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Mar 10, 2024 15:20:15   #
dustie Loc: Nose to the grindstone
 
This seems to me like another odd headline and article.
https://www.yahoo.com/news/seattle-more-daylight-7-p-212530742.html

Do some people still believe changing clock readings has some effect on determining/regulating the number of minutes/hours of daylight? The number of daylight minutes is going to change all year from day to day, even if all the clocks in the world were buried in the deepest ocean.

The other one that chuckles me is the going on about loss of one hour or gain of one hour in one night's sleep, because of a clock change.
People stay up late for a movie, or party, or New Year Eve, or any number of reasons, for more than one hour.....or sleep in an hour or more, for various reasons, but is there any flurry of articles about how those should result in serious mental and physical health worries?

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Mar 10, 2024 15:35:04   #
Linda From Maine Loc: Yakima, Washington
 
Nobody claims the general public cares about basic science

The headline is ridiculous, but the article suggests an interesting point about sunrise time, even though they don't make it clear. Spokane and Seattle are at almost exactly the same latitude. However, Spokane's sunrise today was at 7:09 and Seattle's was 7:31. The reason: they are in the same time zone, but Spokane is 280 miles east of Seattle.

But guess what, Seattle's sunset is 18 minutes later than Spokane's. DUH

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Mar 10, 2024 15:44:39   #
BebuLamar
 
dustie wrote:
This seems to me like another odd headline and article.
https://www.yahoo.com/news/seattle-more-daylight-7-p-212530742.html

Do some people still believe changing clock readings has some effect on determining/regulating the number of minutes/hours of daylight? The number of daylight minutes is going to change all year from day to day, even if all the clocks in the world were buried in the deepest ocean.

The other one that chuckles me is the going on about loss of one hour or gain of one hour in one night's sleep, because of a clock change.
People stay up late for a movie, or party, or New Year Eve, or any number of reasons, for more than one hour.....or sleep in an hour or more, for various reasons, but is there any flurry of articles about how those should result in serious mental and physical health worries?
This seems to me like another odd headline and art... (show quote)


I think they will copy this instead of shrinkflation. They may change the size of the pint so that Jerry can still buy the same number of pints of ice cream for the same money but he actually gets less. Yeah changing time is silly and make daylight savings time permanent is extremely stupid.

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Mar 10, 2024 15:54:49   #
dustie Loc: Nose to the grindstone
 
Linda From Maine wrote:
Nobody claims the general public cares about basic science

The headline is ridiculous, but the article suggests an interesting point about sunrise time, even though they don't make it clear. Spokane and Seattle are at almost exactly the same latitude: 47 degrees. However, Spokane's sunrise today was at 7:09 and Seattle's was 7:31. The reason: they are in the same time zone, but Spokane is 280 miles east of Seattle.

But guess what, Seattle's sunset is 18 minutes later than Spokane's. DUH
Nobody claims the general public cares about basic... (show quote)

👍
Minus the sensible science, there must be a compelling reason news outlets do this sort of article producing twice a year, but I fail to understand what good it is supposed to accomplish.

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Mar 10, 2024 15:56:41   #
dustie Loc: Nose to the grindstone
 
BebuLamar wrote:
I think they will copy this instead of shrinkflation. They may change the size of the pint so that Jerry can still buy the same number of pints of ice cream for the same money but he actually gets less. Yeah changing time is silly and make daylight savings time permanent is extremely stupid.


You're right, I bet'cha.

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Mar 10, 2024 15:58:02   #
Linda From Maine Loc: Yakima, Washington
 
dustie wrote:
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Minus the sensible science, there must be a compelling reason news outlets do this sort of article producing twice a year, but I fail to understand what good it is supposed to accomplish.
Well, first we should probably discuss your definition of "news" outlet

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Mar 10, 2024 16:01:32   #
dustie Loc: Nose to the grindstone
 
Linda From Maine wrote:
Well, first we should probably discuss your definition of "news" outlet


😁

I guess it can remain open-ended.

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Mar 10, 2024 16:22:41   #
Longshadow Loc: Audubon, PA, United States
 
Linda From Maine wrote:
Nobody claims the general public cares about basic science

The headline is ridiculous, but the article suggests an interesting point about sunrise time, even though they don't make it clear. Spokane and Seattle are at almost exactly the same latitude. However, Spokane's sunrise today was at 7:09 and Seattle's was 7:31. The reason: they are in the same time zone, but Spokane is 280 miles east of Seattle.

But guess what, Seattle's sunset is 18 minutes later than Spokane's. DUH
Nobody claims the general public cares about basic... (show quote)

Declination difference?

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Mar 10, 2024 16:24:30   #
Linda From Maine Loc: Yakima, Washington
 
Longshadow wrote:
Declination difference?
Regarding which observation/comment?

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Mar 10, 2024 16:31:11   #
Linda From Maine Loc: Yakima, Washington
 
dustie wrote:
👍
Minus the sensible science, there must be a compelling reason news outlets do this sort of article producing twice a year, but I fail to understand what good it is supposed to accomplish.
dustie wrote:
😁I guess it can remain open-ended.

They have to fill the pages with something.

As for semi-annual discussions of DST, maybe there's a handful of young adults who, at a certain age, become interested in the history. Seems unlikely, doesn't it.

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Mar 10, 2024 16:38:36   #
dustie Loc: Nose to the grindstone
 
Linda From Maine wrote:
They have to fill the pages with something.

As for semi-annual discussions of DST, maybe there's a handful of young adults who, at a certain age, become interested in the history. Seems unlikely, doesn't it.


Seems unlikely.......
,......unless it has some bearing on the release of a new electronic gadget.

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Mar 10, 2024 16:59:43   #
Longshadow Loc: Audubon, PA, United States
 
Linda From Maine wrote:
Regarding which observation/comment?

Sunrise/set time difference between locations, especially north and south within the same time zone.
Yes, east-west distance differences have an effect also.
Depending on summer or winter, and in-between.
Look at the angle of light and dark at different times of the year at:
https://www.timeanddate.com/worldclock/sunearth.html?month=6&day=21&year=2024&hour=3&min=0&sec=0&n=&ntxt=&earth=0

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Mar 10, 2024 17:06:26   #
Linda From Maine Loc: Yakima, Washington
 
Longshadow wrote:
Sunrise/set time difference between locations, especially north and south within the same time zone....
I think you missed my point. I understand all that you wrote because for many decades I've been super-sensitive to sun location, angle, time of rise and set, on and on.

The first thing I checked when I was thinking of moving to Yakima from Bangor was their relative latitudes It all helps me with photography too, especially the angle of the sun from October through April (at the 45th parallel) and its golden light.

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Mar 10, 2024 17:07:54   #
Linda From Maine Loc: Yakima, Washington
 
dustie wrote:
Seems unlikely.......
,......unless it has some bearing on the release of a new electronic gadget.
They probably don't have to manually set any of those devices when the time changes either

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Mar 10, 2024 17:10:15   #
Longshadow Loc: Audubon, PA, United States
 
Linda From Maine wrote:
I think you missed my point. I understand all that you wrote because for many decades I've been super-sensitive to sun location, angle, time of rise and set, on and on.

The first thing I checked when I was thinking of moving to Yakima from Bangor was their relative latitudes It all helps me with photography too, especially the angle of the sun from October through April (at the 45th parallel) and its golden light.
I think you missed my point. I understand all that... (show quote)

Look at the angle on the left of the dark and on the right side of dark. One is a positive slope, the other is negative.
During the equinoxes, they both are basically vertical.
When they are sloped, there will be a difference between two north and south locations for sunrise and sunset.
Almost equal during the equinoxes.

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