Bing and Generative Fill Comparison
Mar 25, 2024 07:17:55 #
Curmudgeon did an image of ducks and an otter with Generative Fill. I have used Generative Fill for a long time and just recently got introduced to Bing. Here is a couple of images, one with Generative Fill and one with Bing. There is a big difference. The first one is with Generative Fill and the second one if with Bing.
Mar 25, 2024 08:14:39 #
"The first one is with Generative Fill and the second one is with Bing."
Same words used to generate both images???
Same words used to generate both images???
Mar 25, 2024 08:38:43 #
dpullum wrote:
"The first one is with Generative Fill and the second one is with Bing."
Same words used to generate both images???
Same words used to generate both images???
Yes.
Mar 25, 2024 09:19:37 #
Would I be right in thinking that in the Adobe image the bird is closer to the original, as in using your bird image instead of generating one from scratch using AI?
Mar 25, 2024 09:29:15 #
R.G. wrote:
Would I be right in thinking that in the Adobe image the bird is closer to the original, as in using your bird image instead of generating one from scratch using AI?
If I understand your question correctly, both are AI images. The Adobe image is very poor in my opinion and the Bing image is more natural and is closer to looking like an actual photograph. I used the same command in both images. "Cardinal bird sitting on a small tree limb with snowy background."
Mar 25, 2024 11:09:11 #
Bill Hancock wrote:
If I understand your question correctly, both are AI images. The Adobe image is very poor in my opinion and the Bing image is more natural and is closer to looking like an actual photograph. I used the same command in both images. "Cardinal bird sitting on a small tree limb with snowy background."
Even Adobe will acknowledge that Generative Fill/Firefly is not as advanced as other AI generators which are trained by scraping the web for every image, whether copyrighted or not. Instead, they only use images they have rights to, and even that has caused controversy. I believe that the original plan was to have a certain number of credits issued to subscribers to different plans, and then after January, you would be charged for going over your limit. That deadline was then moved to March and is currently still not being enforced. I suspect that is due to the poor performance.
I use Generative Fill in Photoshop for removing unwanted objects in photographs, and for that, it works pretty well, if not perfectly. If you want to generate a complete image from scratch, there are better engines than Firefly. I personally have no interest in AI-generated images which cannot even be copyrighted.
Mar 25, 2024 11:17:23 #
Bill Hancock wrote:
If I understand your question correctly, both are AI images. The Adobe image is very poor in my opinion and the Bing image is more natural and is closer to looking like an actual photograph. I used the same command in both images. "Cardinal bird sitting on a small tree limb with snowy background."
I assumed that the procedure was to start with an actual photo and then instruct the AI what you wanted done to it. If, as Terry says, the Adobe Generative Fill was never meant to generate images from scratch then it's not a fair comparison. My question was based on the observation that Adobe editing in general seems to be biased towards keeping a natural look.
Mar 25, 2024 11:31:55 #
R.G. wrote:
I assumed that the procedure was to start with an actual photo and then instruct the AI what you wanted done to it. If, as Terry says, the Adobe Generative Fill was never meant to generate images from scratch then it's not a fair comparison. My question was based on the observation that Adobe editing in general seems to be biased towards keeping a natural look.
To be clear, I don't think I said it was never intended to generate images from scratch, only that it is not very good at it, and Adobe recognizes that. It has to do with the way the softwares are trained, and Firefly is limited in that regard.
I did say that I don't use Generative Fill for creating images from scratch, but Firelfly is capable of that and was intended to do that. It just does it poorly, compared with other engines.
Mar 25, 2024 12:00:24 #
terryMc wrote:
To be clear, I don't think I said it was never intended to generate images from scratch, only that it is not very good at it, and Adobe recognizes that. It has to do with the way the softwares are trained, and Firefly is limited in that regard.
I did say that I don't use Generative Fill for creating images from scratch, but Firelfly is capable of that and was intended to do that. It just does it poorly, compared with other engines.
I did say that I don't use Generative Fill for creating images from scratch, but Firelfly is capable of that and was intended to do that. It just does it poorly, compared with other engines.
OK.
Mar 25, 2024 12:39:52 #
terryMc wrote:
Even Adobe will acknowledge that Generative Fill/F... (show quote)
Don't get me wrong. I like Adobe Photoshop and have been using it since the 1980's. Creative Fill/Firefly does very well on touching up actual photographs. I even use it to add to the images Bing generates, but as a stand-a-lone AI image generator, it has a long way to go. AI is still a very new technology and there are a lot of uncertainties concerning its use. I personally don't care about getting anything AI generated copyrighted. I use it for personal satisfaction in generating something that I like to look at. It occupies this 80 year old brain and keeps it active. Have fun!
Mar 25, 2024 12:47:41 #
Mar 26, 2024 08:50:14 #
Bill Hancock wrote:
Curmudgeon did an image of ducks and an otter with Generative Fill. I have used Generative Fill for a long time and just recently got introduced to Bing. Here is a couple of images, one with Generative Fill and one with Bing. There is a big difference. The first one is with Generative Fill and the second one if with Bing.
Those are nice images Bill. I think the first image (Generative Fill) is the most realistic, as what could be expected from a camera, while the second image (Bing) looks like an AI. I have been using Bing and it does produce some fantastic images, but they're quickly identified as an AI created image (a bit too perfect).
Jack Olson
Mar 26, 2024 13:22:45 #
Generative Expand and Generative Fill make thing a lot easier and quicker to do. Until Adobe couples them with a good AI generator, creating/adding subject matter will not be realistic enough to be useful
If you want to reply, then register here. Registration is free and your account is created instantly, so you can post right away.