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Feb 6, 2024 09:38:09   #
jerryc41 Loc: Catskill Mts of NY
 
I've been working on a plan to re-organize the wiring for my computer. I need 120v for a computer, a monitor, three printers, a lamp, and three HDD boxes. I need USB connections for the monitor, printers, HDD boxes, and USB hubs.

I'm trying to come up with the simplest, neatest arrangement. My plans keep changing, so I don't know if I'll ever get this done, but it's fun trying to come up with the perfect system. What I have now works, but it's not as neat as I'd like. I have quite a few USB hubs available, several with pushbuttons to turn slots on and off. The computer runs off an APC UPS, and that has always-on sockets. If any of you have any ideas about organizing wires, I'd be glad to hear them.

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Feb 6, 2024 09:45:37   #
Burtzy Loc: Bronx N.Y. & Simi Valley, CA
 
jerryc41 wrote:
I've been working on a plan to re-organize the wiring for my computer. I need 120v for a computer, a monitor, three printers, a lamp, and three HDD boxes. I need USB connections for the monitor, printers, HDD boxes, and USB hubs.

I'm trying to come up with the simplest, neatest arrangement. My plans keep changing, so I don't know if I'll ever get this done, but it's fun trying to come up with the perfect system. What I have now works, but it's not as neat as I'd like. I have quite a few USB hubs available, several with pushbuttons to turn slots on and off. The computer runs off an APC UPS, and that has always-on sockets. If any of you have any ideas about organizing wires, I'd be glad to hear them.
I've been working on a plan to re-organize the wir... (show quote)


I've done this multiple times and the fact that the cables never meet my personal length needs always manages to leave something hanging in a loop or something not reaching. My less than perfect solutions have always been frustrating,

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Feb 6, 2024 10:22:48   #
rcarol
 
jerryc41 wrote:
I've been working on a plan to re-organize the wiring for my computer. I need 120v for a computer, a monitor, three printers, a lamp, and three HDD boxes. I need USB connections for the monitor, printers, HDD boxes, and USB hubs.

I'm trying to come up with the simplest, neatest arrangement. My plans keep changing, so I don't know if I'll ever get this done, but it's fun trying to come up with the perfect system. What I have now works, but it's not as neat as I'd like. I have quite a few USB hubs available, several with pushbuttons to turn slots on and off. The computer runs off an APC UPS, and that has always-on sockets. If any of you have any ideas about organizing wires, I'd be glad to hear them.
I've been working on a plan to re-organize the wir... (show quote)


Keep the wires as straight as you possibly can because, as you may or may not know, electricity does not like bends. It wants to go straight. Bends slow down the electrons and your internet speed will suffer.

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Feb 6, 2024 10:44:38   #
Longshadow Loc: Audubon, PA, United States
 
rcarol wrote:
Keep the wires as straight as you possibly can because, as you may or may not know, electricity does not like bends. It wants to go straight. Bends slow down the electrons and your internet speed will suffer.



Now you know someone out there will actually believe that.....

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Feb 6, 2024 10:47:47   #
Longshadow Loc: Audubon, PA, United States
 
I try to dress them, without tie-wraps
Eh.....
Can't really see most of them anyway.

Tie-wraps are nice, until you have to go get the cutters and more tie-wraps because you added/replaced something,
or want to move it.

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Feb 6, 2024 11:01:18   #
rcarol
 
Longshadow wrote:


Now you know someone out there will actually believe that.....


I hope not.

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Feb 6, 2024 11:18:46   #
MrBob Loc: lookout Mtn. NE Alabama
 
rcarol wrote:
Keep the wires as straight as you possibly can because, as you may or may not know, electricity does not like bends. It wants to go straight. Bends slow down the electrons and your internet speed will suffer.


Can someone tell me how the charge is propagated along the wire ? On the outside, inner core or distributed equally throughout the wire. Does ANYONE really know ? And then there is the electron thing... As I understand it they just wiggle a little with not much movement. Is that correct ? The charge just propagates...? WHY do beginning electronics books always say " ELECTRON MOVEMENT " ? There are some arguments that say the charge moves through the Electromagnetic field . Even Franklin was wrong about electron movement back in the day.

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Feb 6, 2024 11:27:02   #
Longshadow Loc: Audubon, PA, United States
 
MrBob wrote:
Can someone tell me how the charge is propagated along the wire ? On the outside, inner core or distributed equally throughout the wire. Does ANYONE really know ? And then there is the electron thing... As I understand it they just wiggle a little with not much movement. Is that correct ? The charge just propagates...? WHY do beginning electronics books always say " ELECTRON MOVEMENT " ? There are some arguments that say the charge moves through the Electromagnetic field . Even Franklin was wrong about electron movement back in the day.
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Pick your poison here

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Feb 6, 2024 13:16:01   #
MrBob Loc: lookout Mtn. NE Alabama
 


You should see the replies to questions such as this in my audio groups when it comes to audio signal in high dollar connecters... There is a lot of misconception though !

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Feb 6, 2024 13:19:30   #
Longshadow Loc: Audubon, PA, United States
 
MrBob wrote:
You should see the replies to questions such as this in my audio groups when it comes to audio signal in high dollar connecters... There is a lot of misconception though !

I'll bet there are!!!!!!!

And ALL have degrees in electronics, right?

Or they read it on the internet...

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Feb 6, 2024 13:29:41   #
MrBob Loc: lookout Mtn. NE Alabama
 
Longshadow wrote:
I'll bet there are!!!!!!!

And ALL have degrees in electronics, right?

Or they read it on the internet...


Yes, ALL advanced degrees, BUT there are some interesting thoughts... How bout these ?

Electrons have nothing to do with the energy transfer in a circuit, and the garden hose analogy is in the words of O.Heaviside, another father of electricity, to be treated as a psychosis.
The electrical “activity” takes place in the dielectric medium outside and between the wires. The wires are not conductors, they are obstructors like cattle fences, they are wave guides, and the movement of the electrons in the metallic part of a circuit is responsible for the loss, not the transport of energy. That’s why wires get hot and also why the insulators get hot. Total electrification is the product of two types of induction, the dielectric induction and the magnetic induction. The magnetic part of that induction renders the wires hot and the dielectric part renders the insulators hot.
So, metals more than nonmetals resist the penetration by electromagnetism and the more they resist that penetration, the better “waveguides” they are, the less friction and loss they incur. What we wrongly call super-”conductors” allow a near zero penetration and therefore guide electromagnetism without friction and loss. But it is NOT inside the metal where the energy is “moving”. What the electrons in wires and insulators do and in which “direction” is completely irrelevant for the “transport” of energy.

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Feb 6, 2024 13:32:46   #
Longshadow Loc: Audubon, PA, United States
 
MrBob wrote:
Yes, ALL advanced degrees, BUT there are some interesting thoughts... How bout these ?

Electrons have nothing to do with the energy transfer in a circuit, and the garden hose analogy is in the words of O.Heaviside, another father of electricity, to be treated as a psychosis.
The electrical “activity” takes place in the dielectric medium outside and between the wires. The wires are not conductors, they are obstructors like cattle fences, they are wave guides, and the movement of the electrons in the metallic part of a circuit is responsible for the loss, not the transport of energy. That’s why wires get hot and also why the insulators get hot. Total electrification is the product of two types of induction, the dielectric induction and the magnetic induction. The magnetic part of that induction renders the wires hot and the dielectric part renders the insulators hot.
So, metals more than nonmetals resist the penetration by electromagnetism and the more they resist that penetration, the better “waveguides” they are, the less friction and loss they incur. What we wrongly call super-”conductors” allow a near zero penetration and therefore guide electromagnetism without friction and loss. But it is NOT inside the metal where the energy is “moving”. What the electrons in wires and insulators do and in which “direction” is completely irrelevant for the “transport” of energy.
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SO glad I don't have a PhD.....

Connect the wire, the signal moves.
Gold connectors are better than cheap metal ones.

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Feb 6, 2024 13:37:41   #
Moondoggie Loc: Southern California
 
I believe they make some small velcro "ties". This way you can undo them vs. cutting tie wraps. No risk of nicking wires.

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Feb 6, 2024 14:20:22   #
BebuLamar
 
But Jerry question is about organizing wires not about how to optimize for best data transfer. So the signal will get there straight or curve, long or short. How to keep the wires neat was the question. The first thing is try not to change your computer configuration like adding drives, monitors, printers etc.. Second don't move things around.
If you do that 2 then it's fairly easy to organize the cables.

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Feb 6, 2024 14:39:07   #
srt101fan
 
Longshadow wrote:

SO glad I don't have a PhD.....

Connect the wire, the signal moves.
Gold connectors are better than cheap metal ones.


And be quick when you make your connections to keep the electrons from falling out of the wire. ☹️

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