Many predicted NATO expansion would lead to war. Those warnings were ignored: https://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2022/feb/28/nato-expansion-war-russia-ukraine...

Racmanaz Loc: Sunny Tucson!

https://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2022/feb/28/nato-expansion-war-russia-ukraine

Texcaster Loc: Queensland

Ted Galen Carpenter, is a senior fellow in defense and foreign policy studies at the Cato Institute. Carpenter spews KGB troll farm dogma. Will Trump give Putin the green light to nuke Sweden and Finland now that they've become NATO members as well. Malcolm Turnbull, ex Aussie PM re: Trump's public sucking up to Poots. "The creepiness was palpable. We all saw it." Arnold was pretty disgusted by Trump's "fanboy, wet noodle" Putin carry on in Helsinki 2018 as well. Your pathetic strong-leader-man-wannabee

Here's another 2 year old article from The Guardian
https://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2022/feb/28/vladimir-putin-war-russia-ukraine
Why Vladimir Putin has already lost this war' Yuval Noah Harari ( Harari wrote Sapians)

Less than a week into the war, it seems increasingly likely that Vladimir Putin is heading towards a historic defeat. He may win all the battles but still lose the war. Putin’s dream of rebuilding the Russian empire has always rested on the lie that Ukraine isn’t a real nation, that Ukrainians aren’t a real people, and that the inhabitants of Kyiv, Kharkiv and Lviv yearn for Moscow’s rule. (KGB troll farm dogma) That’s a complete lie – Ukraine is a nation with more than a thousand years of history, and Kyiv was already a major metropolis when Moscow was not even a village. But the Russian despot has told his lie so many times that he apparently believes it himself.

How AI Will Shape Humanity’s Future - Yuval Noah Harari
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2w37ty9gGU8

Harry02 Loc: Gardena, CA

Texcaster wrote:

Ted Galen Carpenter, is a senior fellow in defense... (show quote)

Putin is Russian.
They have always stated the same principles.
Russia is large- we can always build more equipment.
Russia is large- we can always breed new Russians.
But we need all the land.
Look at a globe Belarus, Ukraine and Crimes- gives Putin a vast coastline, harbors, minerals and crops.
No wonder he's the GOP darling, Making Russia Great Again.

Racmanaz Loc: Sunny Tucson!

Harry02 wrote:

Putin is Russian.
They have always stated the same principles.
Russia is large- we can always build more equipment.
Russia is large- we can always breed new Russians.
But we need all the land.
Look at a globe Belarus, Ukraine and Crimes- gives Putin a vast coastline, harbors, minerals and crops.
No wonder he's the GOP darling, Making Russia Great Again.

You’re quite the delusional specimen. It’s the Democrats and Joe Biden who are making Russia great again. After all, Russia invaded Crimea under Obama’s watch and Russia invaded Ukraine under Joe Biden’s watch while Putin didn’t invade any country under the watch of President Trump. How about getting back to the subject that I posted?

‘Many predicted NATO expansion would lead to war. Those warnings were ignored’

DennyT Loc: Central Missouri woods

Pure and simple - putins reason for attracting Ukraine was his vain attempt to go down in history as the leader who restored “ mother Russia.

The debate over NATO influence is pure bs.

Racmanaz Loc: Sunny Tucson!

DennyT wrote:

Pure and simple - putins reason for attracting Ukraine was his vain attempt to go down in history as the leader who restored “ mother Russia.

The debate over NATO influence is pure bs.

lol ya, because you are an expert on foreign affairs including why Putin moved in on Crimea and Ukraine. Many predicted that Russia would start wars because of NATO’s expansion. NATO expansion was totally unnecessary and provoking.

Racmanaz Loc: Sunny Tucson!

DennyT wrote:

Pure and simple - putins reason for attracting Ukraine was his vain attempt to go down in history as the leader who restored “ mother Russia.

The debate over NATO influence is pure bs.

I keep forgetting that you think you know everything about anything and you think you’re an expert in all subjects. You don’t know “jack Schmidt”.

Ukraine war follows decades of warnings that NATO expansion into Eastern Europe could provoke Russia

https://theconversation.com/ukraine-war-follows-decades-of-warnings-that-nato-expansion-into-eastern-europe-could-provoke-russia-177999

rwoodvira

Racmanaz wrote:

https://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2022/feb/28/nato-expansion-war-russia-ukraine

Rac: your lack of knowledge, particularly history is clear in most of your writing and often totally absurd conclusions. Let me start first with the Cato Institute:

“Cato advocates for a limited governmental role in domestic and foreign affairs as well as strong protection of civil liberties. This includes support for lowering or abolishing most taxes, opposition to the Federal Reserve system and the Affordable Care Act, the privatization of numerous government agencies and programs including Social Security and the United States Postal Service, demilitarization of the police, open borders and adhering to a non-interventionist foreign policy.” From Wikipedia

I guess you didn’t know about getting rid of borders – be careful who you quote without knowing what they are all about.

The idea of isolationship was a tenant by Henry Cabot Lodge and the Republican party post World War I. Membership in the League of Nations was rejected and many feel that with US membership the rise of Hitler may have been stymied. How many lives, American and European, could have been saved with the UK and France’s pacification of Germany? What would the world be like today if we had kept moving west after the defeat of Germany which Patton suggested? He recognized the Soviet Union/Russia interests and appetite.

Perhaps the author and you have never spoken to people as I have that lived in Poland, the Baltics or other former Soviet states. They had relatives, friends and acquaintances that were set to gulags under the Russian boot. Do you think that they thought that NATO gave them the protection so they could live their lives?
BTW you recently parroted Trump about NATO; specifically, about their living up to the percent of GNP for defense. You might find it interesting that the majority of former Soviet states are matching that per cent. States such as Belgium, Netherlands and so on need to step up to the plate. But did you note that for Russia to get to these deadbeats they’d have to march through the states that were meeting their obligations?

You might want to check if Russia consider Ukraine part of Russia – Kiev was a major Russian city in previous centuries. The Ukrainians have a different view.

The lesson of history is simple, the costs to stop aggression increase the longer it is allowed to continue. IM O any move to change NATO opens the door for the Russians. As usual, like Trump, you didn’t do your homework.

Rant away in your usual manner. As noted above, your lack of research and ability to see the validity or non-validity of your sources is obvious.

Racmanaz Loc: Sunny Tucson!

rwoodvira wrote:

Rac: your lack of knowledge, particularly history is clear in most of your writing and often totally absurd conclusions. Let me start first with the Cato Institute:

“Cato advocates for a limited governmental role in domestic and foreign affairs as well as strong protection of civil liberties. This includes support for lowering or abolishing most taxes, opposition to the Federal Reserve system and the Affordable Care Act, the privatization of numerous government agencies and programs including Social Security and the United States Postal Service, demilitarization of the police, open borders and adhering to a non-interventionist foreign policy.” From Wikipedia

I guess you didn’t know about getting rid of borders – be careful who you quote without knowing what they are all about.

The idea of isolationship was a tenant by Henry Cabot Lodge and the Republican party post World War I. Membership in the League of Nations was rejected and many feel that with US membership the rise of Hitler may have been stymied. How many lives, American and European, could have been saved with the UK and France’s pacification of Germany? What would the world be like today if we had kept moving west after the defeat of Germany which Patton suggested? He recognized the Soviet Union/Russia interests and appetite.

Perhaps the author and you have never spoken to people as I have that lived in Poland, the Baltics or other former Soviet states. They had relatives, friends and acquaintances that were set to gulags under the Russian boot. Do you think that they thought that NATO gave them the protection so they could live their lives?
BTW you recently parroted Trump about NATO; specifically, about their living up to the percent of GNP for defense. You might find it interesting that the majority of former Soviet states are matching that per cent. States such as Belgium, Netherlands and so on need to step up to the plate. But did you note that for Russia to get to these deadbeats they’d have to march through the states that were meeting their obligations?

You might want to check if Russia consider Ukraine part of Russia – Kiev was a major Russian city in previous centuries. The Ukrainians have a different view.

The lesson of history is simple, the costs to stop aggression increase the longer it is allowed to continue. IM O any move to change NATO opens the door for the Russians. As usual, like Trump, you didn’t do your homework.

Rant away in your usual manner. As noted above, your lack of research and ability to see the validity or non-validity of your sources is obvious.

Rac: your lack of knowledge, particularly history ... (show quote)

Goodness your ignorance and stupidity goes beyond measure, quite astonishing I may add. You obviously didn't take the time to listen and watch the presentation I included for your education. Nobody cares that you claim to have talked with many people in the countries you mentioned, none of it can be verified. I noticed that you failed to actually address the content of the lecture, that's what you Lefty cultists are well know for. Try watching the lecture and come back with a viable counter argument if you are so inclined to do so. Your lack of knowledge on this issue has been noted. You like Denny both claim you are not a Lefty Liberal but we all see from your responses that is a LIE. You both are frauds.

Racmanaz Loc: Sunny Tucson!

Harry02 wrote:

Putin is Russian.
They have always stated the same principles.
Russia is large- we can always build more equipment.
Russia is large- we can always breed new Russians.
But we need all the land.
Look at a globe Belarus, Ukraine and Crimes- gives Putin a vast coastline, harbors, minerals and crops.
No wonder he's the GOP darling, Making Russia Great Again.

You are full of crapola as usual.

Many predicted NATO expansion would lead to war. Those warnings were ignored

McKinneyMike Loc: Texas

Racmanaz wrote:

You are full of crapola as usual.

Many predicted NATO expansion would lead to war. Those warnings were ignored

You sound like Trump. Just because you keep telling the same lies, they will never become t***hs.

Racmanaz Loc: Sunny Tucson!

McKinneyMike wrote:

You sound like Trump. Just because you keep telling the same lies, they will never become t***hs.

lol really? So those that predicted NATO expansion would lead to war are lying even though what the predicted came to pass?

McKinneyMike Loc: Texas

Racmanaz wrote:

lol really? So those that predicted NATO expansion would lead to war are lying even though what the predicted came to pass?

LOL. You sound like Trump. Putin has programmed you well.

Racmanaz Loc: Sunny Tucson!

McKinneyMike wrote:

LOL. You sound like Trump. Putin has programmed you well.

lol so you can’t answer the question I thought so as much. You’re ignorant of the issue and you have no idea what you’re talking about.

McKinneyMike Loc: Texas

Racmanaz wrote:

lol so you can’t answer the question I thought so as much. You’re ignorant of the issue and you have no idea what you’re talking about.

Twist it up tighter before striking that match!