TonyP Loc: New Zealand

Did anyone see this recent (Jan 10 2024) review in F Stoppers.

'Why Is ON1 Photo Raw 2024 and ON1 Photo RAW MAX a Fabulous Replacement for Lightroom Classic and Photoshop?'

Now, I'm just an amateur, using the basic tools in Photoshop Elements 2024. I recently upgraded from an older version as I wanted 'a bit more'. I used Lightroom some years ago before it was a subscription, but at my level of expertise, it wasn't worth me paying monthly so changed to Photoshop Elements.
Layers and Masks etc are way above my pay grade.

Recently ON1 seemed to get a bit controversial here on UHH which made me wary initially, but I'm now hooked. I downloaded the free version 2023.5 and I've 'played' with many of the features and at least now understand how Layers works. That's a major for me after so many years of gritting my teeth when anyone suggests using the feature, even in Elements, to do something.

Check out the F Stoppers article, if like me, you want to progress, even if it's with a bit of help from AI.
There are heaps of instructional videos on YouTube, I recommend the ones with Scott Kelby, but others are pretty good as well.

kpmac Loc: Ragley, La

I have been using On1 for about five years. It gets better with each update.

TonyP Loc: New Zealand

https://fstoppers.com/artificial-intelligence/why-on1-photo-raw-2024-and-on1-photo-raw-max-fabulous-replacement-lightroom-654392

Id heard of it but never even considered it.

47greyfox Loc: on the edge of the Colorado front range

I made the jump to ON1 PR in 2017 and have upgraded every year since. Honestly, every upgrade whether the annual or an interim have annoyed me for one reason or another. I often felt the release simply wasn’t ready for prime time and crashes were frequent. That is … until the 2024 version, which has been very stable and certainly a lot faster than previous versions. I’m not a fan of the ON1 videos because in my opinion, they only address the mechanics of editing and not why and the logic of tool selection.

Peteso Loc: Blacks Hills

I left Adobe four or five years ago and replaced it with ON1. Compared to my experience with Adobe, it's a no brainer; ON1 provides a better overall experience. While ON1 is not without its issues, I would rate it an 8 out of 10. Overall, I am very happy with the program, and it certainly improves with the annual releases. There are countless YouTube resources, many of which are very good. Scott Davenport also publishes an ON1 book that he updates regularly, which is available in PDF and bound formats. You can even hire Scott for one-on-one Zoom training sessions, which IMHO, is money well spent, particularly if your time is worth more than your money. Also, one other thing to consider... I am a Windows user, so many of the most significant problems I have had involve compatibility issues. There are both Windows and Apple versions of ON1, but ON1 is optimized for Apple. When I fully retire, I will probably switch to a high-end Windows laptop, because most of my computer use will be for photo processing, not business applications.

TonyP Loc: New Zealand

Interesting regarding the 'crashes'. I'm only playing with the programme at this stage with old RAW files. I open and select the file with Elements then select ON1 as the Editor. Sometimes It takes nearly a patient minute to find ON1 and then up pops the File and all is good after that. Then when I go to open another file and send that to ON1, sometimes it happens other times it seems to close ON1 down.
Ive got 32GB RAM so don't think that can be the problem.
I like the videos because I am interested in the mechanics of editing and what the tools actually can do, at this stage.

TonyP Loc: New Zealand

Aah. I use a Windows 10 computer. Maybe I'm experiencing the compatibility problem you mention.

Peteso Loc: Blacks Hills

If you are using ON1 v.2023 and your computer has a NVIDIA video card, that’s where I ran into the most serious issues. For that entire year, ON1 was almost entirely unusable, even after countless emails with tech-support. It was through those emails with tech-support that I found out that they “strongly recommend Apple.” To their credit, ON1 v.2024 is MUCH better, but can be intermittently dysfunctional, particularly when editing an image with several filters in the effects tab.

TonyP Loc: New Zealand

B.....r! Thanks for that. Yep I have a NVIDIA video card. Wonder if I can replace it? Tho its a pretty old Precision Dell 7520. Maybe not worth it. Doesn't qualify for Windows 11 either.
Maybe time for a change upwards

Drigby1 Loc: American Fork, UT

I own Photoshop Elements 2023, have upgraded versions for many years, will go to 2024 soon.
I also own ON1Photoshop Raw 2024. It has a great many things you can do with photographs.
I love them both.

Ednsb Loc: Santa Barbara

I moved from Lightroom 6 to On1 over ten years ago for a couple of reasons. Lightroom Classic 6 database was unstable causing corruptions way too often. They were recoverable but.. On1 lets your use both a browser (like Bridge and the new version of Lightroom (the cloud version that runs on the desktop) or a database (catalog). It also had layers, did a decent job of raw processing and a lot of other features. I teach Lightroom and Photoshop at the college level so that was a pretty big move for me. Each update (twice a year) has added features. Only one time did they do a release which was basically a beta. But they owned up to and quickly fixed it. So where are we at in 2024. On1 is still a great product with both the Data Asset Management , browser and lots of great features but… it doesn’t match up the masking in Lightroom Classic and Camera Raw and it is having a major problem with PhotoRaw images (apple’s DNG format for the 43MP images it can do now since iPhone 14). They are working on it but right now I am processing those images in Lightroom Classic by using On1 feature then processing the Lightroom Classic version in On1 for the effects etc. I hope they fix it soon. The masking isn’t a surprise since no other competitive product does masking as well as Lightroom Classic and Camera Raw. Right now I am in a huge project using Peakto to cull the over 500k images I’ve shot in the last 50 years to a subset for my family so that when I am gone they will have those images.

So On1 is definitely worth the price (you can get discounts by watching the various YouTube people like Jim Nix, Anthony Morganti and others. If I was starting out I would probably use Lightroom Classic but with plugins to On1.

TonyP Loc: New Zealand

Thanks Drigby1 and EDnsb for your comments. Regretfully Im going to have to upgrade my computer to get the full benefit of a seamless use of ON1.
So will be a little while before that happens. In the meantime tho am going to go ahead and practice, watch instructional videos etc before I perhaps forget what Ive already learned.
Cheers