It's time for Europe to step up and supply Ukraine: While Congress delays in passing legislation for more military aid to Ukraine, it's the perfect time for European allies in Nato to...

SteveR Loc: Michigan

While Congress delays in passing legislation for more military aid to Ukraine, it's the perfect time for European allies in Nato to step up. After all, if Ukraine falls, it's their necks that would be at risk.

Mr. SONY Loc: LI, NY

SteveR wrote:

While Congress delays in passing legislation for more military aid to Ukraine, it's the perfect time for European allies in Nato to step up. After all, if Ukraine falls, it's their necks that would be at risk.

They're so blind to it aren't they?

DennyT Loc: Central Missouri woods

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Bob Smith Loc: Banjarmasin

SteveR wrote:

While Congress delays in passing legislation for more military aid to Ukraine, it's the perfect time for European allies in Nato to step up. After all, if Ukraine falls, it's their necks that would be at risk.

They are, the UK, Germany,France and several others are. You don't see the broader picture. The Ukraine are fighting the fight for freedom which is not just their fight but the freedom of the west. Putin sees the US as weak because of its stance. Don't forget 60 percent of the arms are manufactured in the US giving profit and work to US companies.

SteveR Loc: Michigan

Bob Smith wrote:

They are, the UK, Germany,France and several others are. You don't see the broader picture. The Ukraine are fighting the fight for freedom which is not just their fight but the freedom of the west. Putin sees the US as weak because of its stance. Don't forget 60 percent of the arms are manufactured in the US giving profit and work to US companies.

Of course I see that picture, which is why I made the point that other Nato countries could pick up our slack while we wait to do another bill. From what I hear, they're running out of ammo in Ukraine. They don't make ammo in Europe?

Bob Smith Loc: Banjarmasin

SteveR wrote:

Of course I see that picture, which is why I made the point that other Nato countries could pick up our slack while we wait to do another bill. From what I hear, they're running out of ammo in Ukraine. They don't make ammo in Europe?

Where do you think the other 40 percent comes from

SteveR Loc: Michigan

Bob Smith wrote:

Where do you think the other 40 percent comes from

Increase it for awhile.

Bob Smith Loc: Banjarmasin

SteveR wrote:

Increase it for awhile.

Yes and they can take the profit

Shutterbug1697 Loc: Northeast

SteveR wrote:

Increase it for awhile.

Capacity to manufacture is a problem for most NATO nations.

Even running shifts 24/7, those nations wouldn't be able to keep up with the demand.

That's why it's so important for the United States to get the Ukraine funding bill passed in the House quickly.

SteveR Loc: Michigan

Shutterbug1697 wrote:

Capacity to manufacture is a problem for most NATO nations.

Even running shifts 24/7, those nations wouldn't be able to keep up with the demand.

That's why it's so important for the United States to get the Ukraine funding bill passed in the House quickly.

Simple. Buy from who CAN manufacture. These nations buy jets from the U.S., they can buy arms for Ukraine.

Shutterbug1697 Loc: Northeast

SteveR wrote:

Simple. Buy from who CAN manufacture. These nations buy jets from the U.S., they can buy arms for Ukraine.

Becareful what you ask for, or you'll end up with China and North Korea supplying both sides in the Ukraine fight against Russia.

SteveR Loc: Michigan

Shutterbug1697 wrote:

Becareful what you ask for, or you'll end up with China and North Korea supplying both sides in the Ukraine fight against Russia.

Right. Nato's gonna buy from China. You're thinking too hard. I'm talking about having Nato buy from the U.S. since you said Nato countries can't produce enough. Interesting, since Germany was certainly able to do so during WWII.

Shutterbug1697 Loc: Northeast

SteveR wrote:

Right. Nato's gonna buy from China. You're thinking too hard. I'm talking about having Nato buy from the U.S. since you said Nato countries can't produce enough. Interesting, since Germany was certainly able to do so during WWII.

Times have changed over the last 78 years, since WWII ended.

The world is no longer a place where manufacturing jobs prevail.

We've got a much more diverse labor pool, where a vast number of jobs are no longer factory or manufacturing jobs.

Ramping up production isn't an overnight, flip the switch situation in the 21st Century.

It takes time to train replacement or additional workers to be able to increase the output on a production line.

Have you ever worked in a manufacturing company?

What were the lead times for the raw materials for a normal project, never mind a project which suddenly needs to double or triple the output?

SteveR Loc: Michigan

Shutterbug1697 wrote:

Times have changed over the last 78 years, since W... (show quote)

What's your point? My point is that since the U.S. isn't buying from U.S. Arms manufacturers, other nations can buy the same arms from those same companies and send them to Ukraine. It doesn't involve and lead times, raw materials, planning, etc. Just a different buyer for the same product.