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Feb 2, 2024 19:10:55   #
btbg
 
DirtFarmer wrote:
Some people ham it up



1961


Probably couldn't get away with doing that today. Nice shot if you took it.

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Feb 2, 2024 19:15:46   #
DirtFarmer Loc: Escaped from the NYC area, back to MA
 
My camera, self timer. Exakta VXII, 50mm, slide (probably Kodachrome). Young and foolish photographer who has more sense today.

I'm sure that today there is a fence set probably 10 ft back from the edge. (The ledge just a couple feet below the ground level is not seen in the photo).

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Feb 2, 2024 19:23:21   #
btbg
 
DirtFarmer wrote:
My camera, self timer. Exakta VXII, 50mm, slide (probably Kodachrome). Young and foolish photographer who has more sense today.

I'm sure that today there is a fence set probably 10 ft back from the edge. (The ledge just a couple feet below the ground level is not seen in the photo).


When I was there four years ago there were portions of the North Rim that you could still get out to the edge. Don't know about the South Rim as I have not been there for years.

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Feb 2, 2024 19:32:10   #
DirtFarmer Loc: Escaped from the NYC area, back to MA
 
I believe this was the South Rim. My memory is not clear after 62.5 years.
At my age, my memory isn't even clear from yesterday.

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Feb 2, 2024 19:59:32   #
btbg
 
DirtFarmer wrote:
I believe this was the South Rim. My memory is not clear after 62.5 years.
At my age, my memory isn't even clear from yesterday.


It was the south rim. Tje view from the north is very different as the north rim is higjer.

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Feb 2, 2024 21:01:34   #
OldCADuser Loc: Irvine, CA
 
I haven't used 'prime lens' since I was shooting film. In fact, I only had one zoom lens for a film camera, a 75-150mm Minolta MD lens, but I can't recall ever using it (I bought it at a garage sale for about $20).

As for my interchange-lens digital cameras (4), except for a 400mm long telephoto and 60mm macro lens, all of the rest are zoom lens.

For my Sony DSLR's, an A100 and an A65 (A mount), I have a 10-24mm Tamron, an 18-70mm Sony, a 28-75mm Tamron and a 75-300mm Sony lens.

For my Sony mirrorless cameras, an a6000 and an a6500 (E mount), I have a 10-18mm Sony, a 16-50mm Sony, an 18-135mm Sony and a 55-210mm Sony lens.

I've considered buying an 'E mount' prime lens, perhaps something like an f1.4 or f1.8 35mm lens, but just couldn't justify the cost.

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Feb 2, 2024 21:31:18   #
ELNikkor
 
Zooms allow precise composition which is especially valuable when you are unable to "zoom with your feet". Lens speed is rarely an issue because of stabilization and the ability of modern digital cameras to shoot at high ISO while retaining decent quality, not to mention the denoising programs available.

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Feb 2, 2024 21:48:26   #
gwilliams6
 
It really all is changing. No longer are ONLY primes sharp and fast. Look at the Tamron 35-150mm f2-2.8 and Samyang 35-150mm f2- 2.8 zooms, both with excellent IQ , fast apertures, and versatility, all in one lens, without having to carry separate primes.

Almost gone are the days when ONLY primes ruled for image quality.

Personally I have a mix of primes and zooms in my kit. With my best zooms being able to fully resolve the high megapixel sensors of my 50mp Sony A1 and my 61mp Sony A7RV, I am just as likely to reach for one of my excellent zooms as I am to reach for one of my excellent primes for my professional and personal work.

And if I am traveling for a foreign shoot and have limited gear I can take, I am more likely to take my zooms and maybe just one or two primes that might be specialty lenses or a special focal length for astro or architect work.

Here are the MTF- Standard Sharpness test results for over 200 fullframe E-mount lenses from Sony, Sigma, Tamron, Samyang, Zeiss, Viltrox and others, all tested on the high pixel density 61mp Sony A7RIV, the toughest test of resolving ability of these lenses. .

Notice in these test results that more zooms are testing as Outstanding, Excellent and Very Good, now equaling the sharpness of many of the best primes, which used to have the top ratings all to themselves. Times are a changing.

I love my fast, sharp primes, but I also love my sharp, fast and versatile zooms. Today's best zooms aren't your father's zooms.

https://sonyalpha.blog/2019/11/10/which-lenses-to-maximise-the-potential-of-the-sony-a7riv/

Cheers and best to you all.

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Feb 2, 2024 22:13:00   #
Boris77
 
JZA B1 wrote:
I understand that prime lenses usually offer higher image quality. But given the fact that people use smart phones to take pics these days and quality seems to be good enough, does it even matter that primes offer slight advantage while having major disadvantage of fixed focal length?

Do you still use primes at all? For what purpose?


Yes.
Easier to carry.
Better in dim light.
Expendable, cost less.
Special purpose, fish-eye, macro.
One lens does not fit all categories.
BOris

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Feb 2, 2024 22:48:49   #
rlscholl Loc: California
 
Two main reasons:
First is generally lighter, all else (focal length, f/ stop, etc) being comparable.
Second is image quality for when good enough isn’t.

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Feb 2, 2024 23:07:43   #
User ID
 
rlscholl wrote:
Two main reasons:
First is generally lighter, all else (focal length, f/ stop, etc) being comparable.
Second is image quality for when good enough isn’t.

Regardless of the issue and regardless of the attempted solution, its always better to have multiple main reasons for it.

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Feb 3, 2024 01:17:14   #
RodeoMan Loc: St Joseph, Missouri
 
Primes are pretty handy for rangefinder film cameras.

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Feb 3, 2024 01:55:27   #
btbg
 
User ID wrote:
Lazy ?!?? Oh ... you must mean lazy of mind. Cant be too physically lazy if one loves toting them mega-lenses !

But assuming you mean lazy in the head, I look at what most Hawgsters produce with their "Holy Trinity" and their "Birder" lenses and can see mind numbing pix of grandkids, stray "wildlife", sunsets, auto shows, etc etc. Mostly stuff best done by phones. The long term trend seems to be, the bigger the gear, the duller the pix.

IOW its waaaaay too easy to see what you mean about lazy photography. Some folks collect cars, coins, baseball cards, tinfoil, or whatnot ... so why not collect zooms ? and boring snapshots ? Hobbies is a humongous big bidnez !
Lazy ?!?? Oh ... you must mean lazy of mind. Cant ... (show quote)


The bigger the gear the duller the pix? Tell that to all tje great spkrts and wildlife photographers.

No relationship between what you shoot with and whether or not a person is creative.

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Feb 3, 2024 04:12:06   #
User ID
 
RodeoMan wrote:
Primes are pretty handy for rangefinder film cameras.

Its not like theyre not at home on rf digital cameras, which is fortunate for future proofing your lens set. Even if you choose to roll over and die when film goes unavailable, your heirs will inherit lenses that are stilll marketable ;-)

Using several of those lenses on Z Nikons, Im sure Ive spent hundreds $$ on rf cams that I dont have any use for. Maybe the extra layer aids in the damping of the focus action.

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Feb 3, 2024 04:24:41   #
User ID
 
btbg wrote:
The bigger the gear the duller the pix? Tell that to all tje great spkrts and wildlife photographers.

No relationship between what you shoot with and whether or not a person is creative.

The bigger the gear the duller the pix. Its a rather definitive quotient, clearly observable throughout photography. Your denial of that hints that you lean toward the bigger gear.

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