Timmers Loc: San Antonio Texas.

I've noticed that there has been a reduction in activity on the forums in general and some reduction in the nude forum especially. Who knows the why and ware fore of this but I have observed that in the nude forum there appears to be a particular occurrence. Most of the posts are, shale I say, rather pedestrian in there presentation. The majority are like most of what one finds on the now Model Mayhem profiles. Loads of technically correct and most are the usual cookie cutter versions of work produced from twenty or even thirty years ago.

Have any of these workers looked at images by that photon siren Bettie Page. I'm not speaking to the catatonic works by Bunny Yeager (large yawn). I'm speaking to the men (and women) of the main stay of photographic history in this county The Camera Club. What at the turn of the century was a movement called Pictorialism and their opposition, the West Coast School championed by the F64 Group. The quagmire of our demise is to not understand the history that was of our past and, the NOW of modern nude photography (I choose the term 'nude' to avoid the stigma of terms like 'figure' photography).

If you like and know your history of photography, and history of industrialization that of the cottage industry and the infamous Luddites***. That of the craft industry, the oppositional place between high art and hobbyist, crafts. In his ground braking original thinking and incorporated into his own perspective of what is art, Duchamp confronts the issue and resolves to dismiss all notions that there exists separate categories for high art and craft arts. His Apollinaire Enameled is an excellent example of this strategy.

This then helps to dismiss the notions of their being a high and low position for the nude in our art. It is all the same and must be viewed for it's own value by content and intent. This brings one to the place where 'girls on parade' is not automatically removed from a category we can regard as admirable. What it does do is to direct one to regard the validity of an image as having something of value beyond a female person with out clothes.

*Apolinère Enameled - Wikipedia
**https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Guillaume_Apollinaire
***Who Were the Luddites? | HISTORY

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Apollinaire Enameled, by Artist Marcel Duchamp, 1916-17.

ImageCreator Loc: Northern California

While I enjoy viewing a nude woman I have noticed the nude forum is boring. Lots of repeat posters with little imagination. Several models should reconsider posing nude as they are not very photogenic with or without clothing.

kpmac Loc: Ragley, La

I agree.

dpullum Loc: Tampa Florida

Yes, ladies at play, a tad of humor vs passion. The softness of women is a pleasure to the fingers and eye. In grad school for Chemistry and Physics, I hung out with the Art Department people, they were real people. I was invited to attend a figure drawing lab... much more educational and maturing than a chem lab.

Going back to the small Michigan town of my origin, the views of my high school buddies were still in the 7th grade. Weeks of sketching nude female models changed me, they were not objects of lust, but rather beauty form.

I read the reference and on the side was the birth of cubism the straight lines appear to be a drawing aid... "Jean Metzinger, 1911, Étude pour le portrait de Guillaume Apollinaire, graphite on paper,"

riderxlx Loc: DFW area Texas

Well guys, I can’t criticize anything because I have nothing to post in this topic section because I have no access to models to photograph nudes and I haven’t made an effort to try but I do appreciate those who do Post here and I just enjoy what is offered.
Bruce

jaymatt Loc: Alexandria, Indiana

I could comment about your first two photos, but I shall not.

MontanaTrace

I miss my college days in the dorm. Especially, after the camera was put away.

Timmers Loc: San Antonio Texas.

So Bruce! You do visit the forums! I knew it, its the girly 'flesh' that draws your return. The simple formula, want visits to your web spot, bring in the views with women and the boys will always stop by! That is why the hostess is always more the center of a party than the boy.

Nice to 'see' you my friend!

Timmers Loc: San Antonio Texas.

Yes! I knew it, the man is an existentialist in the style of Jean Paul Sartre, "fear and loathing".

Timmers Loc: San Antonio Texas.

My experience was Mary from the school of business but with like experience. She was always going to art events and wanting to be around the arts. One day she asked me if I would like her to model for me as a figure model, I was thrilled.

During our session she asked me why I and a few others liked to have her model nude, was it that men just wanted to see nude women? I confirmed what she was saying yet if the men, or woman had any education, ay sensitivity at all they could easily understand that she was the classic earth goddess incorporated in the living form. I decided to put us on a break and we had some light snack as I opened books with images and explained (this was before home computers and the internet that places visual and written knowledge at our finger tips).

I explained to Mary why she had been gifted one of the most beautiful and natural alluring forms (body) that could be, hers was the image of fertility across the history f human kind. Showing her photographs of small fetish like votive sculpture from the Neolithic era, and the time of Neanderthals was illuminating for her. Then more modern works like the woman of one thousand breasts and what and how it figured into ideas of the female universal form and the drive toward desire.

Apparently, here was a lovely, no beautiful woman being 'educated' at a university and no were was anyone helping her to understand her worth as an empowered human just because she had been gifted with an incredible body as form. So much for higher education. I watched her light up, she saw the incredible beauty that she had and was in a social context. She told me that she had never 'seen' herself like that before, had always though that she was just a fat girl. I could not help it, I agreed with her, I said directly to her that of course she was FAT, huge in fact, that was her body and to think that her mother had the good sense to name her the Roman Catholic name of Mary , what better name for the universal female as a Hispanic in the Catholic culture. Then I told her that she had that reputation among the university students as a vary sexual undergraduate woman, and how could it be otherwise as she was the personification of the earth mother goddess. She was in fact visually a living fetish. Mary loved it all, she found her comfortable niche.

After that we went back to work and I made this image as an homage to Mary, Earth Mother Goddess and fetish.

Mary Head, Earth mother goddess and fetish object.

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coolhanduke Loc: Redondo Beach, CA

Hmmm.

riderxlx Loc: DFW area Texas

Damn Tim, she in nice, NOT FAT, this is a stupid thing girls bought into like men think they need to have a big dick. It was good that you encouraged her to be herself and be comfortable with herself.
Well that is my nickel for the day.
bruce.

riderxlx Loc: DFW area Texas

He commented by saying no comment ? Uh hu.
b.

riderxlx Loc: DFW area Texas

Hell yea Tim, that is what I said. I read the forum every morning. Who tha hell you think this is ? the Pope !
I hit this noodie topic section first then browse the chit-chat, I will stop in on other topics if there is something of interest to me of if I am needing help with something or if I can contribute to a post.
Look dude, women are blessed gifts to men and we are to them. They are lovely and should be appreciated.
Now me, I am not a pervert who sits alone masturbating over noodies, I am a man who appreciates the lovely artistic and beauty of our counterparts in this life. Where would we be with out each other huh ?
Keep on keep'n real bro,
Sir Broose tha loose.

Timmers Loc: San Antonio Texas.

How could it be otherwise with a man who knows the value of a Hawaiian Shirt! Sty real!