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Mar 9, 2024 08:29:24   #
jerryc41 Loc: Catskill Mts of NY
 
Sure, Boeing has messed up, but every time a Boeing plane has a problem, it's not the fault of the company. A Boeing jet recently lost a wheel just after take-off, and another one ran off the runway after landing. Headlines are emphasizing the fact that there was another Boeing problem. I can understand this because of the problems caused by company decisions, but not every problem is caused by the company.

On the other hand, Boeing has still not turned over any information about the plug door to the NTSB - after two months. Either they don't have the paperwork that they're supposed to have, or the paperwork is not what it should be.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=COAUDEnlD5o

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Mar 9, 2024 09:33:14   #
bikinkawboy Loc: north central Missouri
 
Incidences involving airplanes and trains always make the news no matter how insignificant. Jesus could come back but if a freight train loaded with potato chips derailed in the same town, Jesus better have social media accounts to announce his return because the media will cover the train wreck.

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Mar 9, 2024 09:45:25   #
dbjazz Loc: Long Island, NY
 
jerryc41 wrote:
Sure, Boeing has messed up, but every time a Boeing plane has a problem, it's not the fault of the company. A Boeing jet recently lost a wheel just after take-off, and another one ran off the runway after landing. Headlines are emphasizing the fact that there was another Boeing problem. I can understand this because of the problems caused by company decisions, but not every problem is caused by the company.

On the other hand, Boeing has still not turned over any information about the plug door to the NTSB - after two months. Either they don't have the paperwork that they're supposed to have, or the paperwork is not what it should be.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=COAUDEnlD5o
Sure, Boeing has messed up, but every time a Boein... (show quote)


Watch this one: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Q8oCilY4szc (keeping in mind that Oliver is a comedian).

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Mar 9, 2024 09:54:30   #
Mark Sturtevant Loc: Grand Blanc, MI
 
Or this: https://www.politico.com/news/magazine/2024/02/26/former-boeing-employee-speaks-out-00142948. Apologies if you have a connection with Boeing, Jerry!

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Mar 9, 2024 10:02:46   #
Longshadow Loc: Audubon, PA, United States
 
Seems like even "Pilot Error" will now be attributed to Boeing...

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Mar 9, 2024 10:43:34   #
dbrugger25 Loc: Raleigh, NC
 
United Airlines appears to have maintenance problems. I was on a flight from Raleigh to Salt Lake City a few years ago and was sitting over the landing gear. When the plane was rolling on the ground I could hear the distinct sound, and feel the vibrations of a wheel bearing that was failing. I know that sound and vibration because I once had a fleet of heavy trucks. I reported it to a flight attendant and they didn't do anything. A few days later that plane rolled off the runway because a wheel bearing locked-up on the ground.

The pilot of the plane I was aboard probably didn't hear or feel it in the cockpit. There have been two incidents in the past few days involving United owned planes. In one, a wheel fell off. In another the landing gear didn't fully deploy.

The FAA needs to do a deep investigation of airlines and maintenance standards. Of course, the idiot Secretary of Transportation will do nothing. He only seems to care about "woke" issues.

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Mar 9, 2024 11:14:58   #
f8lee Loc: New Mexico
 
Seems to me nowadays it is more PC to blame Boeing (which obviously cannot be responsible for wheels falling off or pilots driving off the tarmac) instead of perhaps looking at the vaunted DEI hiring practices, where inferior workers are hired when they check the appropriate boxes.

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Mar 9, 2024 11:24:59   #
ecblackiii Loc: Maryland
 
jerryc41 wrote:
Sure, Boeing has messed up, but every time a Boeing plane has a problem, it's not the fault of the company. A Boeing jet recently lost a wheel just after take-off, and another one ran off the runway after landing. Headlines are emphasizing the fact that there was another Boeing problem. I can understand this because of the problems caused by company decisions, but not every problem is caused by the company.

On the other hand, Boeing has still not turned over any information about the plug door to the NTSB - after two months. Either they don't have the paperwork that they're supposed to have, or the paperwork is not what it should be.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=COAUDEnlD5o
Sure, Boeing has messed up, but every time a Boein... (show quote)


Not true. Boeing has turned over all the information requested by the NTSB except for the identity of the specific employees who were responsible for performing the incomplete work. There is a legal issue concerning employee privacy rights and the liability for disclosing names publicly if the employees should be sued. If the NTSB provides appropriate safeguards, that can be resolved.

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Mar 9, 2024 12:17:15   #
jerryc41 Loc: Catskill Mts of NY
 
dbjazz wrote:
Watch this one: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Q8oCilY4szc (keeping in mind that Oliver is a comedian).


Yes, I saw that. Boeing has no excuses, yet despite all the lies and deceit, not one person has suffered any consequences. That seems to be the case worldwide. When someone running a business causes a tragedy and multiple deaths, he is not prosecuted because of - whatever. If he is prosecuted, there isn't enough evidence to convict him. If he is convicted and sentenced, the sentence is vacated. Money talks.

I was going to post the link to John Oliver, but I didn't get around to it. I'm glad that you did. His team seems to do thorough research and present a good, detailed analysis of the subject, whatever it is.

A local town clerk got into big trouble for "fixing" traffic tickets for relatives and friends. Wow! What a scandal! It's too bad she wasn't the wealthy CEO of a big company. She would have received a multimillion-dollar bonus for freeing up the court's time.

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Mar 9, 2024 13:28:10   #
ecblackiii Loc: Maryland
 
Sadly, headline writers, media, and ambitious reporters always exaggerate reality, because it's in their own interest. Facts are suppressed in order to grab attention. For others, the pile-on syndrome is apparently irresistible. It's popular to blame "big corporation" leadership for everything even though it's an individual human somewhere in the vast system that actually screwed up. And in the final analysis, it's always a human that made a mistake by not following established work rules, standards, and training. And no number of voluminously documented designs or procedures can completely eliminate the possibility of human error.

The fact that flying in an aircraft assembled from several million parts, individually made by tens of thousands of suppliers who employing hundreds of thousands of workers is enormously safer than traveling by motorcycle, automobile, bus, trains, or subway is testimony to the inherent safety of Boeing aircraft design and manufacture. You can look it up.

The average annual injury rate for commercial aircraft flight is 0.01 injuries per 100,000,000 miles traveled, compared to 101.5 injuries for automobiles, busses, and trains for the same distance. Do the math. That means traveling by automobiles, busses and trains are more than 10,000 times as risky as commercial flying. Reality is more important than sensation.

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Mar 9, 2024 13:48:52   #
RKastner Loc: Davenport, FL
 
bikinkawboy wrote:
Incidences involving airplanes and trains always make the news no matter how insignificant. Jesus could come back but if a freight train loaded with potato chips derailed in the same town, Jesus better have social media accounts to announce his return because the media will cover the train wreck.


Exactly....more people die every year from car crashes than from plane crashes. Yet, plane crashes make the news and people are afraid to fly, but have not problem hopping in the car to head to Starbucks every morning for a latte.

BTW....this was my 100th post! Wooooo Hoooo!

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Mar 9, 2024 14:08:13   #
Carl S
 
As I recall, United Airlines made a big deal about their hiring following DEI guidelines in the recent past instead of hiring of the basis of experience, qualifications, and ability. All of the their very recent problems can be attributed more to maintenance than the Boeing airframe. I wonder if these events are the result of that policy!

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Mar 9, 2024 14:51:51   #
Longshadow Loc: Audubon, PA, United States
 
Carl S wrote:
As I recall, United Airlines made a big deal about their hiring following DEI guidelines in the recent past instead of hiring of the basis of experience, qualifications, and ability. All of the their very recent problems can be attributed more to maintenance than the Boeing airframe. I wonder if these events are the result of that policy!

Wouldn't surprise me......

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Mar 9, 2024 14:54:33   #
revhen Loc: By the beautiful Hudson
 
Boeing shoulda stayed in the town of my birth Seattle (90 years ago). Back in the late 30's my father took my sister and me to see the latest, the Boeing flying boat. Pan Am used them and probably others did. Not a single one left in the world.

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Mar 9, 2024 14:54:41   #
revhen Loc: By the beautiful Hudson
 
Boeing shoulda stayed in the town of my birth Seattle (90 years ago). Back in the late 30's my father took my sister and me to see the latest, the Boeing flying boat. Pan Am used them and probably others did. Not a single one left in the world.

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