolution of the human eye is 576 megapixels. That’s massive when you compare it to the 12 megapixels of an iPhone 12’s camera123.

However, let’s delve deeper into this fascinating comparison. The 576-megapixel resolution implies that to create a screen with a picture so sharp and clear that you can’t distinguish individual pixels, you would need to pack 576 million pixels into an area the size of your field of view. But here’s the catch: in a single snapshot-length glance, the resolution drops to a fraction of that—around 5–15 megapixels. Why? Because our eyes have some quirks that wouldn’t be acceptable in a camera:

Fovea: The high resolution is concentrated in a tiny area called the fovea, right at the center of our vision. Beyond that, the resolution decreases significantly.
Blind Spot: We have a blind spot where the optic nerve meets the retina.
Eye Movements: Our eyes constantly move around a scene to gather more information and correct for imperfections.
So, while the megapixel count is intriguing, the human eye isn’t just a camera lens—it’s more like a detective, collecting clues and piecing them together in our brain to form a complete picture. When it comes to our daily visual experience, talking in megapixels is a bit too simplistic.

The human eye, a remarkable biological marvel, captures the world in intricate detail, far beyond what any camera sensor can achieve. Its resolution, though not directly comparable to a camera’s megapixels, remains awe-inspiring. Next time you gaze at a breathtaking landscape or a loved one’s face, remember that your eyes are more than just pixels—they’re the gateway to your perception of the world.


I respect Roger Clark's opinion.

bwa

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